Honestly, “mostly _____” deserves to be a recurring joke. Fat body positive models are “mostly healthy,” Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are “mostly sane,” and so on. News outlets are “mostly unbiased.”
East Palestine is 13 miles North of the Ohio River and 13 miles West of Beaver river, which feeds into the Ohio river. Any critically important farms or ranches that draw their water down river can be affected.
This is kind of a battle of pedantry here. No the surface water wasn't safe 24 hours after a chemical train derailed. No the surface water isn't safe now. What the government is saying is that your well water is safe because the chemicals are being carried in surface water.
Now, do I believe that entirely? No. But they aren't pretending that the creek water is perfectly fine either.
Another comment there said it was just "burning polyvinyl chloride" so largely harmless. It wasn't poly vinyl chloride, it was the monomer vinyl chloride, which is a hazardous gas itself (exposure limit 1ppm) and turns into hydrogen chloride and phosgene when burned, which are also nasty.
Try to move it somewhere else, and causing the same problems elsewhere?
I get the outrage, but unless you have solutions, fuck off. This shit is statistically going to happen, and all we can do is manage it when it does.
And yes, they're vastly under stating the problems. They always do. They're going to get sued, and ns is going to take it up the ass pretty hard from lawsuits and the government both.
You know, when nuclear waste is transported it’s put in a concrete sarcophagus that is engineered to survive train derailments. There should be some more thought put into how we transport chemicals like this that are seemingly just as dangerous as nuclear waste.
Yep, and it's meant to be not taken out of that concrete, or if it is, by special tools in a controlled circumstance, vs chemicals which might react poorly with concrete or other materials and need to be stored and transported with the intent to get them out more easily by the end buyer (or seller).
It's almost like there are different tools for different jobs.
Feel free to design a container that can survive a derailment that meets the needs of everyone involved, and/or call your senators/rep about higher federal standards.
I’m not sure why you’re being so snarky. I wasn’t saying to stick pressurized gas into concrete that would be ridiculous. This is a really catastrophic event, the effects will be felt throughout the whole country, even maybe abroad depending on where the wind is taking the smoke. It would have been nice if more thought was put into the transportation of these volatile chemicals.
Going back to my prior point, feel free to design a better container, or lobby people to make higher standards. Until then, bitching about it doesn't change anything, and won't.
Poison, but mostly potable water.
Honestly, “mostly _____” deserves to be a recurring joke. Fat body positive models are “mostly healthy,” Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are “mostly sane,” and so on. News outlets are “mostly unbiased.”
Good point. "I may drink alcohol like a fish, but i don't smoke and I am a vegan. That makes me 'mostly healthy.'"
A mostly peaceful protest over this would get treated the way the canadian cuck guy treated truckers during the honkening
So I should probably ask, how many critically important farms and ranches were near this?
Eastern Ohio is mostly dead steel mills, most of the farmland is on the Western side of the state IIRC.
Pretty much. Palestine is in the heart the rust belt.
East Palestine is 13 miles North of the Ohio River and 13 miles West of Beaver river, which feeds into the Ohio river. Any critically important farms or ranches that draw their water down river can be affected.
"Don't worry, the LD50 is low enough you'd have to live there for it to matter."
"Uh..."
Get a testing kit, test your own water. Stop relying on anyone else to tell you about your own resources.
Floating fish carcasses are just part and parcel of living in a clean river
This is kind of a battle of pedantry here. No the surface water wasn't safe 24 hours after a chemical train derailed. No the surface water isn't safe now. What the government is saying is that your well water is safe because the chemicals are being carried in surface water.
Now, do I believe that entirely? No. But they aren't pretending that the creek water is perfectly fine either.
Posted about this a few days ago and the local glowies said it was just 'hippies talking', lol.
Another comment there said it was just "burning polyvinyl chloride" so largely harmless. It wasn't poly vinyl chloride, it was the monomer vinyl chloride, which is a hazardous gas itself (exposure limit 1ppm) and turns into hydrogen chloride and phosgene when burned, which are also nasty.
Counterpoint: what do you want them to do?
Not transport chemicals by rail?
Leave what could be a bomb there to explode?
Try to move it somewhere else, and causing the same problems elsewhere?
I get the outrage, but unless you have solutions, fuck off. This shit is statistically going to happen, and all we can do is manage it when it does.
And yes, they're vastly under stating the problems. They always do. They're going to get sued, and ns is going to take it up the ass pretty hard from lawsuits and the government both.
It's not about the accident. It is the lack of coverage and the government itself downplaying the possible aftereffects.
Its doing what china did. Downplaying it and hope its someone else is responsible, can fix it or dissapear. All governments do this.
It's the government. If you're shocked by that, you're as retarded as the leftists are.
You know, when nuclear waste is transported it’s put in a concrete sarcophagus that is engineered to survive train derailments. There should be some more thought put into how we transport chemicals like this that are seemingly just as dangerous as nuclear waste.
My understanding is that this train was intentionally misclassified as not carrying hazardous materials so they could run it faster.
Yep, and it's meant to be not taken out of that concrete, or if it is, by special tools in a controlled circumstance, vs chemicals which might react poorly with concrete or other materials and need to be stored and transported with the intent to get them out more easily by the end buyer (or seller).
It's almost like there are different tools for different jobs.
Feel free to design a container that can survive a derailment that meets the needs of everyone involved, and/or call your senators/rep about higher federal standards.
I’m not sure why you’re being so snarky. I wasn’t saying to stick pressurized gas into concrete that would be ridiculous. This is a really catastrophic event, the effects will be felt throughout the whole country, even maybe abroad depending on where the wind is taking the smoke. It would have been nice if more thought was put into the transportation of these volatile chemicals.
Because it's a retarded point.
"Guys, maybe letting hazmat fuck shit up is bad"
You don't fucking say.
Going back to my prior point, feel free to design a better container, or lobby people to make higher standards. Until then, bitching about it doesn't change anything, and won't.
Not lying would be a start. Not arresting journalists covering it would be too.