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You see, I never got the push for Harley Quinn, why is she apparently SO popular? If I was into any woman in that universe, probably be Raven...
The writing is so flat with this current day bs that it's comes off hollow. Meanwhile I'm reading my 100th Isekai like story and STILL entertained because they keep trying new angles and directions.
Harley Quinn’s evolution tracks pretty well with the leftist incursion in media.
She started off extremely hot and crazy, which made her a popular villain with core comic fans - you know, straight dudes.
She was targeted by leftists precisely because she was hot and popular. They gradually started to desexualize the character, and then they flipped her to a hero - because women can’t be true villains.
Problem is she has no actual skills, powers, or assets as a hero. As a criminal, she was crazy and eager to break the law, which is basically all you need to be a criminal. As a hero, her primary attributes mean nothing. So they had to arbitrarily pump up her skill set and capabilities. Now she’s a typical girl boss - expert martial artist, trained in all weaponry, etc.
Final step: make her a mouthpiece for leftist ideology. First as a generic feminist power fantasy, then as a recipient of leftist lectures by characters with even more important identities.
You forgot that now they push her as a lesbian power-fantasy too... everywhere.
I attempt to avoid media that contains her, but now anytime I come across clips of games/shows/media of her interacting with another female, like Wonder Woman, there's always some comment about her lesbianism now.
It goes hard with the whole "Joker mistreated you, so now you'll live a better life with another woman". So it gave the rainbow cult yet someone else to overexpose in the media.
I forget but in the injustice games, didn't she join and get trained by Batman after Joker's death? That at least makes sense then.
Yeah it's annoying she became the talking piece for the left, hell Batman Beyond did a better conclusion to her story than any modern stuff
I'm not so sure
She fills a particular character niche and there not really any other character that does that, both in design and in her breed of insanity. And the internet went wild for 'mime/clown-ussy' the other year with that ace atorney clown and derpixion smut animation.
The joker himself surged in popularity too, both with the original nolan Batman, and with the joker film. Rising tide, Harley is going to get more popular too. And the batman cartoons and games the last decade or so have had some bangers. So I do think there's a nugget of truth to her popularity being organic, at least originally.
They saw that and attempted to subvert it, and its now an inorganic push, sure. But I do see how she originally was somewhat popular.
She was absolutely popular on her own for a long time.
Then they noticed she was popular, circa Arkham Asylum costume Harley, and tried to take advantage of that. Which meant scrubbing her of anything anyone liked about her and constantly shoving her in everyone's face until even her fans hated her.
The old animated series. That's it really, just the lingering sense of when the character was created and actually interesting.
The proverbial they seized her as a girl power trope, but when she was created she was actually a female simp.
In the old animation, it actually looked like she was more Stockholm syndrome confused as love and actually might go with Batman over the Joker eventually.
Think there was a comic based on that, White Knight?
Ehhh I dunno about that. That was the era where Catwoman was the front and center love interest, with Ivy making the podium as well.
I vaguely remember some chick reporter as a blatant allegory to Lois Lane, but given that I can't even remember her name I doubt it mattered.
Harley has numerous moments in TAS where she clearly is at least interested in Batman AND Bruce Wayne on at least a basic level.
He doesn't even entertain the idea for a second so she was never in the running, but it also made her come across more as a broken girl with that tiny remnant of a normal one still in her somewhere.
Catwoman/Batman is the main love match but the 4th contender seemed to be Harley after Barbara Gordon and Talia.
Of course this is going of the older animations/ animated films I watched, got no clue nowadays.
Nah, as Kaarous mentioned, even Ivy came up closer than Harley. Harley had some interest in Batman -- or rather, Harley seemed a bit man crazy for anyone she found interesting.
Batman showed interest first and foremost in Catwoman, then Talia, and then Ivy. He treated Barbara more like a surrogate daughter, and Harley like the crazy nympho you keep at arms length.
She was a character invented for the batman animated series show in the 90s.
And it's well liked by most, and beloved by some, so she must be paraded around and destroyed.
I think it's a combination of things that make her a safe choice for Hollywood producers. For one, the globally recognized IP (Batman) and her connection to one of the famous characters. Then there's a variety of ways to write the character that are or have been pretty popular: manic pixie girl, stonk wahman, mind- or heart-broken ex, crazy or obsessed girlfriend. Sex appeal is somewhat optional, unlike with Catwoman or Poison Ivy. Combined with the present "demand" for female action movies, she and Wonder Woman are apparently the most that DC can provide.
I saw this a few months back. Sad this garbage has poisoned comic book. And of course these vague issues are never “solved” according to the hack writer because not praising endlessly everything a gay person does is homophobia or not celebrating when black criminals get state funerals is systemic racism to them
Why solve them? If they are solved "solved" then you can't keep using them for grifting and bludgeoning people. And then not only does a lot of the political power and income evaporate, but then you need to find a real job as well.
Great point
The art is horrible. The black dudes proportions are all off. Like why is his right arm so tiny and he's not walking, he's just standing with his legs apart
This is old, though.
And why are there two reposts here now on the same day?
No, I really didn't wonder that, because I already knew.