This commentary is about DOA5, and unfortunately, while that game was quite sexy and had tits and bikinis everywhere, that was not the end of this tale.
I watched this happen in realtime. It wasn't just 'suits' it was tournament organizers and the punditry of the fighting game scene itself.
The director of Dead or Alive used to show up personally at western events where the game was being played. He'd enthusiastically promote the game and do everything he could to grease the wheels of it getting stream time. He would beam in pride and genuine delight in the corner watching guys playing the game. This was in the era of Nintendo garroting anyone who dared stream Smash, so it was notable, appreciated, and welcome.
But, he was also there in several events where bikini costumes were banned. "Vanilla costumes only" was the constant refrain from streamers, TOs, and the puritan sycophants who like to lick boot and ass for brownie points. SRK (a popular opinion site at the time for the scene) published a series of tournament rules for eeeeeveryone to follow that banned any skimpy costumes in any game, but specifically targeted DOA as the example they meant. All this because they wanted ESPORTS legitimacy and "it was cringe anyway."
He was obviously impacted by this direct backlash to his game and he stopped showing up to community events after a while. I expected him to be sad about it and stop prioritizing the west due to his hurt feelings, but the far worse thing happened. He took the advice and tried to do the next game differently.
DOA6 was heavily de-sexed, and instead violence was emphasized. Characters bruised and bled for the first time in the series. Something the creator had famously said would never ever be done, because he thought of the girls as his daughters and they were meant to be pretty and happy, not sad and damaged.
It was clear that this was him capitulating his own values to make something he thought the West wanted. DOA5 was just one battle, and we can see where the series went after. So rather than celebrating this interview, it just makes me more sad.
I wonder how Japanese otaku are taking this. I doubt they are happy with foreigners influencing their games and media like this. Maybe they'll become more politically active .
Also the dev is a coward who cant stick to his own views and throws people that did support him, under the bus, to please some woke foreigners.
They need to learn that it is because of western influences. Look at the localiser shit: Japanese fans were outraged, we had this stuff for years and knew it yet it only got viral recently. It needs to be stated, preferably in their language what is going on.
he thought of the girls as his daughters and they were meant to be pretty and happy, not sad and damaged.
Wasn't that Itagaki? He left after DOA4 and DOAX2. Shimbori was a prominent part of DOA5 and the main lead for DOA6, which introduced the ultimates and "cool" gore. I wouldn't be surprised if Shimbori said it though, was a decent guy even if mislead by bad actors.
The unmentioned "core values" Evo controversy isn't even worth getting into. The scene acts so hypocritcal when it comes to DOA vs. other franchises.
Anyway, it's such a waste for the series to go down the drain; beautiful aesthetics and fun and fluid action, which moving forward may very well be solely delegated to far more profitable gacha (DOAX VV).
You're probably right on that point. Shimbori likely doesn't feel the same connection to the characters as Itagaki did, but I recall a mention specifically of battle damage in the past as a complete no-go for those reasons. I'm just unsure of the circumstances and who said it now.
I considered mentioning "core values" but that's just a separate hypocrisy unrelated to any actual effect on the franchise design (so far) since it was over DOA6. You're indeed right in calling the "scene" trash, though. I agree completely.
chasing eSports was always a mistake and anyone advocating for fitting into someone else's mold like that rather than forging one's own mold is a fool or an enemy.
Give me sexy women in my games and turn it up to 11.
it was popular BECAUSE it was Japanese and made with Japanese sensibilities , not because it was changed to suit foreign people . Have some common sense and stop trying to change things to suit foreigners you faggots.
Also haven't the western fans of the series always told the devs not to tone it down? I remember the fans imported the Asian version of the volleyball game in droves specifically to show support for the devs' lack of censorship
DOA is the most famous of the fighting games for being "all fanservice and jiggle." They screwed themselves when they tried to become a serious Esport capable game that was played by serious people and now they will forever reap that whirlwind of letting those opinions in.
They should have taken notes from Soul Calibur, which did much the same with its 5th game only to basically kill the series. 6 was a mass return to form, but it was basically too late to pull it back from near death.
And even worse, once you've shown you will even consider things like DOA did (more stripped content, more DLC, more censorship, sucking up to people who hate your fans) it doesn't matter if you change your mind. Your reputation and word are stained.
The aggressive monetization and the fact that content was stripped out, like tag team mode, played bigger roles in tanking the game. DOA5 initially went down the same “no, really, this is a serious fighting game” route but managed to succeed despite that.
I think doa should step away from fighting genre. Its way too niche for them to make money. Gaurantee, their major money maker atm is doa venus vacation, that volley ball gacha game.
They can do rpg like final fantasy or even back to ninja gaiden. Or maybe a overwatch type game or just straight up porn game. All those faggots that keep saying doa is porn.. yeah. Show them what porn really is lol.
yeah. its obvious the fighting game scene is full of pedos and trannies. Like the CEO of EVO fighting championships.. adamant in keeping out DOA because its too skimpy. but turns out he was molesting 15 year old boys.
yeah an action adventure game where you can build your own party of girls or boys or mixture of both. i mean.. koei techmo makes B tier action adventure games already for other studio like final fantasy stranger of paradise and some chinese lore games like Wo Long.
anyways, yeah.. a good game (doesnt matter what genre) that has some minor dating elements.
This is one of many reasons why I'm actually kind of okay with some of my favorite fighting game series being stuck in the past.
Rival Schools, Star Gladiator, Fighter's Megamix, Darkstalkers, Bloody Roar, etc. They were all created before the puritans installed themselves as moral arbiters.
I couldn't imagine those games being released today and not get by the censors who hate anything conventionally attractive because of the male gaze. Instead they'll give us nearly naked guys, because of the male gays.
Unlike Western companies, Japanese companies don't yet have invincible troons who say "lol fuck off faggot" when we make righteous complaints, so sending them polite emails actually works some of the time.
This commentary is about DOA5, and unfortunately, while that game was quite sexy and had tits and bikinis everywhere, that was not the end of this tale.
I watched this happen in realtime. It wasn't just 'suits' it was tournament organizers and the punditry of the fighting game scene itself.
The director of Dead or Alive used to show up personally at western events where the game was being played. He'd enthusiastically promote the game and do everything he could to grease the wheels of it getting stream time. He would beam in pride and genuine delight in the corner watching guys playing the game. This was in the era of Nintendo garroting anyone who dared stream Smash, so it was notable, appreciated, and welcome.
But, he was also there in several events where bikini costumes were banned. "Vanilla costumes only" was the constant refrain from streamers, TOs, and the puritan sycophants who like to lick boot and ass for brownie points. SRK (a popular opinion site at the time for the scene) published a series of tournament rules for eeeeeveryone to follow that banned any skimpy costumes in any game, but specifically targeted DOA as the example they meant. All this because they wanted ESPORTS legitimacy and "it was cringe anyway."
He was obviously impacted by this direct backlash to his game and he stopped showing up to community events after a while. I expected him to be sad about it and stop prioritizing the west due to his hurt feelings, but the far worse thing happened. He took the advice and tried to do the next game differently.
DOA6 was heavily de-sexed, and instead violence was emphasized. Characters bruised and bled for the first time in the series. Something the creator had famously said would never ever be done, because he thought of the girls as his daughters and they were meant to be pretty and happy, not sad and damaged.
It was clear that this was him capitulating his own values to make something he thought the West wanted. DOA5 was just one battle, and we can see where the series went after. So rather than celebrating this interview, it just makes me more sad.
I wonder how Japanese otaku are taking this. I doubt they are happy with foreigners influencing their games and media like this. Maybe they'll become more politically active .
Also the dev is a coward who cant stick to his own views and throws people that did support him, under the bus, to please some woke foreigners.
They need to learn that it is because of western influences. Look at the localiser shit: Japanese fans were outraged, we had this stuff for years and knew it yet it only got viral recently. It needs to be stated, preferably in their language what is going on.
Well now I'm glad SRK went under.
Wasn't that Itagaki? He left after DOA4 and DOAX2. Shimbori was a prominent part of DOA5 and the main lead for DOA6, which introduced the ultimates and "cool" gore. I wouldn't be surprised if Shimbori said it though, was a decent guy even if mislead by bad actors.
The unmentioned "core values" Evo controversy isn't even worth getting into. The scene acts so hypocritcal when it comes to DOA vs. other franchises.
Anyway, it's such a waste for the series to go down the drain; beautiful aesthetics and fun and fluid action, which moving forward may very well be solely delegated to far more profitable gacha (DOAX VV).
You're probably right on that point. Shimbori likely doesn't feel the same connection to the characters as Itagaki did, but I recall a mention specifically of battle damage in the past as a complete no-go for those reasons. I'm just unsure of the circumstances and who said it now.
I considered mentioning "core values" but that's just a separate hypocrisy unrelated to any actual effect on the franchise design (so far) since it was over DOA6. You're indeed right in calling the "scene" trash, though. I agree completely.
chasing eSports was always a mistake and anyone advocating for fitting into someone else's mold like that rather than forging one's own mold is a fool or an enemy.
Give me sexy women in my games and turn it up to 11.
Yeah but something something space for women
it was popular BECAUSE it was Japanese and made with Japanese sensibilities , not because it was changed to suit foreign people . Have some common sense and stop trying to change things to suit foreigners you faggots.
Also haven't the western fans of the series always told the devs not to tone it down? I remember the fans imported the Asian version of the volleyball game in droves specifically to show support for the devs' lack of censorship
Yeah, people begged for DoA Xtreme 3 to be released in the West, but it was explicitly cancelled because of censors here:
As for the "lack of censorship," that game even has a pole dance mechanism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS-nU62TK18
DOA is the most famous of the fighting games for being "all fanservice and jiggle." They screwed themselves when they tried to become a serious Esport capable game that was played by serious people and now they will forever reap that whirlwind of letting those opinions in.
They should have taken notes from Soul Calibur, which did much the same with its 5th game only to basically kill the series. 6 was a mass return to form, but it was basically too late to pull it back from near death.
And even worse, once you've shown you will even consider things like DOA did (more stripped content, more DLC, more censorship, sucking up to people who hate your fans) it doesn't matter if you change your mind. Your reputation and word are stained.
The aggressive monetization and the fact that content was stripped out, like tag team mode, played bigger roles in tanking the game. DOA5 initially went down the same “no, really, this is a serious fighting game” route but managed to succeed despite that.
DOA5's excessive paid wardrobe was at least NEW. DOA6 was literally charging the same money for the same fucking costume sets.
Conversely DOA6's support of an ala carte model was actually more fan friendly than microtransaction practices of other games.
I mean, Koei Tecmo is greedy as fuck - see the hair color change DLC as prime example - but their issue is that they were ahead of their time.
Other franchises in fighting games are as equally predatory (ex: recent "coins" saga), but are able to do it with far less of a PR disaster.
I think doa should step away from fighting genre. Its way too niche for them to make money. Gaurantee, their major money maker atm is doa venus vacation, that volley ball gacha game.
They can do rpg like final fantasy or even back to ninja gaiden. Or maybe a overwatch type game or just straight up porn game. All those faggots that keep saying doa is porn.. yeah. Show them what porn really is lol.
A DoA action adventure game would probably make some good money
yeah. its obvious the fighting game scene is full of pedos and trannies. Like the CEO of EVO fighting championships.. adamant in keeping out DOA because its too skimpy. but turns out he was molesting 15 year old boys.
yeah an action adventure game where you can build your own party of girls or boys or mixture of both. i mean.. koei techmo makes B tier action adventure games already for other studio like final fantasy stranger of paradise and some chinese lore games like Wo Long.
anyways, yeah.. a good game (doesnt matter what genre) that has some minor dating elements.
Good, hopefully foreign fans act as a vanguard to stop these parasites affecting their favourite Japanese media.
This is one of many reasons why I'm actually kind of okay with some of my favorite fighting game series being stuck in the past.
Rival Schools, Star Gladiator, Fighter's Megamix, Darkstalkers, Bloody Roar, etc. They were all created before the puritans installed themselves as moral arbiters.
I couldn't imagine those games being released today and not get by the censors who hate anything conventionally attractive because of the male gaze. Instead they'll give us nearly naked guys, because of the male gays.
I'd comment, but my favorite 3D fighting game is Soul Calibur, and the sexiest character is Voldo.
Astaroth is peak male physique and no one can convince me otherwise
He's otherworldly, which is why he needs to ax so many people.
He came here to find the Soul Edge and ax people (questions). And he’s just found the soul edge...
Astoroth: Crime Scene Investigation
Unlike Western companies, Japanese companies don't yet have invincible troons who say "lol fuck off faggot" when we make righteous complaints, so sending them polite emails actually works some of the time.
R/mendrawingwomen seething