"His unique and mysterious life made him an ideal candidate to tell an Assassin's Creed story with the setting of Feudal Japan as a backdrop."
Ideal candidate? Perhaps it is for those looking to score ESG points/funds. Not so much for those looking to play as, get this, someone native to the actual setting.
Could have used Son Wukong (aka Goku lol) and had it been a twist reveal early on. Boom, you’ve got your fusion of history and fantasy. Just like the Greek and Egypt games you know it’s just gunna include a series of random boss fights against mythical monsters, would have atleast made some kind of sense at that point. At least, more than “we wuz buddhist immortals” or whatever they end up going with
I thought that character was Chinese, though. Obviously it's spread beyond China and is in Japanese pop culture as well—Goku, as you point out, and others I'm sure—but I don't think it would be appropriate as a semi-historical thing specifically confined to Japan. It would be better to use Susanoo for something like that, wouldn't it?
You’re totally right that the story was first written down in China, but I would say a few things to justify using the character/story
-one can readily understand it more as a taoist or buddhist story, and not explicitly a “Chinese story”
-when does appropriation become adoption? Let’s assume the concept of cultural appropriation is even valid (I don’t think so but in a way your point includes that assumption). Hasn’t, like Lady Liberty (from France’s Liberté, or the “common ancestor” of both, Rome’s LIBERTAS), the Monkey King successfully bridged the gap between two (or more) nations?
-I think that, when considering their common origin (Chinese and Japanese that is, and Asians more broadly)cultural overlap ceases to be problematic in any way, though I obviously only speak for myself with that, retarded misdirections of Nationalism seem to be part and parcel with Asia
It would be better to use Susanoo for something like that, wouldn't it?
-Who? (Just kidding [not really, that’s actually my point with this bit])
It's a very Chinese story cause of the element of the heavens in it. It's pretty much Chinese heaven, including the weird inclusion of Buddha
But if anyone doesn't know, wukong goes up to serve the jade emperor which is distinctively a Chinese belief and serve as horse guard. He also steals the empress peaches which again is another Chinese element and iirc the reason for his immortality as the peaches are for the celestial. He also fights er lang shen a Chinese deity
You can talk all you want about cross cultural ideas and relative genetic closeness and such, but I assure you, the Japanese and the Chinese are distinct and do see each other as distinct. To put it in a different analogy, I wouldn’t expect a story set in the Norman invasion of 1066 to star D’artagnan, and if it did—without a huge part of the plot being devoted to why and how—I’d assume someone fucked up.
Name a single Japanese folk hero or historical figure who could possibly have been a better candidate for a game about assassins than a huge hulking black man.
They deserve push back on this. So sick of this diversity, black people in everything that they were never apart of constant push.
Plus these are people that crumble if you call them a wrong pronoun, and will call you a racist, bigot, and then turn around and justify putting a black guy in a game that takes place in a country who's 99% Japanese while trying to circle jerk about how they do their best to make mostly accurate games.
This is telling me the pre-orders AREN'T as good as they've been trying to say and having the entire country of Japan now at a government level tell you to fuck off might be the reason they're trying to backpeddle.
At this point Ubisoft should just follow the advice we were given ten years ago and simply change the name.
We didn't follow that advice because we're the bad guys but they should change the game's name and show that they are the good guys for doing so.
I'm thinking Assassin's Creed: Johnny Somali
Colonising Japan's history is right up there with any Marxist dogma and I look forward to Ubisoft's next AC game where they have a black KKK go and take out the suffragettes in Themyscira (For fun and fiction reasons which might inspire people to look into all the themes explored).
But if that development team are to be believed (Believe them all!) I foresee them not understanding that using Tipp-Ex on the screen doesn't translate into what goes into the coding, story or marketing materials required for this game not to stink.
There was no black samurai, and ''Yasuke'' was not one, unless unambiguously proven otherwise. Which won't happened, because the evidence is that he was not.
The discussion is why you felt the need to insult a nation with your repeated hubris.
The debate is whether or not Japan is going to bring the hammer down on you for the level of disrespect you've shown them so much that the government is now involved.
It’s nice to see Japan standing up. The one time they’re making a period piece game in Japan, and it’s a big black guy presumably murdering them and then fucking their women. And apparently their men since they said you can gay romance. Because that’s what people want in a game about assassins: Being able to initiate gay butt sex.
They just released a 10 minute trailer of finalized Star Wars Outlaws gameplay through IGN and it looks like absolute SHIT. It is getting destroyed by viewers. It's definitely going to bomb. With that writing on the wall, they're panicking.
Did they say it in Japanese aswell, and spelled it correctly? Haha, still it is good to see that the backlash reached this far, but it is not good enough, hope it flops completely to ensure that the message reach the shareholders.
Clown World edited Wikipedia with lies to sell the Yasuke narrative, put out propaganda hit pieces, called us "bigots," and when none of that worked, only now do they hide behind "it's just just fiction, guyz!"
The top tier being $130-170 or something as I recall probably didn’t help, either. And the fact that Ubisoft always discounts their games to $20 pretty quickly. If they liked their fans it’d be a preorder DISCOUNT.
When Japan is looking at you on a potential legal/Diet (their governmental legislature) level, you know you are fucked. Eat your bug shit cake and fuck off UTI-Soft.
Please please please don't be mean to Sweet Baby Inc, they dindu nuffin!!! There we said it, will you stop threatening to destroy our company Miss SBI?"
Yeah, fuck off. You tried to claim he was a legitimate samurai. Stop putting blacks in everything. They never made shit, except more crime.
The best black people are the ones who leave the criminal culture and stupidity behind.
Man, you're mad you're getting cucked by Jamal. Maybe if you had any balls at all your wife wouldn't have needed someone else.
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"His unique and mysterious life made him an ideal candidate to tell an Assassin's Creed story with the setting of Feudal Japan as a backdrop."
Ideal candidate? Perhaps it is for those looking to score ESG points/funds. Not so much for those looking to play as, get this, someone native to the actual setting.
I'm glad they're getting push back on this.
They could have just had a random dude
Could have used Son Wukong (aka Goku lol) and had it been a twist reveal early on. Boom, you’ve got your fusion of history and fantasy. Just like the Greek and Egypt games you know it’s just gunna include a series of random boss fights against mythical monsters, would have atleast made some kind of sense at that point. At least, more than “we wuz buddhist immortals” or whatever they end up going with
I thought that character was Chinese, though. Obviously it's spread beyond China and is in Japanese pop culture as well—Goku, as you point out, and others I'm sure—but I don't think it would be appropriate as a semi-historical thing specifically confined to Japan. It would be better to use Susanoo for something like that, wouldn't it?
You’re totally right that the story was first written down in China, but I would say a few things to justify using the character/story
-one can readily understand it more as a taoist or buddhist story, and not explicitly a “Chinese story”
-when does appropriation become adoption? Let’s assume the concept of cultural appropriation is even valid (I don’t think so but in a way your point includes that assumption). Hasn’t, like Lady Liberty (from France’s Liberté, or the “common ancestor” of both, Rome’s LIBERTAS), the Monkey King successfully bridged the gap between two (or more) nations?
-I think that, when considering their common origin (Chinese and Japanese that is, and Asians more broadly)cultural overlap ceases to be problematic in any way, though I obviously only speak for myself with that, retarded misdirections of Nationalism seem to be part and parcel with Asia
-Who? (Just kidding [not really, that’s actually my point with this bit])
It's a very Chinese story cause of the element of the heavens in it. It's pretty much Chinese heaven, including the weird inclusion of Buddha
But if anyone doesn't know, wukong goes up to serve the jade emperor which is distinctively a Chinese belief and serve as horse guard. He also steals the empress peaches which again is another Chinese element and iirc the reason for his immortality as the peaches are for the celestial. He also fights er lang shen a Chinese deity
You can talk all you want about cross cultural ideas and relative genetic closeness and such, but I assure you, the Japanese and the Chinese are distinct and do see each other as distinct. To put it in a different analogy, I wouldn’t expect a story set in the Norman invasion of 1066 to star D’artagnan, and if it did—without a huge part of the plot being devoted to why and how—I’d assume someone fucked up.
That’d have been epic.
Name a single Japanese folk hero or historical figure who could possibly have been a better candidate for a game about assassins than a huge hulking black man.
I realize this is sarcasm, but Ishikawa Goemon.
They deserve push back on this. So sick of this diversity, black people in everything that they were never apart of constant push.
Plus these are people that crumble if you call them a wrong pronoun, and will call you a racist, bigot, and then turn around and justify putting a black guy in a game that takes place in a country who's 99% Japanese while trying to circle jerk about how they do their best to make mostly accurate games.
Ubisoft currently
This is telling me the pre-orders AREN'T as good as they've been trying to say and having the entire country of Japan now at a government level tell you to fuck off might be the reason they're trying to backpeddle.
At this point Ubisoft should just follow the advice we were given ten years ago and simply change the name.
We didn't follow that advice because we're the bad guys but they should change the game's name and show that they are the good guys for doing so.
I'm thinking Assassin's Creed: Johnny Somali
Colonising Japan's history is right up there with any Marxist dogma and I look forward to Ubisoft's next AC game where they have a black KKK go and take out the suffragettes in Themyscira (For fun and fiction reasons which might inspire people to look into all the themes explored).
But if that development team are to be believed (Believe them all!) I foresee them not understanding that using Tipp-Ex on the screen doesn't translate into what goes into the coding, story or marketing materials required for this game not to stink.
It's not a ''matter of debate and discussion''.
There was no black samurai, and ''Yasuke'' was not one, unless unambiguously proven otherwise. Which won't happened, because the evidence is that he was not.
Honestly it seems likely there wasn’t a Yakuke to begin with
"It's a matter of discussion and debate"
I agree.
The discussion is why you felt the need to insult a nation with your repeated hubris.
The debate is whether or not Japan is going to bring the hammer down on you for the level of disrespect you've shown them so much that the government is now involved.
It’s nice to see Japan standing up. The one time they’re making a period piece game in Japan, and it’s a big black guy presumably murdering them and then fucking their women. And apparently their men since they said you can gay romance. Because that’s what people want in a game about assassins: Being able to initiate gay butt sex.
It's been a little while since "it started a conversation" was tossed up as an excuse.
Not sure why trolls never latched onto that one. It's a great excuse for intentionally trolling and stirring up shit.
DMG control. I assume their AAAA game, Skull and Bones was an epic disaster?
What else did they release recently? Prince of Persia without the prince and Mirage? I assume neither of those outperformed.
They just released a 10 minute trailer of finalized Star Wars Outlaws gameplay through IGN and it looks like absolute SHIT. It is getting destroyed by viewers. It's definitely going to bomb. With that writing on the wall, they're panicking.
Did they say it in Japanese aswell, and spelled it correctly? Haha, still it is good to see that the backlash reached this far, but it is not good enough, hope it flops completely to ensure that the message reach the shareholders.
Ubisoft has this, and Star Wars Outlaws coming out this year. If even one of those flops they are in trouble. And both games look like absolute ass.
Ac japan also posted something but I didn't check if it was a one to one translation
Their best bet is have all their consultants commit seppeku and then do it themselves
Do it to their consultants then do it to any employee that agrees with DEI.
IN MINECRAFT.
Clown World edited Wikipedia with lies to sell the Yasuke narrative, put out propaganda hit pieces, called us "bigots," and when none of that worked, only now do they hide behind "it's just just fiction, guyz!"
FUCK OFF.
I'm guessing they're seeing all their pre-orders melt away and are panicking.
The top tier being $130-170 or something as I recall probably didn’t help, either. And the fact that Ubisoft always discounts their games to $20 pretty quickly. If they liked their fans it’d be a preorder DISCOUNT.
When Japan is looking at you on a potential legal/Diet (their governmental legislature) level, you know you are fucked. Eat your bug shit cake and fuck off UTI-Soft.
when you go black, your stocks don't go back?
Go right to Hell where you belong.
Does anyone find it funny that if they wanted to apologize to the Japanese the fucking FIRST post should be in Japanese first?
I wonder how bad the Japanese is in the followup post. Did they have it "localized" lol
Slippery shits
The person that greenlit the concept needs to be fired (as well as plenty of other people).
No interest in this game, but what's going on and how it shed some light on a fake ass "history book" is funny.