prominent figures in the RW sphere are at each other's throats about their favorite candidate.
but why? isn't it exceedingly obvious now that voter fraud is way past the point of no return? what the fuck does it matter which of these is "more likely" to win when an arbitrary number of Democrat votes will materialize at 3AM? just gotta vote harder?
focusing on the candidates is 100% a distraction.
Vote rigging looks to have happened in a few areas like in Arizona where there was WAY too much fuckery happening.
The two things you have to look out for are this:
Information suppression by media to keep information that would damage the dems out of the public space
Sabotage by establishment GOP like after Roe v Wade saying they should push for a federal ban on abortion
As for Trump vs Desantis, it's a wash right now, there isn't a clear path UNLESS Trump concedes freely on his own volition for Desantis to win. If they screw him in the nomination, MAGA stays home. Screw him through the courts, MAGA stays home or writes Trump in anyway as a fuck you.
Trump's the ultimate boogieman for the establishment which is why people want him back in after 3 years of pedo chief.
only kari lake is the only one brining up the dominion machines and election malpractices. And conservatives keep calling her a nut.
Well that's because voting is easy and can magically solve all problems by letting another man deal with them.
Acknowledging the voter fraud issue requires extremely upheaval, a lot of necessary consequences, and possibly disruption of your daily life. Things anathema to most Conservatives.
I would vote for either over the Democratic nomination unless RFK somehow wins it. the way DeSantis handled covid puts him leagues ahead of any other choice as far as I'm concerned.
Trouble is, D can do his best work as Florida governor. That state is the ONLY reason why Republicans can still focus enough on other states to have the ground game needed to win. The state's legislature has not made enough of his edicts into permanent law and if he leaves the seat to become president, a democrat could get in there and reverse everything. Then it'll be democrats forever.
He needs to finish his work where he's at. He's doing a great job... but he's being told he's doing a great job too often. It's going to his head and it is overpowering the sane long game that needs to occur here. Until he's as white haired as Pence, or as leather-bag faced as Trump, he needs to sit tight.
All this Rep infighting is why Dems are going to win.
Dems are united. Vote blue no matter who. They back their fraud/rigging/fortification machine from top to bottom. They control elections. They determine who wins.
Reps can't even unite to fight the fraud because they don't like their own candidates and because they are too afraid of the Dem media.
It's called a Primary my dude. You can worry if there's still infighting after the convention.
There's been infighting since Trump won in 2016.
The Rep establishment refused to fight the Dem fraud in the midterms and the general election because they didn't like Trump. They looked the other way with everything the Dems did and now they've lost the country.
And quite frankly I do not see them stopping after the primary because both Trump and the Rep establishment have been burning bridges left and right.
It's not "infighting" when one side is Democrats in disguise. More like Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Do you understand what the uniparty is? The establishment and the base are entirely divorced at this point.
It's the Globetrotters and the Washington Generals at this point. A less entertaining WWE. We need outsider candidates from top to bottom. Problem is, if they trickle into D.C. they are corrupted or extorted faster than anything can change.
Can't really disagree with that or your other comments. Most of politics is pro-wrestling. I think what you're calling "infighting" is different than what the OP means by infighting. (or how I interpreted it)
If Ted Cruz can go from: Lyin' Ted Cruz to Lion Ted Cruz, then there is no issue here.
infighting is indeed horrible for the right, but again - this is arguing from within the framing of your enemy: that it is in fact possible for republicans to win, but that the left's voter base possesses some important qualities which allowed them to win in 2020 and would help them again in 2024.
the left made it forbidden to mention voter fraud in polite society, so it's more comfortable to construct arguments that can explain 2020 (and soon, 2024) without making fraud the central issue.
That's my point. The Rep establishment didn't fight this tooth and nail because they didn't like Trump.
The Dems did fight tooth and nail to keep their rigging machine going.
And so the Reps no longer stand a chance.
I mean, all it takes is backing the wrong candidate once and suddenly guns are gone and hate speech is being written into the constitution as bad.
That's the issue with the idea of "conserving" things. You actually have something to lose. The Dems can be blue no matter who because they can just renew the siege again later with a new helm.
Voting just doesn't matter. When it comes down to it, if true change were to even become close to a reality the system wouldn't allow it. They would just shut it all down or some other bs until they can fix it and run media damage control.
Voting is not the way this all ends.
I think this has been the best primary in a very long time. We have two candidates who have won, done what they promised, and improved the lives of their constituents. I want Trump to win so DeSantis can prove Florida is winning even harder. That is not a position I've ever been in.
It doesn’t matter who wins the primaries. Because we’re at a point where the democrats can get away with voter fraud (at a much larger scale if they wanted to) and if any Republican candidate calls it out they’ll be completely dismissed.
This is definitely going to happen if Trump wins the primaries. From the looks of it it’s almost guaranteed that Trump will win. Once that happens dems will cheat bad, Trump will call it out, and no one will listen due to his history.
Honestly, I don’t even want Trump at the top of the ticket. It doesn’t make sense to me how he’s winning, but it seems like DeSantis isn’t very impressionable, and Ramaswamey isn't as popular because… why? I don’t know. I can’t find anything wrong with him. And you would think DeSantis would blow everyone out of the water because of how much he changed Florida for the good, but it just seems like he’s purposely losing.
I really think this is a setup to get Trump at the top just so they can cheat big. I’m talking major voter fraud across the board. They know they’ll be able to get away with it with Trump as the leading Republican candidate. Really pay attention to this election. This is going to be the one to change how elections are ran from here on out.
I don't trust Ramaswamey because I don't see any scars on him from fighting the Left.
The Left goes to war with people. Trump's been called a pedophile, a rapist, and his children (including Baron) have been targeted. Bannon's been convicted of a crime. Dinesh has served prison time. Horowitz had a friend murdered.
That's how this works. The enemy treats you like an enemy. Until I see Vivek with a broken tooth, I don't trust him.
it wouldn't matter who gets the ticket. the uniparty will just rig whoever they want to be their next puppet/president. At this point the country either becomes canada 2.0, or france with guns.
Never Trumpers are spiritually no different than Bernie to Hillary voters and she picked up over 90% of them in 2016. Only Trumpers are genuinely different.
If there wasn't a chance trump could pull it off they wouldn't be pulling out all the stops with the lawsuits and charges.
no real dissident is for desantis but we would take him over any democrat (except maybe rfk?)
but instead of dooming, prep and prepare an exist strategy for fleeing to russia if things go really bad
by bad I mean feds taking over state legislatures of red states so they can throw you in jail for not calling your kids made up pronouns
that's what the second amendment is for, and Russia doesn't have that.
They won't openly take over. Our intelligence agencies are probably already embedded in the state governments to some degree and have been for a long time.
lol Russia will be a war zone if things get that bad. Better to flee to a neutral country in Asia that won't get nuked if things go hot. Plus it's cheaper to live and the women aren't totally ate up by feminism, especially in the Muslim countries.
China has a soft approach to imperialism, they might run your country by economic means but it's unlikely they invade Asian countries militarily. Unless you move to Japan or Taiwan, then you'd be fucked.
RFK? A guy who's a mainstream democrat on every policy position except for vaccines?
that tiny bit of dissent puts him lightyears ahead of the rest
No Doomer, go the fuck home. If you insist on being useless and distancing yourself from the entangled gunfight that is modern politics, then do us all a favor: get out, shut up, and leave the rest of us alone to fight while you cuck yourself to your enemy.
The DeSantis - Trump battle is effectively over at this point, and DeSantis lost it for himself. This was a good argument to push demoralization, and make sure that you could foster feelings of resentment and division 4 months ago, but not now.
You failed. Get out.
No. It's just an excuse. Most of the shenanigans in 2020 were legal rigging of the election, not the 'massive fraud' people whine about.
And there is no such thing as fraud beyond the point of no return, for two reasons:
(Oh, and I know that exactly 0 people here will be pleased by this comment, but I don't care.)
an argument which presupposes voter fraud wasn't a deciding factor in 2020, is just as ridiculous as debates about COVID measures where both sides accept the premise that COVID is a killer pandemic.
If you mean that mail-in voting or the Hunter Biden stuff is voter fraud, I agree.
If you mean ballot stuffing, then no.
Thousands of ballots with no legitimate chain of custody and you're like, "it was probably OK"
I don't know. I think you're underselling the appeal of this message.
As someone who trusts government and the establishment not at all, you make a compelling argument. They're going to cheat. They're going to steal. The important thing is to make sure they need to do so as blatently as possible, so the normies actually notice.
Agreed. I'd been feeling demoralized lately about the effectiveness of voting, but I like your message better than giving up. Voting might not get you the candidate you want, but it'll make more obvious the corruption of those working against you.
Very good.
"I'm going to continue to claim election fraud is legal, and I don't care."
If it were your country, you'd be furious.
In my country and around, election fraud is legal, blowing up pipelines is legal, and free speech isn't. If I found out they were cheating, I'd actually be thrilled, because it would mean that our 'elections' matter more than I think they do.
Kidding aside, a lot of things are classified under 'election fraud'. I don't think ballot stuffing is legal in the US, but the way they rigged the election mostly was. If you don't diagnose the problem correctly, obviously you can't fix it.
I agree with you and it's a big part of my problem with claims of ballot fraud. A lot of people here will screech about ballot fraud and then can't even describe what fraud they think has taken place.
First category are things that are legal but shady. For example, ballot harvesting is legal in California. Or ballot machines mysteriously failing in Republican areas only on election day because Trump and his supporters got it in their heads that they should only vote in person on election day itself. Or election officials that send out multiple ballots to every voter in Democratic areas in the hopes that every person will vote. I think that a good amount of this occurs. The best solution is to make it illegal in the areas where the GOP has control and also make sure the right people are in charge of county elections. Election observers and state level oversight of local elections are also important.
Second category is what I call soft illegal. People who vote outside of the county of their residence. Ineligible voters being given valid ballots and then casting them. People who were given multiple ballots and then casting more than one vote. People who voted on behalf of others without their permission. Or ballots that were harvested in areas where ballot harvesting is illegal. This also happens a lot and has been documented in various ways like the 2020 Arizona election audit and the documentary 2000 Mules.
The third category is what I call hard illegal. And that's where there's a conspiracy of people to manipulate voting machines to record votes contrary to how the voter voted, or that the ballot counting machines were rigged. Or that large amounts of ballots were filled out to vote for one specific candidate. This category is where I am skeptical. I have yet to see any evidence of mass ballot stuffing or direct manipulation of voting machines. I've asked for evidence on this forum before and nobody ever delivers. If ballot stuffing happens, it happens in big blue metro areas like Milwaukee or Philadelphia. But again, theres a lack of proof here.
I BTFO'd you on this issue a day or two ago and now you keep spouting the same shit after not replying to it.
Hold your tongue if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and refuse to learn, euro.
Oh dear, aren't we full of ourselves?
Literal crazy people don't have much to teach, Amerifat.
It's barely a factor outside the fantasies of GOP diehards. And it leads them to overlook the rigging that can easily be stopped.
Going "no u" does not change the fact that you are entirely wrong about something you clearly did not follow and do not understand, and I explained this to you in another thread, got no reply, and you go on spouting the same bullshit a day later.
That refusal to acknowledge your own mistake and then doubling down here, is the textbook example of getting BTFO.
Nothing about acknowledging voter fraud causes people to ignore mail in voting and technically legal funding scams as an issue. You're scrambling to defend a point that you can't because it's demonstrably incorrect. Stop being a worm. The overwhelming voter fraud in 2020 was undeniable to anyone who actually paid attention.
You really thought you could fling a random accusation? Shows how many good arguments you have, none.
My refusal to agree with Mr. Crazy Person is a textbook example of getting BTFO. By that standard, I've been getting BTFO'ed my entire life.
I provided a laundry list of events that proved you wrong in that other thread. All you've replied with is "ur crazy american", to someone actually talking about american politics, euro.
So how about you remove the foot from your mouth and take a break from the internet for a while because I've seen you post intelligently before but this is you making yourself look like an ignorant clown on a primarily american website.
Or so you thought. I thought you didn't address the point at all, which was in any case irrelevant to what I had said: namely that it is not up to the Vice President to decide if an 'election' was fraudulent.
Which is not a "NO U", which you claimed it was.
I mean, clearly you are not able to be objective about it because you live there. I also fly into blind rage when I'm talking about European politics.
I explained this clearly - it was not a decision by the vice president to call the election fraudulent, but to honor the states' LAWFUL DEMANDS that their slate of electoral votes be returned pending an investigation, and to use executive power to intercede when the judicial branch was ignoring it's constitutional duty to the state governments. The federal serves at the behest of the states, not the other way around. You didn't reply because you are wrong, and this days later attempt at brushing it off because you can't accept being wrong is beneath the standards you've claimed in the past.
The vice president had the duty to refuse to ratify because of the states having the right to demand their grievances be addressed.
Actually I mostly agree with this.
There was so much rigging of the election, it's hard to specify which hard a harder impact. Legal means were:
However, we also saw unprecedented illegal rigging:
The criminal voter fraud that takes place was operating at a lower level and had significant impacts in swinging specific states.
But there was also non-criminal vote rigging, almost literally because laws were designed to allow it because covid, at a systemic level that no one had ever seen.
2020 was the most fraudulent election in American history since 1960, and by a damn mile.