"You're being defensive" is almost never used with good intentions. Defending yourself is normal and good, and most people recognize that.
The only people who complain about it are opportunists and backstabbers who don't want to catch heat in return for launching unprovoked verbal attacks on others.
Yeah, I've caught myself doing this in my writing which is easily done so I don't always hold it against people but it's always amusing to me how some people are that much of a social retard they think they can see tone in text which makes them ripe for trolling or they're annoying tantrum throwers that are going to be impossible to please no matter what you do.
Can't stand any of it and you're right it's not done with good intentions usually. More often than not it's emotional manipulation where they're ironically trying to provoke you in the most petty way possible. My personal favourite are the types of people on either side of the political spectrum throwing an accusation at you and then trying to make you defend yourself on that accusation. Never take the bait and refuse to interact with those types. Sometimes though they can just be that dumb but even with people like that you just have to break off contact unfortunately because even if you manage to make peace afterwards they'll find something else to get mad at you over.
it's not that they don't want to play it. it's much more insidious than that.
they don't want you to be able to play it. but that's still not enough because it's all just a hateful supremacy movement masquerading as compassion. this is a smokescreen so that creators start conceding ground.
that ground is conceded, they will move to the next target. games that are merely neutral will be targeted, not for lack of representation, but for lack of pushing this extreme, cult ideology. look at what they're doing with all those movie awards. if <50% of the top billing cast AND crew is either minority or PLGBT, then they will not be eligible for awards. 65% of the population is white, non-hispanic, non-jewish, and straight. yet white non-hispanic, non-jewish, straight women are 30% or less of female roles nowadays in movies, and white non-hispanic, non-male, straight men are not even 10%. blacks and jews are MASSIVELY overrepresented in media.
so it's not enough to be neutral or provide proportional representation. they've already started demanding massive discrimination against Whites/Asians and straight males, and they've demonstrated open hostility, racism, and sexism. they're just a hate movement.
look at Oceangate... dude is dead and killed 4 other people for the same fucking reason. he hated White males, refused to hire competent people just because they were White males.
What sexism are they referring to? Also this is why gatekeeping is important. I’ve reached a point of ignoring any claims of sexism with no evidence because an attractive female character is enough to anger people like her
Worse. Creepy evil men (fictional men portrayed as actual mysoginists) can't be shown being creepy evil men. The existence of creepy evil men in fiction PROMOTES creepy evil men behavior apparently.
Who cares? MK has gore, GTA has crimes, CoD has war, LoU2 has a disgusting troon killing dogs; those may be dealbreakers to other people that's why there are target audiences
So play something else.
If you do that instead of working to get it censored, you and I won't have a problem.
But we all know your "call outs" are attempts to force alterations. So no, your position is not reasonable. And yes, you can fuck off.
People like this are why you see more buff shirtless guys in games, because that's the only aesthetic that falls under the umbrella of traditionally heterosexual and attractive that you can get away with easily.
I recognize it as a pathetic and insecure reason same way I consider any man pathetic and insecure for letting covers of corny romance novels get under their skin.
A reminder that right wingers are just as cringe and ignorant about attacking this shit as these types of morons are, none of them are our friends. I know I go on about it but it bears repeating because it's easy to attack the low hanging fruit when there are plenty of other factions that are open about attacking peoples' hobbies politically just because they personally dislike it. If it's not the left attacking games and anime over sexism it's the right claiming it's degeneracy and causes violence.
You are right, but I think there is an important distinction.
You can be on the Right and not do those things. It works within the framework of nearly all forms of Right wing thought commonly held these days, even if some choose to be retards about it.
You cannot be on the Left without being that way. Its diametrically opposed to the very foundations and beliefs that predicate you being on the Left. If someone claims to be on the Left and isn't doing so, they are either a bad Leftist, a retard who has no idea what words mean, or just an outright hypocrite.
This is only important because it means that someone being on the Right isn't an immediate "enemy" while someone claiming to be on the Left has to be by default.
Oh absolutely, the thing that made me hang out with right wingers in the first place is that a lot of them are actually chill. They're the ones who started winning over non-voters because let's be real back in the day right wingers were cringe as fuck which is why they always lost. When Trump came along it was suddenly a bit more hip and fun to be right wing in spite of the left wing screeching.
However what's been happening here as we're seeing on this very site with the people who are getting triggered is you've got the evangelicals, the tradcons and the neo-con types trying to make a comeback now the right as gained a sliver of relevancy in mainstream politics and they are just as insufferable as any leftist.
I would just be extremely wary of any right winger pulling a 'hello, fellow gamers' routine and then concern trolling the fuck out of us over gaming because they do it and it's annoying, they're no better than Anita Sarkeesian.
I think the problem is that most of the problems those people complain about are actual problems. We just disagree on the severity and solution.
Let's take porn. Porn addiction is a real problem, effecting an absurd number of people and its having a tangible effect on people's perceptions of reality. Do we simply let that go unabated and hope eventually it settles out? Or do we acknowledge some people can't handle freedom and need to be led by the nose?
I think that's the big schism in the Right these days. The philosophical quandary of if people can be trusted with their own freedom, or do they need to be held firm to a standard to keep them above water. The rise of atheism after the decline of Christianity has shown that at least in that category they absolutely cannot be left to figure it out on their own.
I think as long as these problems exist and are so palpable in the damage they cause, we can't rightly tell these people to shutup and leave. We need to come to a middle point of either "truce until the Left is dead" or compromise on those beliefs to bring them to reality.
the right claiming it's degeneracy and causes violence.
oh how your tongue twists, some lawyers and grift organizations in the 90s going on about "the GTA" are now equated to the people of today who dislike our world of high speed pornography and dopamine toxicity.
to think that you can be any better than lefties while exposing yourself to the same fucked up, hormonally destructive shit they expose themselves to, to the point where you even feel the need to vehemently defend the act online, is nothing but insanity.
People with personal addiction problems and those on psychiatric medicine are the issue when it comes to anything happening in the gaming community. Something I've written extensively on, particularly the personal addiction problem part. Yes, you, specifically you, are exactly like the 90's era right wingers ranting about GTA and you have fuck all evidence to back it up.
Even psychologists who would love nothing more than to pin shit on gamers and gaming as a hobby could not find proper direct links between video games and violence or video games and sexism. In every single case the people who do have issues are using video games as a coping mechanism and have underlying psychological issues already going on with them. It's the same effect as alcohol, drugs and porn, the issue is an underlying one and a coping mechanism, it's nothing to do with the acts themselves.
The recent trend in micro-transactions and gambling mechanics are a great example of how absolute psychopaths are deliberately taking advantage of vulnerable people using predatory marketing tactics to get them to spend money on these games. If you talked about that you might have some credibility but no, instead your whole goal is to just shit on gamers who enjoy their hobby isn't it?
first of all, this isn't about sexism, lol. i am a sexist, and unrelatedly my primary worry is about the effect porn has on MEN, not women.
so, one can watch midget rape porn as a natural progression when the Dead Or Alive titties stop feeling exciting, get blackout drunk, and take heroin-cocaine speedballs, but as long as they're a well-adjusted person otherwise and aren't using the former things as a coping mechanism, it's cool, right?
i'm probably butchering what he said a little, but it was thomas sowell, ironically a negro, who came up with a good distinction between lefties and sane people: lefties think ideally, that everything can be the best version of itself and that's the result people should barrel towards. you exhibit this vision, because you think people can do all the above and still stand a chance in frozen-over hell to be well-adjusted.
sane people realize that the willpower of man is generally lacking and that throwing boob physics into every game because it's vaguely less disgusting than the mystery meat dyke afro stuff is still not the best, most rational choice. it replaces beauty-destroying cultural degeneration with just another sort of cultural degeneration: that is, the reduction of beauty into commodified lust.
the fact that you get so worked up just over being told that maybe H-cup bikini girls are more lustful than they're worth in entertainment media is proof enough that it has enough of a hold on you to start being damaging. if truly it meant nothing and was not an addiction you would have no problems with those same, pretty girls just being fully clothed and less exaggerated instead. instead you jump to attack your allies and insist that pornography has a place in society. it's just a hobby man, i just enjoy my hobby, let me have my constant half-chub watching bikini babes move around on screen. it couldn't possibly have an unseen effect on my psyche.
I wasn't even posting about sex or sexual content in games you massive social retard I was mainly posting about gaming itself as a hobby. You've basically ousted yourself as an anti-fun moral authoritarian and there is zero way you will be satisfied, once you're done attacking gaming, you'll move onto something else to get uppity over. You're just the same sort of power monger as the left wingers are except you don't have state backing, that's the only difference.
You're the one who brought up sexual content, you, apparently me wanting to enjoy playing battlebit remastered in my off time which is literally a game people equate to roblox is egregious as fuck. Just like with Anita Sarkeesian you have deliberately cherry picked examples of games you think are 'degenerate'. Yes, you are the right wing version of Anita Sarkeesian because she deliberately cherry picked examples as well to try and make her ideological point about games.
There are plenty of games that lots of people play which aren't even remotely sexualised yet you have latched onto some extremely specific examples that use sex as part of their marketing. I have absolutely no fucking problem with triggering people like you, you are not the sort of person I would ever want to hang out with in any capacity.
You're fucking cringe and don't have a leg to stand on and I'm deliberately ignoring the white nationalist elements of your post too and trying to be fair. Yes, there is no problem with boob physics in a game or sexual content especially if gamers aren't playing these games as a vehicle for their personal problems. Yes you are full of shit and don't know what you're writing about like most people who attack video games.
fascinating, four paragraphs and not one argument, just attacks and lies (we are under a post about sexual content in games and you pretend you were talking about battlebit remastered...?)
Anita Sarkessian was told to not play the games she finds so offensive but then she pulls the “it’s too important” argument.
Fun fact: she doesn't play the games that she finds offensive because she does not, in fact, regularly play video games!
Hells, if I recall she sometimes stole clips in her videos from other peoples' videos.
That really pissed me off when I heard that. All these gaming companies listened to her garbage
I know she said “it’s” but I suspect she was thinking “I’m.”
It’s amazing that playing a game is too important to someone who does not play video games
"You're being defensive" is almost never used with good intentions. Defending yourself is normal and good, and most people recognize that.
The only people who complain about it are opportunists and backstabbers who don't want to catch heat in return for launching unprovoked verbal attacks on others.
Yeah, I've caught myself doing this in my writing which is easily done so I don't always hold it against people but it's always amusing to me how some people are that much of a social retard they think they can see tone in text which makes them ripe for trolling or they're annoying tantrum throwers that are going to be impossible to please no matter what you do.
Can't stand any of it and you're right it's not done with good intentions usually. More often than not it's emotional manipulation where they're ironically trying to provoke you in the most petty way possible. My personal favourite are the types of people on either side of the political spectrum throwing an accusation at you and then trying to make you defend yourself on that accusation. Never take the bait and refuse to interact with those types. Sometimes though they can just be that dumb but even with people like that you just have to break off contact unfortunately because even if you manage to make peace afterwards they'll find something else to get mad at you over.
it's not that they don't want to play it. it's much more insidious than that.
they don't want you to be able to play it. but that's still not enough because it's all just a hateful supremacy movement masquerading as compassion. this is a smokescreen so that creators start conceding ground.
that ground is conceded, they will move to the next target. games that are merely neutral will be targeted, not for lack of representation, but for lack of pushing this extreme, cult ideology. look at what they're doing with all those movie awards. if <50% of the top billing cast AND crew is either minority or PLGBT, then they will not be eligible for awards. 65% of the population is white, non-hispanic, non-jewish, and straight. yet white non-hispanic, non-jewish, straight women are 30% or less of female roles nowadays in movies, and white non-hispanic, non-male, straight men are not even 10%. blacks and jews are MASSIVELY overrepresented in media.
so it's not enough to be neutral or provide proportional representation. they've already started demanding massive discrimination against Whites/Asians and straight males, and they've demonstrated open hostility, racism, and sexism. they're just a hate movement.
look at Oceangate... dude is dead and killed 4 other people for the same fucking reason. he hated White males, refused to hire competent people just because they were White males.
I was going to say, opposition to overwhelming fanservice is pretty normal actually. It's just a form of begging for attention.
Them "Oof, Yikes, stop sexualizing women, is creepy and off-putting"
Also them: "OMG Brisket, let me destroy that submissive boy-pussy uwu"
What sexism are they referring to? Also this is why gatekeeping is important. I’ve reached a point of ignoring any claims of sexism with no evidence because an attractive female character is enough to anger people like her
Attractive women existing makes ugly women with bad personalities uncomfortable.
Worse. Creepy evil men (fictional men portrayed as actual mysoginists) can't be shown being creepy evil men. The existence of creepy evil men in fiction PROMOTES creepy evil men behavior apparently.
And these women say it’s ok for women to appreciate attractive men.
Creepy Mafioso hitting on Filia in her opening segment. (This is in regards to Skullgirls, right?)
Fuck these people with a rusty rake.
I will continue to enjoy fan service anime and games and it is none of their business.
You guys remember that games journalist who had to cover his eyes when playing Yakuza because it showed a video of a woman in a bikini?
Reminds me of the puberty divide in grade school when some boys started to like girls and others insisted that this was weird and gay.
Well they are bots
The people who don't "tolerate sexism" should "move on". Find something you do like.
Why even bother. You cannot reason with them. They just need what you like to be destroyed.
Who cares? MK has gore, GTA has crimes, CoD has war, LoU2 has
a disgusting troonkilling dogs; those may be dealbreakers to other people that's why there are target audiencesSo play something else. If you do that instead of working to get it censored, you and I won't have a problem. But we all know your "call outs" are attempts to force alterations. So no, your position is not reasonable. And yes, you can fuck off.
a grown adult using the word 'icky' is not someone I can or will ever take seriously
People like this are why you see more buff shirtless guys in games, because that's the only aesthetic that falls under the umbrella of traditionally heterosexual and attractive that you can get away with easily.
The first part I could reasonably see as just someone's personal taste, but then the dipshit pulls out fake "moralistic" propaganda.
Simple: don't like don't buy. Don't be a faggot and demand a mass appeal product cater to you specifically.
I recognize it as a pathetic and insecure reason same way I consider any man pathetic and insecure for letting covers of corny romance novels get under their skin.
A reminder that right wingers are just as cringe and ignorant about attacking this shit as these types of morons are, none of them are our friends. I know I go on about it but it bears repeating because it's easy to attack the low hanging fruit when there are plenty of other factions that are open about attacking peoples' hobbies politically just because they personally dislike it. If it's not the left attacking games and anime over sexism it's the right claiming it's degeneracy and causes violence.
You are right, but I think there is an important distinction.
You can be on the Right and not do those things. It works within the framework of nearly all forms of Right wing thought commonly held these days, even if some choose to be retards about it.
You cannot be on the Left without being that way. Its diametrically opposed to the very foundations and beliefs that predicate you being on the Left. If someone claims to be on the Left and isn't doing so, they are either a bad Leftist, a retard who has no idea what words mean, or just an outright hypocrite.
This is only important because it means that someone being on the Right isn't an immediate "enemy" while someone claiming to be on the Left has to be by default.
Oh absolutely, the thing that made me hang out with right wingers in the first place is that a lot of them are actually chill. They're the ones who started winning over non-voters because let's be real back in the day right wingers were cringe as fuck which is why they always lost. When Trump came along it was suddenly a bit more hip and fun to be right wing in spite of the left wing screeching.
However what's been happening here as we're seeing on this very site with the people who are getting triggered is you've got the evangelicals, the tradcons and the neo-con types trying to make a comeback now the right as gained a sliver of relevancy in mainstream politics and they are just as insufferable as any leftist.
I would just be extremely wary of any right winger pulling a 'hello, fellow gamers' routine and then concern trolling the fuck out of us over gaming because they do it and it's annoying, they're no better than Anita Sarkeesian.
I think the problem is that most of the problems those people complain about are actual problems. We just disagree on the severity and solution.
Let's take porn. Porn addiction is a real problem, effecting an absurd number of people and its having a tangible effect on people's perceptions of reality. Do we simply let that go unabated and hope eventually it settles out? Or do we acknowledge some people can't handle freedom and need to be led by the nose?
I think that's the big schism in the Right these days. The philosophical quandary of if people can be trusted with their own freedom, or do they need to be held firm to a standard to keep them above water. The rise of atheism after the decline of Christianity has shown that at least in that category they absolutely cannot be left to figure it out on their own.
I think as long as these problems exist and are so palpable in the damage they cause, we can't rightly tell these people to shutup and leave. We need to come to a middle point of either "truce until the Left is dead" or compromise on those beliefs to bring them to reality.
oh how your tongue twists, some lawyers and grift organizations in the 90s going on about "the GTA" are now equated to the people of today who dislike our world of high speed pornography and dopamine toxicity.
to think that you can be any better than lefties while exposing yourself to the same fucked up, hormonally destructive shit they expose themselves to, to the point where you even feel the need to vehemently defend the act online, is nothing but insanity.
People with personal addiction problems and those on psychiatric medicine are the issue when it comes to anything happening in the gaming community. Something I've written extensively on, particularly the personal addiction problem part. Yes, you, specifically you, are exactly like the 90's era right wingers ranting about GTA and you have fuck all evidence to back it up.
Even psychologists who would love nothing more than to pin shit on gamers and gaming as a hobby could not find proper direct links between video games and violence or video games and sexism. In every single case the people who do have issues are using video games as a coping mechanism and have underlying psychological issues already going on with them. It's the same effect as alcohol, drugs and porn, the issue is an underlying one and a coping mechanism, it's nothing to do with the acts themselves.
The recent trend in micro-transactions and gambling mechanics are a great example of how absolute psychopaths are deliberately taking advantage of vulnerable people using predatory marketing tactics to get them to spend money on these games. If you talked about that you might have some credibility but no, instead your whole goal is to just shit on gamers who enjoy their hobby isn't it?
first of all, this isn't about sexism, lol. i am a sexist, and unrelatedly my primary worry is about the effect porn has on MEN, not women.
so, one can watch midget rape porn as a natural progression when the Dead Or Alive titties stop feeling exciting, get blackout drunk, and take heroin-cocaine speedballs, but as long as they're a well-adjusted person otherwise and aren't using the former things as a coping mechanism, it's cool, right?
i'm probably butchering what he said a little, but it was thomas sowell, ironically a negro, who came up with a good distinction between lefties and sane people: lefties think ideally, that everything can be the best version of itself and that's the result people should barrel towards. you exhibit this vision, because you think people can do all the above and still stand a chance in frozen-over hell to be well-adjusted.
sane people realize that the willpower of man is generally lacking and that throwing boob physics into every game because it's vaguely less disgusting than the mystery meat dyke afro stuff is still not the best, most rational choice. it replaces beauty-destroying cultural degeneration with just another sort of cultural degeneration: that is, the reduction of beauty into commodified lust.
the fact that you get so worked up just over being told that maybe H-cup bikini girls are more lustful than they're worth in entertainment media is proof enough that it has enough of a hold on you to start being damaging. if truly it meant nothing and was not an addiction you would have no problems with those same, pretty girls just being fully clothed and less exaggerated instead. instead you jump to attack your allies and insist that pornography has a place in society. it's just a hobby man, i just enjoy my hobby, let me have my constant half-chub watching bikini babes move around on screen. it couldn't possibly have an unseen effect on my psyche.
I wasn't even posting about sex or sexual content in games you massive social retard I was mainly posting about gaming itself as a hobby. You've basically ousted yourself as an anti-fun moral authoritarian and there is zero way you will be satisfied, once you're done attacking gaming, you'll move onto something else to get uppity over. You're just the same sort of power monger as the left wingers are except you don't have state backing, that's the only difference.
You're the one who brought up sexual content, you, apparently me wanting to enjoy playing battlebit remastered in my off time which is literally a game people equate to roblox is egregious as fuck. Just like with Anita Sarkeesian you have deliberately cherry picked examples of games you think are 'degenerate'. Yes, you are the right wing version of Anita Sarkeesian because she deliberately cherry picked examples as well to try and make her ideological point about games.
There are plenty of games that lots of people play which aren't even remotely sexualised yet you have latched onto some extremely specific examples that use sex as part of their marketing. I have absolutely no fucking problem with triggering people like you, you are not the sort of person I would ever want to hang out with in any capacity.
You're fucking cringe and don't have a leg to stand on and I'm deliberately ignoring the white nationalist elements of your post too and trying to be fair. Yes, there is no problem with boob physics in a game or sexual content especially if gamers aren't playing these games as a vehicle for their personal problems. Yes you are full of shit and don't know what you're writing about like most people who attack video games.
fascinating, four paragraphs and not one argument, just attacks and lies (we are under a post about sexual content in games and you pretend you were talking about battlebit remastered...?)
It really is not my problem if you can't read and respond honestly to people.
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