He is, to the extent that he points to evidence of the vaccine being a net negative for young healthy people, and then says we should stop vaxxing people like 80 year olds who have a 20% chance from dying of COVID.
If he just said "we should stop vaxxing young, healthy people" that would be reasonable and also old news, since Joe Rogan said it in early 2021, almost 2 years ago.
I have a couple of retarded comments of his saved in a folder for posterity. He reminds me of the kind of people who were gung-ho supporters of the Iraq war even after it was obvious it was a catastrophe.
I'm pretty sure he told us he was at some point. Am I supposed to assume everyone is lying to me by default? Have you secretly been a white nationalist this entire time Tony?
LOL you think I sound like a stormfag? I fight with them all the time on here. I do sometimes point out "da joos" in certain contexts because I reject the jewish-imposed bullshit about calling every mention of the jew "anti-semitism". I also totally oppose the atheistic jews that are over-represented in the left wing elite. However, I also favorably link to Ben Shapiro, who triggers the hell out of the stormfag types on here. I don't believe the jews have some sort of evil global conspiracy, just that left wing atheistic jews tend to be very overrepresented in certain areas like the entertainment industry and media. And most of the lefty jews hate Israel while most right wing Americans support Israel.
Obviously I'm not a jew, I'm Christian, specially eastern orthodox.
80 year olds who have a 20% chance from dying of COVID
Please share your data that shows that 20% of them die if they have covid. The real number is nowhere near that high.
Besides that, the death rate of covid has no bearing on whether or not the "vaccines" work or not. They simply do not prevent you from getting covid and don't make it any better for you if you do.
Besides that, the death rate of covid has no bearing on whether or not the "vaccines" work or not. They simply do not prevent you from getting covid and don't make it any better for you if you do.
And can you tell us how many of those patients' deaths were the result of medical malpractice via useless ventilators and remdesivir and counted as "COVID" deaths?
Ahahahaha. So as of a time when the notion that COVID has an aggregate death rate of a few percent was the mainstream perception??
I know you're better than this.
A debate could be had whether for some very specific sections of the population it might be worth it, but citing numbers like that really don't do much to make anyone think you're acting in good faith.
"hahaha" the research i cited to was published Sep 22 2022, so recently.
So as of a time when the notion that COVID has an aggregate death rate of a few percent was the mainstream perception??
Yes, and? The "public perception" driven by the lying media is not relevant to scientific research. These scientific studies of the death rates among the elderly are based on real data.
And well-informed people like me knew that the case fatality rate estimates were more like 0.2% even back in May 2020, because I read a lot of research on the subject instead of getting my info from the libtard media. Credible ranges for the CFR in the early days ranged from 0.2% to 0.5%, and as time went on the overall rate became clearer to be on the lower end of that range.
All of the links I cited to you are credible, and you've offered nothing to the contrary. Don't talk to me about "good faith". You're not it.
I guess this sub loves jews as long as they're anti-vaxx. lol.
FYI the only evidence he cites is for healthy young people. This is old news. We have known for a long time that healthy young people should not get COVID vaxxed. Joe Rogan said this years ago.
Oh yeah, because OBVIOUSLY it’s safe and healthy for old frail people to take if it harms young healthy people. Grow a brain and stop believing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Covid is a motherfucking cold.
It’s because it’s so tiresome to explain for the billionth time the conflation of deaths WITH covid with deaths FROM covid, which is where these overblown statistics come from. At this point, it’s easier to let the brainwashed germaphobes just rot in their little hypochondriac propaganda echo chambers and shore up your personal defences.
Some European governments differentiate hospital admittance by 'with' vs. 'from' COVID. Although by this point, COVID is so minimal that it doesn't even matter.
Nothing wrong with being a germaphobe. But Covid is just a bad reason to be one.
Despite the loud screeching of the barely sentient wehraboo faggots, they are a minority even here. They are only here because they can speak almost nowhere else.
Yes, this board is mostly not retarded collectivists, and capable of recognizing individual people instead of seeing a background trait. Because we're not leftists.
No 'stormfag' hates all jews. That's just insane. There are a group of you guys (you, Gizortnik, Imp) that are constantly straw-manning that sophomoric idea. Why? You can't possibly feel clever saying something so ludicrous.
Oh, and I dislike Glenn Greenwald, not because of the jew thing, but because of the gay 'parent' thing. Although I'm sure that he, in particular, is a great parent.
No 'stormfag' hates all jews. That's just insane. There are a group of you guys (you, Gizortnik, Imp) that are constantly straw-manning that sophomoric idea. Why? You can't possibly feel clever saying something so ludicrous.
It's not about feeling clever (why would you feel clever saying that anyway). It is what they genuinely seem to believe, at least at times.
If they don't, I guess they need to distinguish themselves from other people, because if they said "I hate the ruling classes! I hate them when they're Jewish and when they're not Jewish." No one would disagree.
Oh, and I dislike Glenn Greenwald, not because of the jew thing, but because of the gay 'parent' thing. Although I'm sure that he, in particular, is a great parent.
Well, that is a better reason to dislike someone. But at least he adopted some poor kids instead of reprehensibly creating new life.
I guess this sub loves jews as long as they're anti-vaxx. lol.
Yeah, I noticed that too. That said, I don't think they are "anti-vaxx" (though I often use it as a shorthand as well), but specifically against this vaccine. Haven't seen too many people oppose the polio vaccine.
Professor Retsef Levi has been opposed to the vaccine from the very beginning. So this is not exactly new. In fact, I guessed it was him when I saw the title.
Rare is an amazing word these days. It can simultaneously mean common, as in breakthru cases, but then exceedingly rare (allegedly) for side effects and death. "Rare's" definition seems to change dramatically depending on the state's whim.
What a craaazzy aNtivAxXEr!
He is, to the extent that he points to evidence of the vaccine being a net negative for young healthy people, and then says we should stop vaxxing people like 80 year olds who have a 20% chance from dying of COVID.
If he just said "we should stop vaxxing young, healthy people" that would be reasonable and also old news, since Joe Rogan said it in early 2021, almost 2 years ago.
This poster is a pure idiot. Whether controlled by opposition or just naturally retarded we will never know. But here he is for your observation.
I have a couple of retarded comments of his saved in a folder for posterity. He reminds me of the kind of people who were gung-ho supporters of the Iraq war even after it was obvious it was a catastrophe.
He is a jew.
He isn't. Hell, normally he sounds very much like you Stormfags.
I'm pretty sure he told us he was at some point. Am I supposed to assume everyone is lying to me by default? Have you secretly been a white nationalist this entire time Tony?
I doubt very much that he ever told you.
But just to settle matters.
/u/dekachin - are you one of the Evil Juice? This guy believes he remembers that you once told him.
As for me, leftists have regularly told me that I'm a racist, neo-Nazi white supremacist, so I guess... yeah?
LOL you think I sound like a stormfag? I fight with them all the time on here. I do sometimes point out "da joos" in certain contexts because I reject the jewish-imposed bullshit about calling every mention of the jew "anti-semitism". I also totally oppose the atheistic jews that are over-represented in the left wing elite. However, I also favorably link to Ben Shapiro, who triggers the hell out of the stormfag types on here. I don't believe the jews have some sort of evil global conspiracy, just that left wing atheistic jews tend to be very overrepresented in certain areas like the entertainment industry and media. And most of the lefty jews hate Israel while most right wing Americans support Israel.
Obviously I'm not a jew, I'm Christian, specially eastern orthodox.
The clot shot does nothing good and there is no point in anyone taking it.
Please share your data that shows that 20% of them die if they have covid. The real number is nowhere near that high.
Besides that, the death rate of covid has no bearing on whether or not the "vaccines" work or not. They simply do not prevent you from getting covid and don't make it any better for you if you do.
I did not say all 80 year olds have a 20% chance, but some do, or higher, depending on their health factors.
Of course it is.
"The elderly population suffered the greatest impact from the pandemic, with a 21.8% lethality in Spain as of 29 May 2020 in patients over 80 years of age... High mortality rate in this age group has been observed constantly throughout the world, with lethalities ranging from 14.8%, referred in the first publications from China [4,5], to 26.4% mentioned in the Bonanad et al. meta-analysis [6], or 55.4% reported in the first Spanish hospital cohort published in this country [7]."
So the bolded part above is a lie.
Unvaccinated death rate is far higher despite the population skewing younger and lower risk.
"In August 2022, the risk of dying from COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults compared with adults who received a primary series was 9 times higher for adults aged 65–79 years and 4 times higher for adults aged ≥80 years."
Cutting your risk of death by 75% means any older person would be a fool to not get the vaccine.
And can you tell us how many of those patients' deaths were the result of medical malpractice via useless ventilators and remdesivir and counted as "COVID" deaths?
Have you even asked that question?
Wasn't that made clear very early on that a lot of people who died, died because of the ventilators? And I mean mid 2020.
Ahahahaha. So as of a time when the notion that COVID has an aggregate death rate of a few percent was the mainstream perception??
I know you're better than this.
A debate could be had whether for some very specific sections of the population it might be worth it, but citing numbers like that really don't do much to make anyone think you're acting in good faith.
"hahaha" the research i cited to was published Sep 22 2022, so recently.
Yes, and? The "public perception" driven by the lying media is not relevant to scientific research. These scientific studies of the death rates among the elderly are based on real data.
And well-informed people like me knew that the case fatality rate estimates were more like 0.2% even back in May 2020, because I read a lot of research on the subject instead of getting my info from the libtard media. Credible ranges for the CFR in the early days ranged from 0.2% to 0.5%, and as time went on the overall rate became clearer to be on the lower end of that range.
All of the links I cited to you are credible, and you've offered nothing to the contrary. Don't talk to me about "good faith". You're not it.
No no no! Not this expert!
He's gonna get cancelled, no?
Oh, they said "unprecedented". Take a drink!
I guess this sub loves jews as long as they're anti-vaxx. lol.
FYI the only evidence he cites is for healthy young people. This is old news. We have known for a long time that healthy young people should not get COVID vaxxed. Joe Rogan said this years ago.
Oh yeah, because OBVIOUSLY it’s safe and healthy for old frail people to take if it harms young healthy people. Grow a brain and stop believing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Covid is a motherfucking cold.
The vaccine risks are tiny compared to the enormous risks of COVID in high risk populations.
Sure, a cold that kills a huge percentage of old people: "The elderly population suffered the greatest impact from the pandemic, with a 21.8% lethality in Spain as of 29 May 2020 in patients over 80 years of age... High mortality rate in this age group has been observed constantly throughout the world, with lethalities ranging from 14.8%, referred in the first publications from China [4,5], to 26.4% mentioned in the Bonanad et al. meta-analysis [6], or 55.4% reported in the first Spanish hospital cohort published in this country [7]."
No one can refute it, but everyone dislikes it. Almost as if it's not based on any sort of rationality.
It’s because it’s so tiresome to explain for the billionth time the conflation of deaths WITH covid with deaths FROM covid, which is where these overblown statistics come from. At this point, it’s easier to let the brainwashed germaphobes just rot in their little hypochondriac propaganda echo chambers and shore up your personal defences.
Some European governments differentiate hospital admittance by 'with' vs. 'from' COVID. Although by this point, COVID is so minimal that it doesn't even matter.
Nothing wrong with being a germaphobe. But Covid is just a bad reason to be one.
Any medicine is a risk/benefit question.
If the benefits are close to zero, even tiny risks would be unacceptable.
If the benefits are large, correspondingly larger risks are acceptable.
That said, rates of myocarditis are much lower in the older population, so yeah.
Despite the loud screeching of the barely sentient wehraboo faggots, they are a minority even here. They are only here because they can speak almost nowhere else.
Yes, this board is mostly not retarded collectivists, and capable of recognizing individual people instead of seeing a background trait. Because we're not leftists.
Yes, I have noticed that almost no one dislikes Glenn Greenwald, even though he's a Jewish, gay leftist. Secretly, they may not hate Jews after all.
No 'stormfag' hates all jews. That's just insane. There are a group of you guys (you, Gizortnik, Imp) that are constantly straw-manning that sophomoric idea. Why? You can't possibly feel clever saying something so ludicrous.
Oh, and I dislike Glenn Greenwald, not because of the jew thing, but because of the gay 'parent' thing. Although I'm sure that he, in particular, is a great parent.
It's not about feeling clever (why would you feel clever saying that anyway). It is what they genuinely seem to believe, at least at times.
If they don't, I guess they need to distinguish themselves from other people, because if they said "I hate the ruling classes! I hate them when they're Jewish and when they're not Jewish." No one would disagree.
Well, that is a better reason to dislike someone. But at least he adopted some poor kids instead of reprehensibly creating new life.
Yeah, I noticed that too. That said, I don't think they are "anti-vaxx" (though I often use it as a shorthand as well), but specifically against this vaccine. Haven't seen too many people oppose the polio vaccine.
Professor Retsef Levi has been opposed to the vaccine from the very beginning. So this is not exactly new. In fact, I guessed it was him when I saw the title.
Rare is an amazing word these days. It can simultaneously mean common, as in breakthru cases, but then exceedingly rare (allegedly) for side effects and death. "Rare's" definition seems to change dramatically depending on the state's whim.