Lefty friends now believe prisons are entirely black
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To be fair, I don't think this should happen. American companies should pay law abiding Americans fair market rates, not cheat with illegals/immigrants or prisoners. Prisoners should only work on things the taxpayer would pay for otherwise, or in industries the state already controls.
I honestly this should be fine as long as it is voluntary. Having a job, doing a good work and getting both a normal wage and maybe a reduced sentence may help some of this people
Well, then they should be paid minimum wage. Point is, I don't like the idea of corporations being able to pay one group of people less than they can legally pay your everyday person.
It's not "slave labor" like the leftists want to claim, but it does have certain similar economic outcomes, where jobs are shuffled away from people, to people who can be paid a lot less due to their circumstances.
To be clear, I want prisoners to be able to work, but everyday Americans shouldn't have to compete against them. Because they can't if they're getting paid almost nothing.
I'm always very suspicious when the state gets involved in business because, unless it's handled very delicately, it ends up being very unfair, often for everyone involved.
I agree and only want to add that a prison labor force provides an incentive to build more prisons and fill them.
Based on this lefty tweet, who clearly editorialized the word "lease", do you have any evidence that they're not making minimum wage? There's not even a link in the tweet.
I have found some stories claiming $0.60 an hour, but they're all lefty sources who still use the tearm "leasing" because they want to make it sound like slavery and they too blame anti-immigration laws.
It's odd, they apparently want immigrants to get paid the $0.60 an hour over prisoners, at least the prisoners get room and board.
just ask any one who's been to the prison, the pay is pennies and just enough to pay for some 'luxury' items in the commissary, the prisoners didn't sign up for making wages and saving money, but a chance to do something else and maybe get some good behavior points and not stuck in the prison bored out of their minds all day
Sure, but you know that these lefties aren't asking for prisoners to be paid a fair wage. They'd rather they get released to go rob some 7/11s and do heroin on the streets of San Francisco.
They just want more illegal immigration
Prisons shouldn't exist. If you've done something bad enough to be locked away for decades society is better off without you.
If you're talking death penalty, personally I disagree.
We just need to tighten up existing practices, and stop letting the violent repeat offenders out. But I'd much rather keep them in prison forever than kill them. Why? Because even executing one innocent person is monumental. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't really work. Criminals often have low impulse control; the fact they might be executed won't stop them from doing the crime, so life in prison (if actually performed well) versus execution have very similar practical outcomes, but allows for someone to be freed on the rare occasions innocence can be proven. The next reason is just that I don't think the government has or should have the power to kill its people.
Frankly, I just don't see much, if any, value in the death penalty. I get it's a satisfying meme, but I don't think it actually helps anything. We just need to stop the revolving door policy in our current system.
Exile. Send violent criminals to Africa, Antarctica, Siberia, or the Moon. Depending on their crime we can even let them apply for reentry again at some point in the future. (their negative merit points will of course place them below non-criminal applicants in priority)
The idea of redemption is a cornerstone of our civilization's foundations.
Most crimes that put you in prison are harmless enough to not warrant prison.
And the few crimes that warrant prison are sufficiently bad that you cannot be redeemed.
If someone is capable of redemption, let them redeem themselves through community service or restitution. Otherwise, let society redeem itself by getting rid of them.
Hard disagree, and I think it's a false dichotomy. Having a class of people that can be leased out for well under minimum wage hurts the rest of society. And I already said I'm not opposed to prisoners working, it just has to be either at competitive wages (in which case I don't see corporations going out of their way to hire prisoners anyway), or in sectors where the savings benefit the taxpayer.
But simply 'prisoners working' does not, in and of itself, benefit taxpayers, and can in fact negatively impact them.
As I said, the state getting involved in business - which is what prisoners working is - is a very tricky business, and must be handled with utmost care.
then it should have been written into the laws through the normal legislation processes, not something tacked on depending on the moods of wardens
Like infrastructure. Bring back the chain gang, and see how quickly recidivism drops.
In my opinion, prisoners should receive minimum pay for their work and should be able to vote in prison. Ex-prisoners should be able to buy guns and vote.
I'd say that ought to depend on the crime.
If they cant be trusted to live as free people and enjoy all the rights of free people then why are they freed?
You can't really trust anyone who's been in prison for a violent crime. So unless you want life imprisonment for fist fights (and there are plenty of young men who are in a fist fight every other week for years on end), you have to accept that releasing any criminal carries a risk of another offense.
You can't trust anyone, period.
Every offender is a first time offender at one point.
Crime spreads like a virus. Sure there can always be random outbreaks but by and large it comes from known infectious agents allowed to exist freely in the body of society.
Correct.
All you can do is assess risk.
Letting an impulsive jackass with anger management issues back on to the streets is a risk. Letting that same impulsive jackass buy a gun is a bigger risk.
Maybe the guy you release breaks someone's jaw 4 years down the line.
Or maybe he shoots someone dead.
One of those risks is more acceptable than the other.
Potentially. But I also don't really see the need, or much great benefit. A lot of the people locked up have shown they aren't willing to play by the rules of society, why should they help dictate said rules? The cases of injustice - while important - would get overshadowed by other prisoners voting anyway. Even if I agree in theory, I don't see much practical upside, so I don't necessarily have a problem in sticking with existing precedent and having prisoners lose some rights while in prison.
Absolutely. But we'd have to fix the prison system first, so only people who are actually ready to stop their criminal ways are being let out of prison. And I think maybe there should be an additional probationary period first, to make sure these released prisoners are reintegrating but, in theory, I'm totally in support of restoration of rights. If someone is let out, the message should be that they're ready to rejoin society. So they should get their rights back.
I never understood why they have to work outside instead of offsetting their cost by doing the work associated with their prison stay. And anyways it felt better when they were doing work for the state (like license plates - I'm suggesting in case doing prison work isn't practical). Since they were costing it so much money. Seems fair. Them working to profit some guy connected to the government is pretty fucked up. They should be repaying society or a victim; not some asshole.
"Prisons are legal slavery" is a leftist platitude, they're not actually communicating what those words mean to normal people when they say it.
Lefty people have a different understanding of slavery than probably anyone educated in a white school since desegregation.
That's because the MSM, Dems, and the libtards all love to talk about black people. It's their favorite fucking thing to discuss after themselves and their dogs. Even when they are talking about white people, it's about how they are affecting black people.
In their minds, all black people are animals. Criminals, dumb, violent, and ignorant. They and the stormcucks are the same god damn cunts in different colored klan robes.
You actually look at the statistics we like to bandiabout here for the lulz and meme, it's barely even a sliver of the black population who is involved in all those damn crimes. But the left hates facts almost as they hate a damned conservative 'nigger'.
I hate those articles that mention some pressing issue and the conclusion is always that it affects black people the most. You are right, it is annoying or the term underrepresented. I’m like who cares!
Leftist authoritarians with collectivist identity politics, whose ideology has failed literally every time it has been tried. Because it's a subvariant of communism and will never work.
Did I just describe the american left or the stüüürmfaggot wannabe nazis?
I really don't even care if you're just racist. It's when the fascism comes in and pretends it's right wing that we have a fucking moron problem.
Someone hasn’t read the amendment. Also how do they define anti immigration policy policies? Not having an open border?
farming equipment back on the menu, boys!
Show your lefty friends the Kamala_Harris_Collage.jpg
"Every last one of the collage images is an innocent individual, falsely imprisoned under orders of your alleged 'POC' VP."
Niggers
I mean in USA prisoners are literally slaves, i think even from legality standpoint
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
It could be; the constitution explicitly allows for it.