People or a handful of nut jobs on social media? Granted, these mega corporations seem to think social media is an accurate measure of what actual fans want
A couple dozen trannies, a handful of liberal women, 150 bots. 1000 actual Zelda fans are arguing against them in the replies, causing the hash tag to trend. A Nintendo of America marketing bluehair will screencap the trending list to show management how popular the idea is.
Unlikely. The Mario movie was almost certainly set up to be a lot more woke and Nintendo clamped that shit down so hard all that's left is a single line of dialogue.
Especially as Zelda is the opposite of all their other IPs. Wherein the rest they won't make a new one unless it has a gimmick attached, Zelda just gets the formula everytime.
What are you talking about? The last two Zelda games were massive departures from the original formula, to the point that people are afraid we'll never get another Ocarina/LTTP styled Zelda again due to their success.
Pasting a generic open world and then basic bitch crafting on top of the same "go to X dungeons to awaken/empower a SPECIAL PERSON, then kill Ganon" (simplified, obviously) is not as massive departure as it seems. They just forced infinite padding in the form of durability and requiring you to grind out shrines for basic health upgrades that distracts from the same exact skeleton as always.
Like, the only major difference is you get all your items at the beginning of the game instead of inside the dungeons, but if you don't care go out looking for shrines it plays exactly like any other Zelda game. Seriously, mod in like 10 hearts to start with and the Master Sword for an unbreaking weapon and you can literally play it like OoT (but more boring because that padding got all their focus).
I played some of... whatever the first big open world Zelda was. I got bored so quickly.
Old school Zelda was well crafted, with creative dungeons that gave you new abilities, then used that new ability in each dungeon as part of the puzzle solution. The dungeons built on one another logically. Often that new ability also opened the path in s the world to the next dungeon. That newish one I played gave you all the abilities practically right away, then provided a mostly empty world with single room dungeons.
Darksiders did an excellent job mimicking that gameplay as well.
That's one of my big issues with Breath of the Wild (the one you played). Its full of those classic good Zelda moments, but they put a massive open field in between each one and removed any possible reward from it. Because money is useless and "a good weapon" is just them selling me the solution for a problem they caused. The dungeons suck because they took all the interesting dungeon ideas and cut them into one-off Shrines to give you something to do in the world.
Its shining proof of the "Nintendo bonus" because its a worse Assassin's Creed game without the one benefit Ubisoft open world gives, the autistic joy of completing a checklist. Because it tracks nothing, the rewards are mostly worthless, and it literally mocks you if you 100% it with a golden turd.
That she did the obstacle course on the first try. Which, despite the common narrative here, I don't think is really as bad as people want it to be. I took it as a joke she was fucking with him on.
Other way around. Social media is amplified to provide false justification to these decisions. The purpose of these decisions is to maintain the alliance with progs, who act as their middle managers and attack dogs, as long as their religion is inserted into everything.
Wont happen, but they can't say it wont happen either.
I think the woke stuff thats a given at this point is that Zelda will be a strong wahmen and theres most likely going to be diversity in form of race swaps or just depicting Hyrule as having the racial demographics of Harlem.
The overton window has moved so much that the anti SJW community will think its "based" when the Zelda move doesn't have a trans Zelda, all while retaining other woke stuff. Just like the Mario movie being uplifted as "based" even though Peaches entire character felt like it was created by Anita Sarkeesian.
What's funny is that having Zelda be an actual strong woman has been one of the biggest desires of the fanbase for years. With her pathetic portrayal in the Breath/Tears games being one of her lowest and most easily mocked points.
Shit its why Tetra is the only version of Zelda anyone actually ever liked outside coom reasons. Same with Midna who filled the role of "Princess" for the majority of the game in a game where Zelda is basically nonexistent.
So what has plagued the series for so long, and what will probably protect this movie, is Nintendo's absolute terror at ever remotely straying from the formula for a Zelda game. They only did Breath 10 years after Open World games figured it all out for them and it still feels like the same Zelda game but with Shrines instead of Skultulas and forced padding called "durability."
Zelda has always been a supportive character, even when she took a more active role in it. She represents femininity in both her demure appearance and nurturing behavior. Link and Ganon represent two forms of masculinity, with one using strength to achieve power while the other using it for nobility.
Post modernists hate femininity, and when they cry out for Zelda to not be a damsel, what they really mean is that they want her to be less feminine in both appearance and personality. They want her to be someone like Aloy from the Horizon games or Ellie/Abby in TLOU2, just a boring as dish water lesbian whos sole purpose is to just exist to challenge "patriarchal norms".
This subversion/deconstruction has plagued media for so long, that even a simple hero saving the princess story is now seen as fresh again. I think this is one of the reasons why BOTW/TOTK succeeded so much despite there being even more of an outcry from the vocal minority to make Zelda the main character.
I don't think Nintendo will have creative control over the Zelda movie, they're mostly just producing it while only consulting with stuff like the lore. Just look at the godawful cartoon from the early 90's where Zelda is a frigid bitch and Link is a sleazy idiot who stumbles his way to victory, now just imagine what modern western entertainment will do to Zelda. They already made Mario an idiot, Luigi the damsel, and Peach being the mary sue who has to show Mario the ropes while later rescuing herself.
Also I hope nobody is cooming to Tetra considering shes only like 10.
She represents femininity in both her demure appearance and nurturing behavior. Link and Ganon represent two forms of masculinity, with one using strength to achieve power while the other using it for nobility.
She is also the holder of the literal god power of Wisdom, which is what she is supposed to represent more than anything else. Despite this, her entire history has been constant and chronic retardation and idiocy on a level that, while normal for a damsel princess, rejects the very notion of any Wisdom.
Strong doesn't have to mean literally physically capable. It can in fact just be smart enough to not fall for the obvious traps of the guy who is supposed to represent Meatheadedness and his army of braindead minions. Strong of mind, to contrast Link's strong of heart and Ganon's strong of body.
Peach from Paper Mario 64 (and TYD) was captured nearly the entire game, yet still managed to both work her own angle and assist you from her cage while still needing to be rescued. Heck even Tetra was more than capable until she became Zelda in her mainline game.
There is a far gulf between "make her the real hero badass" like Twitter wants and "make her a useless idiot who sits in the background waiting for help everytime" like she keeps ending up. But, since most people kneejerk react to those Twitter people and feel the need to 180 whatever they say, we are now going to be stuck with people claiming the latter as their genuine opinion.
What? How was she presented as retarded? She still helped out a ton, its just that she doesn't possess the strength to fight back. In Zelda 1 she destroyed the triforce of wisdom and scattered it across eight dungeons to prevent Ganon from finding it, all while sending Impa to guide Link into finding them.
Ganon is also not a "meathead", he was a thief who ascended the throne while leading an army of monsters, all while managing to obtain the Triforce of power. Hyrules armies all fell before him, and even Link with the Triforce of courage and the master sword still needed some support to put him down, so it makes no sense to expect Zelda on her own to outdo him. Not to mention Ganon in some cases can even locate Zelda telepathically, so hiding isn't even an option.
She already does more than enough in the games as a supporting character. Making her more like Link just completely undermines her archetype of both being a damsel and a supporting character.
Make it believable. When I heard about Peach saving Mario in the movie and athletically clearing courses, I completely lost interest. She is a princess, yet she's also basically the most athletic, physically adept person in the world? Just another "strong" Mary Sue without flaws, because showing a woman failing or not be the most competent person in every situation is a sin now, apparently. Can't have a man being shown as stronger, faster and smarter, never.
With Zelda, they can't isekai Link. He is a Hylian, someone from the same world. If Zelda can affect the outcome of the quest from her gilded cage in the castle, then absolutely, go for it. If she has abilities or knowledge beyond a normal princess, give us a reasonable explanation. Did she analyze notes left by her departed mother like in Spirit Tracks? Did she receive Sheikah training for 7 years like in OoT? Did she live her life leading a pirate crew she inherited from her parents like in Wind Waker? Just make it believable. Because making her able to traverse perilous obstacles with superhuman athetic abilities has never been her suit, and would make no sense if she's been living in a castle all her life. Acting like a tomboy and sneaking out occasionally wouldn't be enough to make it make sense, either. Not for someone whose life was mostly spent sitting down, learning manners and how to rule a kingdom by her retainers who do all the manual labour.
When I heard about Peach saving Mario in the movie and athletically clearing courses
Despite the common narrative around here, that's not really how it goes down. She makes an offhand line that jokingly suggests she one shot the course he just did. And she has lived in the kingdom her whole life compared to his one day, so it would be fucking dumb if she couldn't parkour around the bizzaro architecture the world has.
Its the most believable thing possible, because they decided to Isekai a regular human Mario into the game world while she spent her entire life in it. And after aforementioned training course he is for the most part on her level (despite being half her size) despite not having years of experience to back it up.
But perhaps I actually played Mario games outside the old mainlines, so seeing Peach able to actually run and do stuff like she does in all the spinoffs and most of the non-Odyssey recent games didn't trigger any alarms to me as outlandish.
The entire Kong section where she fails to accomplish the one thing she went there for despite it being her idea, and Mario instead steps up and wins them over through his skill and ability. And when he manages to get rid of the Big Bob-omb, and him and Luigi defeat Bowser in the climax. The only time he is ever shown to be lacking is during the obstacle course which is a literal training montage to justify a regular human learning to platform, and he is otherwise a capable if out of his element Isekai protagonist.
The only time we see her do anything remotely useful is during the wedding, where she was going along with it until a distraction arrived and they as a team fought back.
That's the thing about actually watching a movie instead of just hearing about it from people repeating a narrative they also heard. You can actually name things about it to support your position.
Going out of my way to watch a movie takes effort and time. Not watching it takes none. I'd need a justification to bother with it.
I have your opinion now, and it does sound believable. I'd like to hear from at least another person supporting it for me to decide if it's worth it. Even if it isn't as bad with the boss girl tropes as the rest of modern media, I'd still need to decide if it's something I'd enjoy watching at all.
And I watched it for similar reasons. I have a smallish child who loves Mario and explaining why anything seen in the movie was a bad thing was less effort and more likely to work than trying to reason with and explain politics to a small child about why we wouldn't be.
And I had to do basically none of that because it had almost none of the "woke" elements people kept telling me were so overt were there whatsoever, outside of a throwaway line about clearing the course in one try.
But its still a kid's movie and its not worth watching outside the context of bringing a child to it, because its not really that good. Passable is what I'd call it, family night watch instead of top tier cinema.
Yeah they let feminists run wild with Peach in the Mario movie. Not only did she teach Mario how to be Mario, she made sure to let him (and the audience) know that she beat the training course the first time she tried it.
We're going to see Hollywood strip mining video games for movies now that the MCU is dead and Mario made a billion dollars and the movies are going to mostly be made by bitter, hateful people who've been nursing Gamergate-based grudges for over a decade.
People don't want a trooned out Zelda, but there are plenty of communists that do. They're never going to stop with the demoralization and subversion. A combination of outside actors like Black or Vanguard combined with the useful idiots having replaced anyone legit means they can't.
People or a handful of nut jobs on social media? Granted, these mega corporations seem to think social media is an accurate measure of what actual fans want
A couple dozen trannies, a handful of liberal women, 150 bots. 1000 actual Zelda fans are arguing against them in the replies, causing the hash tag to trend. A Nintendo of America marketing bluehair will screencap the trending list to show management how popular the idea is.
This. This is literally what it is.
Any chance Nintendo would be dumb enough to do that?
Unlikely. The Mario movie was almost certainly set up to be a lot more woke and Nintendo clamped that shit down so hard all that's left is a single line of dialogue.
Especially as Zelda is the opposite of all their other IPs. Wherein the rest they won't make a new one unless it has a gimmick attached, Zelda just gets the formula everytime.
What are you talking about? The last two Zelda games were massive departures from the original formula, to the point that people are afraid we'll never get another Ocarina/LTTP styled Zelda again due to their success.
Pasting a generic open world and then basic bitch crafting on top of the same "go to X dungeons to awaken/empower a SPECIAL PERSON, then kill Ganon" (simplified, obviously) is not as massive departure as it seems. They just forced infinite padding in the form of durability and requiring you to grind out shrines for basic health upgrades that distracts from the same exact skeleton as always.
Like, the only major difference is you get all your items at the beginning of the game instead of inside the dungeons, but if you don't care go out looking for shrines it plays exactly like any other Zelda game. Seriously, mod in like 10 hearts to start with and the Master Sword for an unbreaking weapon and you can literally play it like OoT (but more boring because that padding got all their focus).
I played some of... whatever the first big open world Zelda was. I got bored so quickly.
Old school Zelda was well crafted, with creative dungeons that gave you new abilities, then used that new ability in each dungeon as part of the puzzle solution. The dungeons built on one another logically. Often that new ability also opened the path in s the world to the next dungeon. That newish one I played gave you all the abilities practically right away, then provided a mostly empty world with single room dungeons.
Darksiders did an excellent job mimicking that gameplay as well.
That's one of my big issues with Breath of the Wild (the one you played). Its full of those classic good Zelda moments, but they put a massive open field in between each one and removed any possible reward from it. Because money is useless and "a good weapon" is just them selling me the solution for a problem they caused. The dungeons suck because they took all the interesting dungeon ideas and cut them into one-off Shrines to give you something to do in the world.
Its shining proof of the "Nintendo bonus" because its a worse Assassin's Creed game without the one benefit Ubisoft open world gives, the autistic joy of completing a checklist. Because it tracks nothing, the rewards are mostly worthless, and it literally mocks you if you 100% it with a golden turd.
What was the line?
That she did the obstacle course on the first try. Which, despite the common narrative here, I don't think is really as bad as people want it to be. I took it as a joke she was fucking with him on.
Other way around. Social media is amplified to provide false justification to these decisions. The purpose of these decisions is to maintain the alliance with progs, who act as their middle managers and attack dogs, as long as their religion is inserted into everything.
Wont happen, but they can't say it wont happen either.
I think the woke stuff thats a given at this point is that Zelda will be a strong wahmen and theres most likely going to be diversity in form of race swaps or just depicting Hyrule as having the racial demographics of Harlem.
The overton window has moved so much that the anti SJW community will think its "based" when the Zelda move doesn't have a trans Zelda, all while retaining other woke stuff. Just like the Mario movie being uplifted as "based" even though Peaches entire character felt like it was created by Anita Sarkeesian.
What's funny is that having Zelda be an actual strong woman has been one of the biggest desires of the fanbase for years. With her pathetic portrayal in the Breath/Tears games being one of her lowest and most easily mocked points.
Shit its why Tetra is the only version of Zelda anyone actually ever liked outside coom reasons. Same with Midna who filled the role of "Princess" for the majority of the game in a game where Zelda is basically nonexistent.
So what has plagued the series for so long, and what will probably protect this movie, is Nintendo's absolute terror at ever remotely straying from the formula for a Zelda game. They only did Breath 10 years after Open World games figured it all out for them and it still feels like the same Zelda game but with Shrines instead of Skultulas and forced padding called "durability."
Zelda has always been a supportive character, even when she took a more active role in it. She represents femininity in both her demure appearance and nurturing behavior. Link and Ganon represent two forms of masculinity, with one using strength to achieve power while the other using it for nobility.
Post modernists hate femininity, and when they cry out for Zelda to not be a damsel, what they really mean is that they want her to be less feminine in both appearance and personality. They want her to be someone like Aloy from the Horizon games or Ellie/Abby in TLOU2, just a boring as dish water lesbian whos sole purpose is to just exist to challenge "patriarchal norms".
This subversion/deconstruction has plagued media for so long, that even a simple hero saving the princess story is now seen as fresh again. I think this is one of the reasons why BOTW/TOTK succeeded so much despite there being even more of an outcry from the vocal minority to make Zelda the main character.
I don't think Nintendo will have creative control over the Zelda movie, they're mostly just producing it while only consulting with stuff like the lore. Just look at the godawful cartoon from the early 90's where Zelda is a frigid bitch and Link is a sleazy idiot who stumbles his way to victory, now just imagine what modern western entertainment will do to Zelda. They already made Mario an idiot, Luigi the damsel, and Peach being the mary sue who has to show Mario the ropes while later rescuing herself.
Also I hope nobody is cooming to Tetra considering shes only like 10.
She is also the holder of the literal god power of Wisdom, which is what she is supposed to represent more than anything else. Despite this, her entire history has been constant and chronic retardation and idiocy on a level that, while normal for a damsel princess, rejects the very notion of any Wisdom.
Strong doesn't have to mean literally physically capable. It can in fact just be smart enough to not fall for the obvious traps of the guy who is supposed to represent Meatheadedness and his army of braindead minions. Strong of mind, to contrast Link's strong of heart and Ganon's strong of body.
Peach from Paper Mario 64 (and TYD) was captured nearly the entire game, yet still managed to both work her own angle and assist you from her cage while still needing to be rescued. Heck even Tetra was more than capable until she became Zelda in her mainline game.
There is a far gulf between "make her the real hero badass" like Twitter wants and "make her a useless idiot who sits in the background waiting for help everytime" like she keeps ending up. But, since most people kneejerk react to those Twitter people and feel the need to 180 whatever they say, we are now going to be stuck with people claiming the latter as their genuine opinion.
What? How was she presented as retarded? She still helped out a ton, its just that she doesn't possess the strength to fight back. In Zelda 1 she destroyed the triforce of wisdom and scattered it across eight dungeons to prevent Ganon from finding it, all while sending Impa to guide Link into finding them.
Ganon is also not a "meathead", he was a thief who ascended the throne while leading an army of monsters, all while managing to obtain the Triforce of power. Hyrules armies all fell before him, and even Link with the Triforce of courage and the master sword still needed some support to put him down, so it makes no sense to expect Zelda on her own to outdo him. Not to mention Ganon in some cases can even locate Zelda telepathically, so hiding isn't even an option.
She already does more than enough in the games as a supporting character. Making her more like Link just completely undermines her archetype of both being a damsel and a supporting character.
Make it believable. When I heard about Peach saving Mario in the movie and athletically clearing courses, I completely lost interest. She is a princess, yet she's also basically the most athletic, physically adept person in the world? Just another "strong" Mary Sue without flaws, because showing a woman failing or not be the most competent person in every situation is a sin now, apparently. Can't have a man being shown as stronger, faster and smarter, never.
With Zelda, they can't isekai Link. He is a Hylian, someone from the same world. If Zelda can affect the outcome of the quest from her gilded cage in the castle, then absolutely, go for it. If she has abilities or knowledge beyond a normal princess, give us a reasonable explanation. Did she analyze notes left by her departed mother like in Spirit Tracks? Did she receive Sheikah training for 7 years like in OoT? Did she live her life leading a pirate crew she inherited from her parents like in Wind Waker? Just make it believable. Because making her able to traverse perilous obstacles with superhuman athetic abilities has never been her suit, and would make no sense if she's been living in a castle all her life. Acting like a tomboy and sneaking out occasionally wouldn't be enough to make it make sense, either. Not for someone whose life was mostly spent sitting down, learning manners and how to rule a kingdom by her retainers who do all the manual labour.
Despite the common narrative around here, that's not really how it goes down. She makes an offhand line that jokingly suggests she one shot the course he just did. And she has lived in the kingdom her whole life compared to his one day, so it would be fucking dumb if she couldn't parkour around the bizzaro architecture the world has.
Its the most believable thing possible, because they decided to Isekai a regular human Mario into the game world while she spent her entire life in it. And after aforementioned training course he is for the most part on her level (despite being half her size) despite not having years of experience to back it up.
But perhaps I actually played Mario games outside the old mainlines, so seeing Peach able to actually run and do stuff like she does in all the spinoffs and most of the non-Odyssey recent games didn't trigger any alarms to me as outlandish.
Oh? Then tell me. Is there any point whatsoever in the movie where Mario saves Peach? Or does anything better than her? How often does she save him?
The entire Kong section where she fails to accomplish the one thing she went there for despite it being her idea, and Mario instead steps up and wins them over through his skill and ability. And when he manages to get rid of the Big Bob-omb, and him and Luigi defeat Bowser in the climax. The only time he is ever shown to be lacking is during the obstacle course which is a literal training montage to justify a regular human learning to platform, and he is otherwise a capable if out of his element Isekai protagonist.
The only time we see her do anything remotely useful is during the wedding, where she was going along with it until a distraction arrived and they as a team fought back.
That's the thing about actually watching a movie instead of just hearing about it from people repeating a narrative they also heard. You can actually name things about it to support your position.
Going out of my way to watch a movie takes effort and time. Not watching it takes none. I'd need a justification to bother with it.
I have your opinion now, and it does sound believable. I'd like to hear from at least another person supporting it for me to decide if it's worth it. Even if it isn't as bad with the boss girl tropes as the rest of modern media, I'd still need to decide if it's something I'd enjoy watching at all.
And I watched it for similar reasons. I have a smallish child who loves Mario and explaining why anything seen in the movie was a bad thing was less effort and more likely to work than trying to reason with and explain politics to a small child about why we wouldn't be.
And I had to do basically none of that because it had almost none of the "woke" elements people kept telling me were so overt were there whatsoever, outside of a throwaway line about clearing the course in one try.
But its still a kid's movie and its not worth watching outside the context of bringing a child to it, because its not really that good. Passable is what I'd call it, family night watch instead of top tier cinema.
Zelda was fucking awesome in Hyrule Warriors.
Non-canon, I know. And I'm a Musou fan anyway.
Here's the thing. No.
There shouldn't be a live action Zelda movie.
Zelda is already the most popular Nintendo game outside of Mario.
Giving normies more reason to buy games is not good.
Not people, just freak fetishists.
Why can't they just make another cartoon movie? Seeing a photorealistic Link on screen just won't feel right.
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All 3 of them on
TwitterMastodon.Only if Ganondorf is played by an actual middle eastern
Ganon to be played by Terry Crews in a bad wig!
Princess Zeldong.
Nowhere in the 30+ years I've been playing Zelda was it even slightly implied she was a degenerate crossdressing coomer .... so.
The counter argument to that will be Sheik who first appeared in Ocarina of Time in 1998, despite it being a disguise and nothing else.
Thankfully I think Nintendo will politely tell them to fuck all the way off. Or more likely just ignore them.
Are you sure about that? To me everything about the first quoted paragraph screams it'll be made "for modern audiences".
Yeah they let feminists run wild with Peach in the Mario movie. Not only did she teach Mario how to be Mario, she made sure to let him (and the audience) know that she beat the training course the first time she tried it.
We're going to see Hollywood strip mining video games for movies now that the MCU is dead and Mario made a billion dollars and the movies are going to mostly be made by bitter, hateful people who've been nursing Gamergate-based grudges for over a decade.
People don't want a trooned out Zelda, but there are plenty of communists that do. They're never going to stop with the demoralization and subversion. A combination of outside actors like Black or Vanguard combined with the useful idiots having replaced anyone legit means they can't.
why not, it's going to be a shitty movie anyway