The guy never talked about 'decapitated babies', he only mentioned that 40 babies had been murdered by Hamas and that some of the people had been beheaded. Some other people (myself included) conflated those two.
So do you have any desire to clear the air on the subject? Perhaps some kind of “mea culpa” to apologize for spreading zionist propaganda with the intent of justifying genocide? Or are you just going to keep simping for the closest thing to real life Nazis we’ve seen in 80 years?
Gunna have to do better than that my merchant of venice
No can do. I suggest that you offer the mildest criticism of yourself before you attack others.
Why else would you and all the other lemmings be crying about decapitated babies if not to justify the extermination of the Palestinians?
Kooky. That's not even on the table, dummy.
Yeah yeah, I’m rubber you’re glue. 28,000 dead Palestinians vs 2000 dead israelis begs to differ with your faggotry.
And that proves Nazism, how exactly? Israel could wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth tomorrow. And yet it won't. If Palestinians could wipe Israelis off the face of the earth, what would they do?
How does killing tens of thousands of people in a concentration camp you forced them into prove nazism? Are you only pretending to be retarded or are you actually this stupid?
I suggest that you offer the mildest criticism of yourself before you attack others.
But I haven’t been repeating falsehoods to justify extermination, what should I be criticizing?
Find where I said that you faggot. You can't, because I didn't. Go rant about 'muh jews' somewhere else. The average IQ here will go up a few points when you leave.
As much as we say a lot of things about muh jews, you all (the very obvious jewish ethinicity) are just as guilty as what you project because you resort to namecalling, "muh leftists", "muh neonazis" a lot even though at the end of the day, leftist and rightist and even nazi are all just meaningless labels thanks to your kind overusing the word too much for innocuous crimes.
In fact, I think we were trying to be very reasonable before we started using jews as pejorative after many years of trying to compromise after being called incel, nazi and misogynists. It only started ramping up few years after Trump's presidency. If I remember at the time of Gamergate, we were all just normies that had no idea and pretty far from fringe. In short, muh jews isn't some valid criticism you think it is because likes of Larry Fink, David Wise, Jonathan Greenblatt, Seth Rogen, Sarah Silverman, Scott Warner, Sam Bankman-Fried had a loooooong window of opportunity to put the extremists back to fringe. The fact that I can just name them without looking them up speaks volumes how insidious these people are about destroying western culture in general and now they are begging American to side with Israel trying to destroy Palestinians.
I follow several, including Intel Republic and Intel Slava Z. Unfortunately, especially the latter is a bit jingoistic, e.g. talking about "Ukrainian pigs", and all Russia channels are very anti-Israel.
Well if all of your problems with “islamists” are actually being caused by ([{Globalist Intelligence Agencies}]), you must realize you’d have to be fucking retarded to still blame the muzzlems
Considering you chimed in on this thread, which is indeed about the white helmets in Syria and their false flag gas attack, you’re dumber than I thought
I would agree but the problem is war crimes at that level gets other people mad and could cause a regional war
I'm pretty sure an accidental hit on a hospital (if Israel hit it) is not even in the same ballpark as what Hamas did last week. Coincidentally, you weren't crying about that.
Because war crimes aren't just about numbers of dead - and besides, twice as many were killed at that music festival and in the kibbutzes.
If Israel intentionally hit the hospital and the military-strategic value is not proportional to the number of civilian dead (very likely), then it is a war crime. Even so, butchering people you can see, in front of their families, is just so much worse than dropping a bomb.
How have I not addressed his points? He claims one war crime isn’t in the same ballpark as another. I dispute that by showing the events have the same amount of innocent casualties.
“Throwing in with hamas” = “pointing out you personally have been spreading hoaxed war-crimes to facilitate extermination of an entire nation”
Lmao.
Hey, btw, do you run the other SR blackbird accounts?
Imagine conflating the calling out of war propaganda as throwing in with terrorists.
Just like with Ukraine/Russia, we shouldn't believe essentially anything that either side says. And there have been way too many holes in the 'decapitated babies' story for it to be given much credence, as far as I can tell. It's certainly not the whole and unvarnished truth.
But there's just something bestial about slaughtering uninvolved people with your own hands.
I think you are right in a consequential sense (making killing easier to do makes it more likely to happen), while the people who are willing to raid and slaughter like Hamas are undoubtedly morally worse for it.
Even so, butchering people you can see, in front of their families, is just so much worse than dropping a bomb.
I'd say thinking like this, is what allows horrific atrocities to occur.
Obama was droning innocent people constantly, but because of how detatched we treated it, since it was just a bomb instead of actual boots on the ground, its more treated like a Wikipedia note and a funny meme thing instead of constant killing with little effort.
Like, its morally worse on some individual level between the butcher and his prey. But for us on the outside its no different and shouldn't be treated as such.
I'd say thinking like this, is what allows horrific atrocities to occur.
And you're absolutely right about that.
But I can't help it, I just know that you have to be a much worse person to invade someone's home and shoot terrified children in front of their parents, than to even intentionally drone a house with civilians that you can't even see. Even SS men were going insane because of all the atrocities they had to commit - the gas chambers were introduced in order to make executions more humane (for them, confirming that this is what allows atrocities to occur).
Like, its morally worse on some individual level between the butcher and his prey. But for us on the outside its no different and shouldn't be treated as such.
Ah, I think we agree. But regardless if the net effect is the same, it bothers me more if the bestial kind of killer gets away with it than the 'clean' one. Maybe it's irrational, I don't know.
Its completely rational, because as you said its a huge shadow on the perpetrator's morality and humanity that they can do that and we should want them punished for being so heinous.
But, the guy who can push a button and accomplish the same net end is almost eviler. Because he is so detached from the situation he isn't even giving human life the intimacy it deserves when it takes it. He can laugh in complete safety while he murders dozens, whereas the butcher is taking a risk everytime he does it and having to look at the horrors he leaves behind.
Its a normal reaction to the situation to think like you do, but I think that once we detach ourselves from gut instinct we can evaluate it to be a lot different than our minds think.
You can't just pick one incident and compare it, since the Hamas attack, Israel has already killed more civilians than Hamas did. It's irrelevant if they did it in a single attack on a hospital or not. And I'm not even picking sides, and this hospital event is too fresh for me to believe anything one way or the other. Still a weird thing to defend, though.
Whoever bombed a hospital, and whether intentional or accidental, should be totally condemned.
Israel has already killed more civilians than Hamas did
Have they? Where exactly are those numbers coming from? That said, I'll gladly accept the claim arguendo. The difference is that 100% of Hamas civilian killings were intentional, while 100% or close to it of Israeli were unintentional - and thus not war crimes, assuming proportionality is met.
Still a weird thing to defend, though.
I don't see it as defending anything, but rather, explaining what war crimes are and aren't.
Whoever bombed a hospital, and whether intentional or accidental, should be totally condemned.
Agreed. But if a hospital is used as a military base, it is a legitimate military target, and the war crime is on those using it as a human shield.
I'm pretty sure an accidental hit on a hospital (if Israel hit it) is not even in the same ballpark as what Hamas did last week. Coincidentally, you weren't crying about that.
I have to say, this is an...unusual take for you. What gives?
I've seen it, but this is still quite overt, and personally I was surprised. I know a lot of people here argue with him (often unfairly, I'd argue), but his takes aren't usually this bad.
Defending a hospital bombing because 'Hamas did worse' is pretty blatant.
To be fair, they act fairly normally and fit in on any other subject, but the moment the discussion involves jews, for some reason they get extremely defensive and hostile. It's like a switch is flipped. Not sure if they're shills trying to remain covert, jews themselves, or incredibly indoctrinated by Western propaganda, which has turned jews into sacred cows capable of doing no wrong, and anyone who criticizes them into Nazis (it's exactly like a religion).
If they just said “yes, I’m jewish, and I believe in the right for an ethnicity to determine their own destiny”, people wouldn’t mind as much (imo) - the issue is they can’t help themselves but “fellow whites” us on every single fucking subject. It’s the dishonesty and deception that I have the biggest issue with. The same people who champion gun-control, abortion, and open borders campaign for the exact opposite in israel.
Maybe they are just omega-brainwashed, but being brainwashed isn’t an excuse
The argument is that because Hamas did it “on purpose” and Israel did it “by accident”, Hamas is more in the wrong than Israel. Whether or not there is a difference or whether it matters is a stupid argument about a point that doesn’t matter, because the real point should be:
Think of it this way: would you rather have an American airmen who intentionally struck civilian targets in Tokyo or Dresden as your neighbor or an SS Einsatzgruppen member?
The effect may be the same, killing innocent civilians, but killing innocents with your own hands is just so bestial that I do think that people who do that are way worse.
What about those decapitated babies? Did they find any yet?
The guy never talked about 'decapitated babies', he only mentioned that 40 babies had been murdered by Hamas and that some of the people had been beheaded. Some other people (myself included) conflated those two.
So do you have any desire to clear the air on the subject? Perhaps some kind of “mea culpa” to apologize for spreading zionist propaganda with the intent of justifying genocide? Or are you just going to keep simping for the closest thing to real life Nazis we’ve seen in 80 years?
'Myself included' should have been a bit of a hint.
I was not aware of my alleged intent of 'justifying genocide'.
I'm not simping for Hamas.
Gunna have to do better than that my merchant of venice
Why else would you and all the other lemmings be crying about decapitated babies if not to justify the extermination of the Palestinians?
Yeah yeah, I’m rubber you’re glue. 28,000 dead Palestinians vs 2000 dead israelis begs to differ with your faggotry.
No can do. I suggest that you offer the mildest criticism of yourself before you attack others.
Kooky. That's not even on the table, dummy.
And that proves Nazism, how exactly? Israel could wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth tomorrow. And yet it won't. If Palestinians could wipe Israelis off the face of the earth, what would they do?
How does killing tens of thousands of people in a concentration camp you forced them into prove nazism? Are you only pretending to be retarded or are you actually this stupid?
But I haven’t been repeating falsehoods to justify extermination, what should I be criticizing?
"The jews were the real nazis the whole time!"
Say lefitsts, and neonazis (though I repeat myself)
Oh hey look it’s another one of the faggots who was spreading the decapitated babies bullshit.
And he’s still sucking MOSSAD cock? Shocker
Find where I said that you faggot. You can't, because I didn't. Go rant about 'muh jews' somewhere else. The average IQ here will go up a few points when you leave.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17rSZxPTyk/let-us-list-the-ways-in-which-th/c/4TxkdnF9yb9
As much as we say a lot of things about muh jews, you all (the very obvious jewish ethinicity) are just as guilty as what you project because you resort to namecalling, "muh leftists", "muh neonazis" a lot even though at the end of the day, leftist and rightist and even nazi are all just meaningless labels thanks to your kind overusing the word too much for innocuous crimes.
In fact, I think we were trying to be very reasonable before we started using jews as pejorative after many years of trying to compromise after being called incel, nazi and misogynists. It only started ramping up few years after Trump's presidency. If I remember at the time of Gamergate, we were all just normies that had no idea and pretty far from fringe. In short, muh jews isn't some valid criticism you think it is because likes of Larry Fink, David Wise, Jonathan Greenblatt, Seth Rogen, Sarah Silverman, Scott Warner, Sam Bankman-Fried had a loooooong window of opportunity to put the extremists back to fringe. The fact that I can just name them without looking them up speaks volumes how insidious these people are about destroying western culture in general and now they are begging American to side with Israel trying to destroy Palestinians.
Some other people, more like everyone who heard the report lol
https://www.episcopalnewsservice.org/2023/10/16/anglican-hospital-among-facilities-struggling-to-respond-to-growing-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza/
It’s not even named the baptist hospital anymore
This is pure propaganda to try and make Christians care. Sorry, Palestinians are just as genocidal to Christians as the rest of the Islamic states.
Turns out it was hamas the whole time, you fucking retard. OP is a faggot for falling for hamas propaganda, and so is everyone else who believed it.
The source it was Hamas the whole time also pushed out 40 beheaded babies.
And the source claiming it's israel are the terrorists who do, in fact, murder babies (along with men and women) constantly via terrorism.
They sure seem reliable.
Post Reported for: Rule 12 - Faleshoods
The responsible party is disputed. The number of deaths is unclear. Over 1,000 is not confirmed, and possibly unknowable. The hospital appears to be in-tact, actual death toll is unknown, and the situation is desperately confused. Remember not to simply repeat propaganda as it comes in, as you are the primary target.
any telegram channels you recommend?
For the war in Ukraine?
I follow several, including Intel Republic and Intel Slava Z. Unfortunately, especially the latter is a bit jingoistic, e.g. talking about "Ukrainian pigs", and all Russia channels are very anti-Israel.
Lmfao
"It's the same picture."
Well if all of your problems with “islamists” are actually being caused by ([{Globalist Intelligence Agencies}]), you must realize you’d have to be fucking retarded to still blame the muzzlems
Blame them for what?
In this example, staging a chemical attack on their own people in an attempt to justify dragging america into the overthrow of another muslim nation.
I'm not blaming them for that. There is plenty left for which Muslims and Islam can be blamed.
Considering you chimed in on this thread, which is indeed about the white helmets in Syria and their false flag gas attack, you’re dumber than I thought
I'm pretty sure an accidental hit on a hospital (if Israel hit it) is not even in the same ballpark as what Hamas did last week. Coincidentally, you weren't crying about that.
How is 500 dead in a hospital not in the “same ballpark” as 500 dead at a music festival and kibbutz?
Because war crimes aren't just about numbers of dead - and besides, twice as many were killed at that music festival and in the kibbutzes.
If Israel intentionally hit the hospital and the military-strategic value is not proportional to the number of civilian dead (very likely), then it is a war crime. Even so, butchering people you can see, in front of their families, is just so much worse than dropping a bomb.
#RememberTheDecapitatedBabies
#NeverForget
You haven't actually responded to a single point that Antonio has made in the entire thread.
Imagine throwing in with Hamas to own the Jews.
How have I not addressed his points? He claims one war crime isn’t in the same ballpark as another. I dispute that by showing the events have the same amount of innocent casualties.
“Throwing in with hamas” = “pointing out you personally have been spreading hoaxed war-crimes to facilitate extermination of an entire nation”
Lmao.
Hey, btw, do you run the other SR blackbird accounts?
Imagine conflating the calling out of war propaganda as throwing in with terrorists.
Just like with Ukraine/Russia, we shouldn't believe essentially anything that either side says. And there have been way too many holes in the 'decapitated babies' story for it to be given much credence, as far as I can tell. It's certainly not the whole and unvarnished truth.
"Forget all the Hamas atrocities, except the one that may not have been true!"
“It’s only terrorism when non-yids do it!”
Not really. It's just easier, which leads to one of the moral failings of our modern "peaceful" empires.
And that's true too.
But there's just something bestial about slaughtering uninvolved people with your own hands.
I think you are right in a consequential sense (making killing easier to do makes it more likely to happen), while the people who are willing to raid and slaughter like Hamas are undoubtedly morally worse for it.
I'd say thinking like this, is what allows horrific atrocities to occur.
Obama was droning innocent people constantly, but because of how detatched we treated it, since it was just a bomb instead of actual boots on the ground, its more treated like a Wikipedia note and a funny meme thing instead of constant killing with little effort.
Like, its morally worse on some individual level between the butcher and his prey. But for us on the outside its no different and shouldn't be treated as such.
And you're absolutely right about that.
But I can't help it, I just know that you have to be a much worse person to invade someone's home and shoot terrified children in front of their parents, than to even intentionally drone a house with civilians that you can't even see. Even SS men were going insane because of all the atrocities they had to commit - the gas chambers were introduced in order to make executions more humane (for them, confirming that this is what allows atrocities to occur).
Ah, I think we agree. But regardless if the net effect is the same, it bothers me more if the bestial kind of killer gets away with it than the 'clean' one. Maybe it's irrational, I don't know.
Its completely rational, because as you said its a huge shadow on the perpetrator's morality and humanity that they can do that and we should want them punished for being so heinous.
But, the guy who can push a button and accomplish the same net end is almost eviler. Because he is so detached from the situation he isn't even giving human life the intimacy it deserves when it takes it. He can laugh in complete safety while he murders dozens, whereas the butcher is taking a risk everytime he does it and having to look at the horrors he leaves behind.
Its a normal reaction to the situation to think like you do, but I think that once we detach ourselves from gut instinct we can evaluate it to be a lot different than our minds think.
You can't just pick one incident and compare it, since the Hamas attack, Israel has already killed more civilians than Hamas did. It's irrelevant if they did it in a single attack on a hospital or not. And I'm not even picking sides, and this hospital event is too fresh for me to believe anything one way or the other. Still a weird thing to defend, though.
Whoever bombed a hospital, and whether intentional or accidental, should be totally condemned.
Have they? Where exactly are those numbers coming from? That said, I'll gladly accept the claim arguendo. The difference is that 100% of Hamas civilian killings were intentional, while 100% or close to it of Israeli were unintentional - and thus not war crimes, assuming proportionality is met.
I don't see it as defending anything, but rather, explaining what war crimes are and aren't.
Agreed. But if a hospital is used as a military base, it is a legitimate military target, and the war crime is on those using it as a human shield.
Israel's propping up of Hamas means they are partially responsible for everything it does,. They have no moral high ground.
I have to say, this is an...unusual take for you. What gives?
He shills for jews, whenever they come up or whenever they're involved in a discussion, no matter what. So does Gizortnik.
I've seen it, but this is still quite overt, and personally I was surprised. I know a lot of people here argue with him (often unfairly, I'd argue), but his takes aren't usually this bad.
Defending a hospital bombing because 'Hamas did worse' is pretty blatant.
To be fair, they act fairly normally and fit in on any other subject, but the moment the discussion involves jews, for some reason they get extremely defensive and hostile. It's like a switch is flipped. Not sure if they're shills trying to remain covert, jews themselves, or incredibly indoctrinated by Western propaganda, which has turned jews into sacred cows capable of doing no wrong, and anyone who criticizes them into Nazis (it's exactly like a religion).
If they just said “yes, I’m jewish, and I believe in the right for an ethnicity to determine their own destiny”, people wouldn’t mind as much (imo) - the issue is they can’t help themselves but “fellow whites” us on every single fucking subject. It’s the dishonesty and deception that I have the biggest issue with. The same people who champion gun-control, abortion, and open borders campaign for the exact opposite in israel.
Maybe they are just omega-brainwashed, but being brainwashed isn’t an excuse
The argument is that because Hamas did it “on purpose” and Israel did it “by accident”, Hamas is more in the wrong than Israel. Whether or not there is a difference or whether it matters is a stupid argument about a point that doesn’t matter, because the real point should be:
Fuck em all.
Think of it this way: would you rather have an American airmen who intentionally struck civilian targets in Tokyo or Dresden as your neighbor or an SS Einsatzgruppen member?
The effect may be the same, killing innocent civilians, but killing innocents with your own hands is just so bestial that I do think that people who do that are way worse.
Am I? Link that exact comment. Because you're lying (as usual), Adolf.
That's really on the nose. Sure there isn't a nicer way to say that you're jewish?
Imagine a Hitler apologist pushing propaganda on Christians. Post hijab…