Let's not do what leftists do and assume that everything happened first with us. 'Culture wars' have happened since mankind figured out reading and writing was an efficient way of recording knowledge. It's happened between religions, ideologies, kingdoms and empires, the only difference is how it has been fought either through force or conversion.
From a personal point, I think the left currently are done, their plans are failing more often, they are losing even acknowledgment from the normies and they are more prone to infighting than anything else. But that brings a new problem, damage control, the left unlike a lot of other failed ideologies and groups have no lifeboats, they don't have an out or a way to go back into the shadows. So they are going even harder, desperately trying to hold onto power because they know they'll face the wall (figuratively or literally) when they no longer have it.
So now it's literally a race in the west especially but all over the world to remove the leftists and their collaborators from any power before they can cause even more damage. That's my take but maybe others think the feminists win, China forms a worldwide empire or skynet takes over after having to listen to Twitter for a week. It just seems like the actions of the past 2 years especially is less of an organised, decades/century long plan and more 'throw as much shit at the wall as possible to hopefully damage our enemies'.
I am sure some on here would not agree, but I still stand by the theory of the world going forward that was laid out in a video I watched about a year ago. The TLDR is here, but I believe it because many of those have already started happening.
As for the culture war itself, I think we have already passed peak woke. With the lag that exist in the movie industry, most of what we have been seeing come out was done in 2018-2020, at the height of TDS and Woke Outrage. But according to people in the industry (like Chris Gore), many of these companies are starting to walk back their policies.
They cant keep denying the success of things like Top Gun, or that Disney has lost ground to Illumination and Dreamworks (who had successful animated movies while Disney bombed last year). They cant keep denying that foreign entertainment like Manga, Anime, and even foreign movies are starting to make a dent if they havent eaten significant chunks (apparently RRR being a financial success rattled them). And no matter how much their PR and Marketing teams try to tell them otherwise, they can no longer deny that Woke is failing. Or did you think it a coincidence that PR/HR/Marketing are the ones getting slammed in the current layoffs. Think of the upcoming D&D movie: Yes, we know that everything they are doing is woke, no matter how much they are trying to deny it. But that they are desperately trying to deny it (including by name!) shows that they realize being called "woke" is brand poison, and they will try to avoid it. We arent at the point yet where they know what it means to avoid it, but they are trying.
Meanwhile, you are starting to see more and more "anti-woke" appearing spaces. Not necessarily "based", and dont expect that to change yet. But consider that one of the biggest songs on the radio for a significant time was an explicitly anti-woke song, and its not the only one.
Until I see solid evidence to the contrary, I stand by my theory that we are living in the "History doesnt repeat, it rhymes" version of the 1970's. We have Black Nationalist movements in ascendance thinking that they can go genocide Whitey and implement their tribal utopia (with growing resentment towards blacks from every other race due to that fact). We have unrestrained crime and drugs in the big cities. We have domestic politicians and business leaders trying to sell us out to our enemies for their own personal gain, even though the people dont want that. And on and on. The only difference is that in the '70's, film had started moving out of the Hayes Code era into an era of Classics, so we are behind the ball on that one. But I think 2020 was, much like 1976, their last shove they could do. And now 2024 will be the pushback. Who will be Reagan in this theory? Dont know, but personally I think its leaning toward DeSantis with Trump being the "Nixon".
EDIT: I would like to say though: This theory all applies to the United States. The simple fact of the matter is Europe never recovered mentally from the World Wars and has been in the equivalent of civilizational-level depression since, and it really does seem like they want to die. Meanwhile, the US has been characterized by going down kicking and screaming and actually putting up a fight to where they might take back the power.
The difference is in 1970s we didnt have democrats dumping fake ballots in broad daylight. they will just do the same thing again. Desantis is no different from bush jr
JFK and the mob say "Nixon was properly paranoid." Tammany Hall says "Are we a joke to you?" The Dems even back in the Civil War era say "It's just that easy."
The Democrats have been stuffing ballots literally since their founding. They have never stopped. Its just a matter of getting someone so overwhelming popular it overwhelms their attempts to rig it.
Not necessarily, but they have engaged in gross ballet stuffing that is probably on par in terms of faked votes. The issue with with trying to pull that sort of stuff outside of smaller local elections in the US (which is partly why places like Chicago and NYC have been Dem for 100+ years) is two-fold historically speaking:
Its EXPENSIVE to pull of that much bullshit, so it has a tendency of "It works until it doesnt." And the bigger the gap they have to overcome, the more expensive it gets.
There is actually a tendency of the person who got screwed to come roaring back and win their next go around because they and their supporters are pissed by being cheated. Both Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon were screwed out of the presidency by cheating, and both of them won their next elections in overwhelming landslides, after their supporters won Congressional seats and raised hell against the ones who screwed them.
Incidentally, on that note, if we are going with my "Nu-70's" timeline, we are already doing better in that regard. Because Carter and the Dems gained seats in the 1978 midterm, even in the face of Carter's historically low approval and a general distaste about the direction of the country. At least with 2022, the Republicans actually got a [narrow] House majority.
Chris Gore is really good. Overall I agree with your statement.
Falling In Reverse is interesting. A couple of the songs were very reminiscent of Tom MacDonald, others are more mid-2000s rock/pop-metal trend.
Within 5 years the ramifications of mRNA technology being widely implemented will succeed in destroying birth rates among most first world countries.
Between the 'medication' the lockdowns and the fascism gripping the world there's not a lot of time left for humanity in its current form. Voting out is no longer a feasible option, that route has been taken away. Within a few decades there won't be any gun rights or freedom of speech or assembly, at which point we'll be Rome.
We all know what happened to Rome. I expect we'll need to take money from foreign governments who handled the crisis better and wants their pound of flesh, so the descent to a 2nd world nation would be complete.
The rich will get richer, the middle class and poor will become just the poor, and they will declare victory because why wouldn't they, at that point it'd be a state run media and totally censored internet so who would know any better?
This is communism not fascism. At leaat fascism wouldnt have allowed blm
Badly and bloodily for all involved, or badly and slowly for all but the elites.
I think the pendulum will swing back to some degree. The problem is too many normies, and younger folk are so indoctrinated that they think absolute tolerance and compassion can run a society. They lack the ability to predict outcomes based on patterns/critical thinking. They rely completely on external narratives and validation. Their only form of expression is 'being a good boy or girl' and picking some state-sponsored pronouns to try and feel different from the lockstep mob they are in.
I'm fine with tolerance and compassion, but I can also notice when it's being taken advantage of. It's like how most boomers have no natural defense from internet/tech scams in their email/browsers, a lot of millennials and zoomers have no defense from narcissists and sociopaths. School indoctrination has hammered into them, don't stand out, don't rock the boat, go along to get along. Social media has then enshrined that tenet. Now chicks wont even call out dudes stealing their scholarships. Hey, I just stole 6 years of your life from you (training and time) but if you complain you're a Nazi.
Normies swing with the pendulum, it's what makes them normies. The same people buying into the current degenerate nonsense unquestioningly, many of them will buy into the other side's argument when the swing occurs.
It's both encouraging and depressing. These people don't think, they don't really have principles. You can't argue with them, you can't convince them. But they'll go along with what the most amplified ten percent think.
Tolerance to Communism is a weakness that can't be abided.
In the physical world, tolerances too tight leads to a machine that cannot perform its function, while tolerances too loose leads to a machine that fails catastrophically.
Not all that different from society.
There's a phrase that I've become really, really fond of as of late;
'Remember, tolerance isn't a moral absolute. It's a peace treaty. It is also not a suicide pact.'
The Great Collapse is coming, and it is going to cause a cascade failure in wokeness the same way that Communism's collapse did.
Even a die hard anti-Communist would not have believed that within 5 years almost every Communist state on Earth would collapse, with effectively no major wars. Even the Soviet Union's last coup was contained to a few government buildings and a single gunfight (and, er, maybe 2-3 tank rounds). Certainly, you would assume that Communists would detonate nuclear weapons in every country, rather than lose control. But even if they wanted to, the cascade failure is so quick that there's no time to even respond.
As the economy collapses, real deflation won't be avoided, and it's going to be brutal for the Social Justice Racket, which is a massive political make-work project for Communists and National Socialists to give their loyalty to the Fabian Socialist International Order. But that money is going to dry up when everyone's housing prices fall by 80%, and your pensions disappear. Combine that with the broken trust of institutions, the foundation scam of the money supply (permanent debt loyalty), can't be funded, and those rackets can't be maintained.
As each industry starts purging wokeness because political loyalty doesn't guarantee monetary survival, the whole cultural structure will collapse in on itself.
Economic collapse gives us multiple benefits: deflation causes our savings to finally increase in purchasing power (meaning Americans will suddenly feel wealthier, after the initial collapse, in the worse economic situation they've ever seen), industries that aren't responsive to consumers will have no funding to hold themselves together, make work jobs can't be sustained (that means all DIE programs), the biggest corporations will suddenly implode, the globalists and their mercenary immigrants will flee like rats running from a sinking ship, inter-generational wealth being the most important form of social mobility means that families will be inherently incentivized, etc.
Yes, some people will lose their jobs. Most of those people should lose their jobs because their industries and corporations are wrong anyway. They call recessions "corrections" in economic terms, because the financial market became divorced from reality and needed to correct to reality.
This doesn't mean the end of Leftism, but for a moment it will certainly feel like it. Not even China gets to get out of this clean. They would be so badly economically destabilized that the government might either: collapse, go to war to try and plunder Taiwan/South Korea/India, or break down into a Civil War.
The next fight will be in the emergence of the 4th Great Awakening Movement, and Leftism will basically reset itself as full-on Liberation Theology.
I'm not as optimistic as you. I see some backlash towards DIE but this does not mean it will go away any time soon. At best it will be less obvious or rather not advertised as much but it will still be there. Affirmative actions will continue no matter what happens. White replacement will accelerate even more. Education is still a leftist indoctrination machine, the media is still a propaganda arm of wokeism and I see the "center left" people reacting to mentioning anything related to race as a vampire to sunlight.
I think the left will push forward and win.
In 20 years, Europe will be divided just as much as US, immigration will make sure the left stays in power no matter what.
There is going to be a collapse do to infighting and economics that white people will lose horribly.
Once that period ends I think it will get better and people will start acting normal around each other for a while while sometimes mentioning about the horrible alt right racists that did all this.
I just pray my kids will get thru this period ok.
I think TPTB (add as many ('s and )'s as youd like) will frame flip a ton of stuff on leftists in order to entice european-descendant males to travel across the world to murder each other.
My short answer. How do I think it will end? I think the collectivists will continue to win, and the traditional Rationalist/Individualist/Christian Europe tradition will continue to die a slow death. I think the cultural degeneracy we've seen in the the west will continue to evolve, and with global population growth (except in sub-Saharan Africa) plummeting, with all nations facing stagnant or shrinking populations, shit is going to get weird.
Ok, black pill, maybe, but what am I going to do about it? I'm doing everything I can to prepare myself, my family, and my children. All I can do is that hope that I have prepared financial resources but MOST IMPORTANTLY the intellectual foundation that gives my kids--and hopefully any of their descendants--the chance to be immune to left mindvirus.
It's a chance. Not a guarantee.
It will end when the West collapses because the diversity imported to replace Europeans will not maintain our civilisations and cultures as we dwindle to a smaller and smaller minority.
Then the bloodbaths from armed gangs looting and killing eachothers when the gibs run out and the farms stop delivering food. Then whatever is left looking like the 18th century with a sprinkling of cyberpunk.
If they can't fix their birth rates, China will decline but won't collapse, since they didn't import a ticking timebomb.
It never ends
How are the left done when they will just cheat their way back to power? Biden proved liberals can cheat in daylight with fake ballot dumps and nothing will be done to stop them. Liberals already collapsed the us economy and keep retaining more power. Unless you stop the fraud, the liberal democrats will retain power and enforce woke doctrine like the bolsheviks did.
Yes.
I agree and this will be the end of the woke left, as long as the corporate trend of rejecting DIE policies continues and more timorous academics grow the balls needed to complain.
They simply have nothing to offer but conflict and chaos, and many who really don't care one way or another ("normies") are being harassed and fucked over, especially by the troon contingent.
I sense a backlash building.
I don't know how I personally see things ending, but there are interesting theories in this thread to be sure.
Also for any Catholics, do any of you believe in the illumination of conscience and the three days of darkness? I am not sure if I believe in it or not, but I listened to Taylor Marshall's podcast about it and it was interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4xD5xJ_ws
With the west descending into tyranny or civil war.
If the globalists succeed in supressing their enemies, it will cause an emigration crisis that may cause them to seal the boarders to prevent labor and brain drain.
If the dissident right get into power and disenfranchise globalist conspirators and regressive leftists, the regressive left will likely start a civil war. There is also the possibility that globalists will have corrupt private military contractors fire on police forces loyal to us as they try to escape prosecution.
The "Left" are operating on a plan that has a coherent strategy. DEI is gradually being replaced by "sustainability" which is a direct implementation of a weak marxist economic situation. You will start seeing the phrases "donut economy" or "circular" economy as "sustainability" becomes the new buzz word.
The DIE shit will still be there, it just won't be pushed as much because it's achieved it's objectives. There is an identified oppressed class, and the education system ensures that new recruits are constantly being pushed out.
marxist revolutions require a vanguard class, if it's not the proletariat, it's racial minorities, if not those then the sexual minorities. They have that, now they are working on an incremental implementation of their economic system. And they have all the organs of power to cover up it's inevitable failure.
That's the same thing, you're just not seeing it.
Where it will end? it will end where it always ends, lots of death and misery. Hopefully not the worst part where marxist death squads go down lists of names in neighbourhoods, because we're all on those lists.
Idk, but one thing I do know is that it's probably going to be violent, and I'm going to have an awfully hard time surviving it given how broke I am.
You don't even have to go back through history to see it. It's happening all over the place. Just look at Israel, Slavs, literally any African nation, the middle east, NYC, LA, etc.
The only places free of this sort of violence currently are homogeneous cultures like Japan.