I honestly this should be fine as long as it is voluntary. Having a job, doing a good work and getting both a normal wage and maybe a reduced sentence may help some of this people
Well, then they should be paid minimum wage. Point is, I don't like the idea of corporations being able to pay one group of people less than they can legally pay your everyday person.
It's not "slave labor" like the leftists want to claim, but it does have certain similar economic outcomes, where jobs are shuffled away from people, to people who can be paid a lot less due to their circumstances.
To be clear, I want prisoners to be able to work, but everyday Americans shouldn't have to compete against them. Because they can't if they're getting paid almost nothing.
I'm always very suspicious when the state gets involved in business because, unless it's handled very delicately, it ends up being very unfair, often for everyone involved.
Based on this lefty tweet, who clearly editorialized the word "lease", do you have any evidence that they're not making minimum wage? There's not even a link in the tweet.
I have found some stories claiming $0.60 an hour, but they're all lefty sources who still use the tearm "leasing" because they want to make it sound like slavery and they too blame anti-immigration laws.
It's odd, they apparently want immigrants to get paid the $0.60 an hour over prisoners, at least the prisoners get room and board.
just ask any one who's been to the prison, the pay is pennies and just enough to pay for some 'luxury' items in the commissary, the prisoners didn't sign up for making wages and saving money, but a chance to do something else and maybe get some good behavior points and not stuck in the prison bored out of their minds all day
Sure, but you know that these lefties aren't asking for prisoners to be paid a fair wage. They'd rather they get released to go rob some 7/11s and do heroin on the streets of San Francisco.
If you're talking death penalty, personally I disagree.
We just need to tighten up existing practices, and stop letting the violent repeat offenders out. But I'd much rather keep them in prison forever than kill them. Why? Because even executing one innocent person is monumental. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't really work. Criminals often have low impulse control; the fact they might be executed won't stop them from doing the crime, so life in prison (if actually performed well) versus execution have very similar practical outcomes, but allows for someone to be freed on the rare occasions innocence can be proven. The next reason is just that I don't think the government has or should have the power to kill its people.
Frankly, I just don't see much, if any, value in the death penalty. I get it's a satisfying meme, but I don't think it actually helps anything. We just need to stop the revolving door policy in our current system.
It's better that prison inmates are forced labor than simply living off taxpayers.
Hard disagree, and I think it's a false dichotomy. Having a class of people that can be leased out for well under minimum wage hurts the rest of society. And I already said I'm not opposed to prisoners working, it just has to be either at competitive wages (in which case I don't see corporations going out of their way to hire prisoners anyway), or in sectors where the savings benefit the taxpayer.
But simply 'prisoners working' does not, in and of itself, benefit taxpayers, and can in fact negatively impact them.
As I said, the state getting involved in business - which is what prisoners working is - is a very tricky business, and must be handled with utmost care.
I honestly this should be fine as long as it is voluntary. Having a job, doing a good work and getting both a normal wage and maybe a reduced sentence may help some of this people
Well, then they should be paid minimum wage. Point is, I don't like the idea of corporations being able to pay one group of people less than they can legally pay your everyday person.
It's not "slave labor" like the leftists want to claim, but it does have certain similar economic outcomes, where jobs are shuffled away from people, to people who can be paid a lot less due to their circumstances.
To be clear, I want prisoners to be able to work, but everyday Americans shouldn't have to compete against them. Because they can't if they're getting paid almost nothing.
I'm always very suspicious when the state gets involved in business because, unless it's handled very delicately, it ends up being very unfair, often for everyone involved.
I agree and only want to add that a prison labor force provides an incentive to build more prisons and fill them.
Based on this lefty tweet, who clearly editorialized the word "lease", do you have any evidence that they're not making minimum wage? There's not even a link in the tweet.
I have found some stories claiming $0.60 an hour, but they're all lefty sources who still use the tearm "leasing" because they want to make it sound like slavery and they too blame anti-immigration laws.
It's odd, they apparently want immigrants to get paid the $0.60 an hour over prisoners, at least the prisoners get room and board.
just ask any one who's been to the prison, the pay is pennies and just enough to pay for some 'luxury' items in the commissary, the prisoners didn't sign up for making wages and saving money, but a chance to do something else and maybe get some good behavior points and not stuck in the prison bored out of their minds all day
Sure, but you know that these lefties aren't asking for prisoners to be paid a fair wage. They'd rather they get released to go rob some 7/11s and do heroin on the streets of San Francisco.
They just want more illegal immigration
Prisons shouldn't exist. If you've done something bad enough to be locked away for decades society is better off without you.
If you're talking death penalty, personally I disagree.
We just need to tighten up existing practices, and stop letting the violent repeat offenders out. But I'd much rather keep them in prison forever than kill them. Why? Because even executing one innocent person is monumental. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't really work. Criminals often have low impulse control; the fact they might be executed won't stop them from doing the crime, so life in prison (if actually performed well) versus execution have very similar practical outcomes, but allows for someone to be freed on the rare occasions innocence can be proven. The next reason is just that I don't think the government has or should have the power to kill its people.
Frankly, I just don't see much, if any, value in the death penalty. I get it's a satisfying meme, but I don't think it actually helps anything. We just need to stop the revolving door policy in our current system.
The idea of redemption is a cornerstone of our civilization's foundations.
Hard disagree, and I think it's a false dichotomy. Having a class of people that can be leased out for well under minimum wage hurts the rest of society. And I already said I'm not opposed to prisoners working, it just has to be either at competitive wages (in which case I don't see corporations going out of their way to hire prisoners anyway), or in sectors where the savings benefit the taxpayer.
But simply 'prisoners working' does not, in and of itself, benefit taxpayers, and can in fact negatively impact them.
As I said, the state getting involved in business - which is what prisoners working is - is a very tricky business, and must be handled with utmost care.
then it should have been written into the laws through the normal legislation processes, not something tacked on depending on the moods of wardens