It seems like to me they wanted him on board just to take him down. It was a complete setup.
That would be suicide. Maybe people are interested in making money, and not some weird conspiracy to 'take someone down' for literally no reason.
YouTube has been keeping the little person on the right from speaking and it’s time for everyone that is for free speech to move away from YouTube.
That is a bad idea as well. Like it or not, Youtube now has most users, and you want to tap into that, and not limit yourself to people who already agree with you - while at the same time trying to set up alternatives like Rumble and DW+.
This community has lost their mind on this issue; they're not thinking rationally. People hate the Daily Wire and "the Jews" so much that anyone who calls them out are automatically the good guys.
Crowder is clearly in the wrong here, and there's a good chance he's deliberately manufacturing this controversy for his own benefit and not just because he's "fighting for the next guy". He's not the hero people believe him to be.
on this issue; they're not thinking rationally. People hate the Daily Wire and "the Jews" so much that anyone who calls them out are automatically the good guys.
I do see people who don't hate "the Jews" siding with Crowder, so it's not just that. And I do lean more towards Crowder myself. But I also see that DW has a valid point as well (and I am a sub, so I don't hate DW).
Crowder is clearly in the wrong here
I'd say that anyone who says that anyone is "clearly in the wrong" is not thinking about it objectively. They both have valid points, because it is not an issue to which there is an easy solution.
I don’t see how anyone can do their research and not think Crowder is clearly in the wrong.
There’s zero evidence on Crowder’s side for his two big claims: 1) DW is cow-towing to big tech, and 2) DW is harming up-and-coming creators. No evidence. Zero. Please, someone show me the evidence, because I’ve thoroughly researched this topic and I haven’t found any whatsoever.
On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence to contradict these claims. DW employee testimonies. Testimonies of people who’ve worked with DW and Crowder. Testimonies of people who’ve work in the industry. Testimonies of people familiar with multi-million dollar contracts. It’s all there.
The people who are standing behind Crowder all seem to be smaller independent creators who’ve never seen a contract like this in their lives or those who have a bone to pick with DW.
Even if Crowder was correct about DW and “Big Con”, his behavior has been unprofessional and childish. At very least everyone on both sides seems to agree the recording of his friend without his knowledge was a bad move.
I cannot find a way Crowder comes out of this looking good.
There’s zero evidence on Crowder’s side for his two big claims: 1) DW is cow-towing to big tech, and 2) DW is harming up-and-coming creators. No evidence. Zero. Please, someone show me the evidence, because I’ve thoroughly researched this topic and I haven’t found any whatsoever.
This seems pretty obvious. If you penalize your own employees for being censored by Big Tech, you are punishing them, harming them, and kowtowing to Big Tech.
The issue is that DW is not creating this problem, but merely responding to it.
If you penalize your own employees for being censored by Big Tech, you are punishing them, harming them, and kowtowing to Big Tech.
Except there’s no evidence of this happening.
If DW and Crowder both lose revenue due to YouTube censorship, how is this “punishment”? All the terms say is that a percentage of Crowder’s “salary” is based on social media revenue. This is extremely common in these types of contracts. There are entire industries where compensation is split between guaranteed salary and performance based compensation.
Crowder isn’t an idiot. He knows all this. He’s built his livelihood on YouTube. Crowder self-censors to remain on YouTube. He knows exactly what DW was proposing; that’s the entire crux of his statement that DW should change their business model.
All the terms say is that a percentage of Crowder’s “salary” is based on social media revenue.
It's a fixed cut, not a revenue share. I doubt 10% from his salary comes from Instagram or whatever, but he'll still get $5,000,000 less if he is banned there.
People who only care about money are incapable of comprehending that someone can care about something besides money. It's why Candace Owens lost her mind in total hysteria for 30 minutes on Tim Pool and why almost NOBODY is talking about the actual issue, but only talks about money.
And it's why like 95% of conservatives are worthless. You can just drive by their house and see their mountains of "Keeping up with the Joneses" expensive toys and understand that that's someone who has zero principles and will do anything for a shekel.
Even though it's not really about the money, people need to understand just how evil that contract DW makes their talent sign really is.
In Hollywood, 99% of actors are getting paid some type of scale. Meaning, you get paid no matter what. You aren't making residuals off the movie, but even if the movie never gets released, you still took home a paycheck. Only the absolute premier talent gets residuals.
There isn't an actor in Hollywood whose pay is docked if the movie flops. All risk is assumed by the publisher.
Daily Wire is pushing all risk on their talent, and they are paying their talent scale, while they pocket all the extra profit. Meaning if Crowder's show is a runaway success and brings in way more money than they thought, he doesn't see a dime of it. Yet if his show is a flop, he loses everything.
Even if the entire Daily Wire, every single host, all of it, were to be fully deleted from the internet, they still have DW+ income and advertisers (who will be paying less, admittedly, but they still have like a 600K+ subs), yet all their operating expenses drop 95% because they can quit paying their talent. And their talent is trapped in a 4 year contract and can't leave without incurring even more fiscal damage.
It's a fantastically wicked contract. The kind of shit some sweaty record exec would pull. This is the sort of contract only a total sleazeball would write. This is the streamer version of a greasy used car salesman selling you a 15 year old car with a bent frame and a rolled-back odometer and sneaking in 18% APR financing.
Except, it wasn't a contract, it was a terms sheet. They may have low-balled Crowder but this isn't uncommon in contract negotiations with large dollar signs attached.
The testimony of everyone who works at Daily Wire seems to be that Boering makes a hard bargain but that they ultimately get what they're want contractually and are very happy with how they're treated. People who are unaccustomed to contract negotiations and big business are reading into it all sorts of bad intentions that may make sense to the layperson but are standard business procedure.
People are free not to like how big business operates -- I don't either -- but acting like this was a conspiracy to silence and control Crowder or other small creators is ridiculous. Andrew Torba doesn't know what he's talking about.
Oh, fuck off with that bullshit. This was a contract offer in everything but name. If Crowder had said "Yes", they wouldn't have turned around and told him "No, no, no! You're our friend! We wouldn't make you sign something like this!" They'd have copied it all verbatim in contract form and been proud of it. And the deal was insultingly bad. From a youtube comment:
To put the pay in perspective. Imagine you wanted to hire your "friend" to work for you and you know his services are worth $20 an hour but you offer him $10 an hour. And you forbid him from getting a second job in the field he's most experienced in. And he has to pay for all the tools and supplies he needs to do the job for you out of the $10/hr. And he can't set up a go fund me to help with his expenses. And he can't sell shirts with his face or name on it. And he's locked into this deal for 4 years. Personally I wouldn't offer a deal like that to my worst enemy let alone my friend
The above is a pretty good summary of the situation, but even that is being more generous than what this DW "offer" actually said. He would have had to also mention that if the contractor refused to turn around and shout support for a sponsorship he didn't choose himself, then he would get no pay for the entire day. Or if someone else decided to come along and choose to throw explosives (basically being demonetized or banned for arbitrary reasons) on everything the contractor built throughout the 4 year contract (that could be extended to 6 years against his will at the sole behest of DW), the contractor would be the one held liable for the damage incurred by the vandal for nearly the entirety of the amount promised to him over his entire contract, without regard for any profit that came from his work.
The DW is entirely in the wrong here. This is not something that anyone even remotely making any offers in good faith would even think to suggest. They also even dare to claim that writing down such utter contemptible trash was "Just standard business practices", and then turn around and say that Crowder made a treacherous, personal attack against them for openly calling out the business practices, while not mentioning them by name. Boering and the rest of the DW crew that were sicced on Crowder deserve all the criticism that they get.
Oh, fuck off with that bullshit. This was a contract offer in everything but name.
Except it wasn’t, it was a terms sheet. A real contract would have to be written up before anything could be signed and legally binding.
You can ask anyone who has been in large multi-million contract negotiations before and they will explain that negotiations begins with a terms sheet, usually at one extreme or another, and end up somewhere in the middle. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, only that it’s normal at this level of business.
If Crowder had said "Yes", they wouldn't have turned around and told him "No, no, no! You're our friend! We wouldn't make you sign something like this!" They'd have copied it all verbatim in contract form and been proud of it. And the deal was insultingly bad. From a youtube comment:
Nobody in their right mind would accept a contract without reading it, so that was never a possibility.
Brett Cooper signed a contract with DW while she was still an unknown, and when her content exploded and became very successful, they came to her and volunteered to renegotiate her contract, something that only worked in her favor and they had no obligation to do.
It makes no financial sense for DW to abuse their creators, and there’s zero evidence they’ve ever exploited or tricked their employees. Crowder on the other hand…
Beyond his underhandedness in this situation, Crowder has used contract law (NDA) to silence NotGayJared and allegedly got him fired from another job after he left Crowder. He did something to Sven Computer (allegedly refusing to pay him due wages) who remains silent most likely due to threat of NDA. He threatened to sue a fan Twitter account for Hopper the dog when they wouldn’t turn it over to him. People who have worked with him say he’s high strung, demanding, takes everything personally, holds grudges and is overall not a good person to work for. Owen Benjamin has been calling Crowder out for years for his mistreatment of employees.
I don’t care if you hate the Daily Wire or not, Crowder is clearly in the wrong here and is airing his dirty laundry to his own benefit. He’s not the hero people think he is.
EDIT: It totally skipped my mind, but Owen Benjamin actually said Crowder silenced him from talking about how all the trans kids hormones came from a single large company in Israel.
You can love or hate Owen Benjamin, think he’s crazy or whatever, but just understand that there is a track record of accusations against Crowder for the same things Daily Wire is being accused of.
Boering outright said he expected to ultimately end up paying double. You're a piece of utter dogshit if you lowball someone by 50%. The ONLY reason to do that is because you hate the person's guts and you want them to not even waste time with a counter-offer, or you are banking on them feeling like such an asshole asking for 250% (in order to 'meet in the middle') that they'll lowball themselves and you end up making bank.
Boering is a piece of shit for doing that and I'm fucking thrilled his garbage company is being trashed. He deserves it. The fact that they didn't even fire Candace Owens for her behavior on Timcast means that this is who they really are.
Crowder has used contract law (NDA) to silence NotGayJared and allegedly got him fired from another job after he left Crowder
lmao oh fuck off. There's SO MANY fucking stores about NotGayJared that it's obvious they're all 100% fucking made-up nonsense. This is the new, latest story? What about the one where his mother was dying and Crowder refused to let him see her? Or the story about how he wasn't allowed to even see his kid when he was born? Or the story about how Crowder stole all his money? Give it a fucking break.
Boering outright said he expected to ultimately end up paying double. You're a piece of utter dogshit if you lowball someone by 50%. The ONLY reason to do that is because you hate the person's guts and you want them to not even waste time with a counter-offer, or you are banking on them feeling like such an asshole asking for 250% (in order to 'meet in the middle') that they'll lowball themselves and you end up making bank.
Boering is a piece of shit for doing that and I'm fucking thrilled his garbage company is being trashed. He deserves it. The fact that they didn't even fire Candace Owens for her behavior on Timcast means that this is who they really are.
That's fine if that's your interpretation, but you're not exactly a trustworthy source on big contract negotiations, and you're not someone personally close to Crowder or Boering, so you're just reading into your own personal feelings on the matter. Personal feelings, I might add, that contradict the statements of many people around Boering.
I'm curious though, why is everyone here talking about how insulting the low dollar amount was as if that was the core issue, when Crowder himself said it wasn't about the money?
lmao oh fuck off. There's SO MANY fucking stores about NotGayJared that it's obvious they're all 100% fucking made-up nonsense. This is the new, latest story? What about the one where his mother was dying and Crowder refused to let him see her? Or the story about how he wasn't allowed to even see his kid when he was born? Or the story about how Crowder stole all his money? Give it a fucking break.
I've only ever heard one story, and that was that NotGayJared quit LWC on his own (which Jared confirmed himself) and that he wasn't allowed to talk about it (which everyone agrees is most likely due to an NDA).
Again, we don't know what really happened but this is just one part of a pattern of behavior.
Sven Computer disappeared overnight and nobody was allowed to talk about it to this day (once again implying an NDA).
Owen Benjamin has been calling out Crowder's mistreatment of employees for years and also claims he himself was censored by Crowder when he wanted to talk about Israel's involvement in the trans movement.
Lauren Chen who collaborated with Crowder confirmed he is high strung, difficult to work with and takes business matters personally.
None of this is surprising to me as I've observed him over the years and none of it is to condemn Crowder as a bad person -- everyone has flaws -- but I also don't automatically jump to his defense when things like this happen.
If none of this matters to you, fine, but don't expect everyone to be as convinced of Crowder's integrity as you are.
What would have happened if he signed the 'terms sheet'?
The testimony of everyone who works at Daily Wire seems to be that Boering makes a hard bargain but that they ultimately get what they're want contractually and are very happy with how they're treated
Is that why Crowder counter-offered them, and they then slammed the door in his face and said "nope we're done, don't even bother talking to us again"?
They didn't even attempt a second offer. Their ONLY offer that they accepted was the dogshit rookie garbage they put in front of him.
What would have happened if he signed the 'terms sheet'?
As far as I know, based on what I've heard, absolutely nothing. It's not legally binding.
Is that why Crowder counter-offered them, and they then slammed the door in his face and said "nope we're done, don't even bother talking to us again"?
They didn't even attempt a second offer. Their ONLY offer that they accepted was the dogshit rookie garbage they put in front of him.
From Boering's perspective, Crowder rejected the offer, acted insulted, and demanded they send him a completely new terms sheet with a significantly larger dollar figure (despite him saying it has nothing to do with money, if you really believe that) without red-lining the previous terms or even just talking to Boering about it reasonably. Instead he told Boering, the CEO of a much larger and more successful company, that DW's business model was garbage. It's at this point that DW threw up his hands and they parted ways.
By the way, you can listen to Boering's perspective at timestamp 44:10 of Boering's response video.
You can choose to trust Crowder or you can choose to trust Boering, but either way we don't really know what really went down between the two of them. What we do know are the actions both have taken publicly and what those associated with Crowder and Daily Wire are saying, and all the evidence in this case points to Crowder being in the wrong here, if for no other reason than airing his dirty laundry and breaking the trust of people he supposedly was friends with. This is true EVEN IF Boering's actions were insulting and underhanded. Crowder handled it poorly either way.
I keep telling people, Crowder is not the bastion of integrity people think he is.
This is the mentality of a moron, you know why communists have been winning? Because conservatives weren’t willing to fight until their kids were being raped by troons in school bathrooms. Call DW what it is, Zionist neoconservatism. That is their entire platform and it is why big tech has made them thrive as “conservative media”. There is no cohesion in “the right” because the leadership is 80% or more controlled opposition who intentionally push bad arguments, bad policies, and magically keep shifting into democrats ten years ago.
BTW, it was the Daily Wire's investigative reporter who broke the story of the troon bathroom rape in the Louden county high school, and revealed the cover-up the school board attempted, resulting in charges being filed, and influencing the governor's race.
No, it was the rape victims father, don’t pretend it was “investigative journalism”, DW was one of the first to report about it AFTER the father was arrested and the school board video went viral. 0 points for effort here.
Also, the Daily Wire immediately and successfully sued the Biden administration to keep them from mandating the COVID shots through abuse of OSHA regulations. If your job didn't require you to get the jab, thank Jeremy Boreing and Ben Shapiro.
This one is true, of course not for anyone who worked in healthcare, but at least they tried.
Daily Wire's Matt Walsh staged the "Rally to End Child Mutilation" in Tennessee, which got Vanderbilt University Medical Center to halt their practice of performing double mastectomies on healthy adolescent girls (which they initially lied that they weren't doing).
Also true
Now I know that because you're a "muh Jews, muh Controlled Opposition" type, you'll find a way to rationalize this away, such as "these are fake victories staged by the powers that be to lend credibility to the controlled opposition."
Completely disingenuous, the fact you even would put in a massive ad hominem is because you have no real argument. Listing a small handful of accomplishments doesn’t make DW any less Zionist neoconservative, it only shows where the values overlap. This is why you tried the bluster and bravado route, it is pathetic.
So maybe you can tell me, what, in your opinion, could the Daily Wire do to prove to you that they are actually fighting against the left
You’ve already lost the plot, now you’re pushing “fight the left” not fight Zionist neoconservatism.
No, it was the rape victims father, don’t pretend it was “investigative journalism”, DW was one of the first to report about it AFTER the father was arrested and the school board video went viral. 0 points for effort here.
Dude, even after the father had been arrested, the DoJ arranged for a letter to be sent labeling that 'terrorism' and trying to use the Patriot Act to go after him and people like him.
“Worried about the Jews” no I’m worried about neoconservatives who would keep us fighting Israel’s wars indefinitely, make us beholden to globalist “free trade”, and will do everything in their power to keep people like McCarthy and McConnell in power. All things your precious DW supports.
Then go be a combat veteran like me you pathetic, disgusting cockroach. In fact, until you die fighting Israel’s fucking wars in the Middle East you no longer have a leg to stand on.
I'm worried about the fact that here at home, a psychotic, anti-reality neo-Marxist cult has captured
Then name one time DW has sued big tech, you know, the purveyors of said cult. I’ll wait!
This is civilization-collapsing stuff. Israel could be wiped off the map tomorrow, and this will continue unabated.
And what has DW done to stop it? You could only pull three small wins from the largest “conservative media” group, well two. Name any legislation they’re pushing, any legal battles, make any schools? Tim Pool has been publicly funding and pushing micro schools who are even secular, where is DW with their millions and pragerU pushing this? Crowder has been the ONLY conservative media voice repeatedly suing big tech, where is DW?
And if you want to try to convince me that all this is because of muh Jewz, then I would sincerely like to hear an explanation as to why the Woke Left are the biggest proponents of BDS against Israel
They are? Odd considering their politicians won’t lift a finger to do anything against Israel, in fact that little rally was an opposition rally to Kamala supporting Israel…
Go ahead and explain for me, then, why Evangelicals are obsessed with Israel and why we send non-jewish politicians on goytrips where they lick caked jewpubes out of that fucking wall?
BTW, it was the Daily Wire's investigative reporter who broke the story of the troon bathroom rape in the Louden county high school, and revealed the cover-up the school board attempted, resulting in charges being filed, and influencing the governor's race.
I learned about this entire issue and literally never, not once, was a single person I heard about it through connected in any way to Daily Wire.
Also, the Daily Wire immediately and successfully sued the Biden administration to keep them from mandating the COVID shots through abuse of OSHA regulations. If your job didn't require you to get the jab, thank Jeremy Boreing and Ben Shapiro.
So did about 60,000 other companies. Did they even get to court before it was overturned? Answer: no. They didn't.
Daily Wire's Matt Walsh staged the "Rally to End Child Mutilation" in Tennessee, which got Vanderbilt University Medical Center to halt their practice of performing double mastectomies on healthy adolescent girls (which they initially lied that they weren't doing).
And Crowder drew attention to Whitmer murdering people by putting Covid patients in nursing homes and the practice stopped after that. So?
The sentiment on this board would be as heavily skewed against Daily Wire if Ben Shapiro wasn't Jewish. People here latch onto that and hate outward from there. That's all I know about this situation. I think it's important to look at the bigger picture if you're going to take sides. That being said, I think Steven made a good point in a recent video about how Conservatives need to build outside of systems controlled by the left and by the government. Daily Wire doesn't seem to be doing this.
He would be, as Jeremey Boring said in a recorded call with him, a “wage slave.”
This is just wrong. Among other misquotes and misrepresentations, Boering never said Crowder would be a wage slave. Crowder and Boering were talking about the up-and-coming new conservative content creators which Crowder claims to be protecting.
There are other issues with the article as well but I'm losing interest in this topic so I won't bother.
Andrew Torba is a hard liner and a Right-wing gatekeeper that thinks all of you who aren't Christian should be kicked out of the Right. He thinks the only battle worth fighting is Christians versus the world. Because of this and other reasons, I have a hard time taking him seriously.
Simple: Crowder would bring a massive audience to DW.
That would be suicide. Maybe people are interested in making money, and not some weird conspiracy to 'take someone down' for literally no reason.
That is a bad idea as well. Like it or not, Youtube now has most users, and you want to tap into that, and not limit yourself to people who already agree with you - while at the same time trying to set up alternatives like Rumble and DW+.
This community has lost their mind on this issue; they're not thinking rationally. People hate the Daily Wire and "the Jews" so much that anyone who calls them out are automatically the good guys.
Crowder is clearly in the wrong here, and there's a good chance he's deliberately manufacturing this controversy for his own benefit and not just because he's "fighting for the next guy". He's not the hero people believe him to be.
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I do see people who don't hate "the Jews" siding with Crowder, so it's not just that. And I do lean more towards Crowder myself. But I also see that DW has a valid point as well (and I am a sub, so I don't hate DW).
I'd say that anyone who says that anyone is "clearly in the wrong" is not thinking about it objectively. They both have valid points, because it is not an issue to which there is an easy solution.
I don’t see how anyone can do their research and not think Crowder is clearly in the wrong.
There’s zero evidence on Crowder’s side for his two big claims: 1) DW is cow-towing to big tech, and 2) DW is harming up-and-coming creators. No evidence. Zero. Please, someone show me the evidence, because I’ve thoroughly researched this topic and I haven’t found any whatsoever.
On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence to contradict these claims. DW employee testimonies. Testimonies of people who’ve worked with DW and Crowder. Testimonies of people who’ve work in the industry. Testimonies of people familiar with multi-million dollar contracts. It’s all there.
The people who are standing behind Crowder all seem to be smaller independent creators who’ve never seen a contract like this in their lives or those who have a bone to pick with DW.
Even if Crowder was correct about DW and “Big Con”, his behavior has been unprofessional and childish. At very least everyone on both sides seems to agree the recording of his friend without his knowledge was a bad move.
I cannot find a way Crowder comes out of this looking good.
This seems pretty obvious. If you penalize your own employees for being censored by Big Tech, you are punishing them, harming them, and kowtowing to Big Tech.
The issue is that DW is not creating this problem, but merely responding to it.
Except there’s no evidence of this happening.
If DW and Crowder both lose revenue due to YouTube censorship, how is this “punishment”? All the terms say is that a percentage of Crowder’s “salary” is based on social media revenue. This is extremely common in these types of contracts. There are entire industries where compensation is split between guaranteed salary and performance based compensation.
Crowder isn’t an idiot. He knows all this. He’s built his livelihood on YouTube. Crowder self-censors to remain on YouTube. He knows exactly what DW was proposing; that’s the entire crux of his statement that DW should change their business model.
It's a fixed cut, not a revenue share. I doubt 10% from his salary comes from Instagram or whatever, but he'll still get $5,000,000 less if he is banned there.
Everything is all about money and power.
People who only care about money are incapable of comprehending that someone can care about something besides money. It's why Candace Owens lost her mind in total hysteria for 30 minutes on Tim Pool and why almost NOBODY is talking about the actual issue, but only talks about money.
And it's why like 95% of conservatives are worthless. You can just drive by their house and see their mountains of "Keeping up with the Joneses" expensive toys and understand that that's someone who has zero principles and will do anything for a shekel.
Money and power are not always gone after in the same action. I would think ESG funding would have taught you that.
That’s about an obtuse statement as “all men care about is sex”
Power: Yes
Money: lolno, you fucking idiot.
If you have money, you have power.
You have it backwards.
I'm not paying any attention to this fight whatsoever.
Im really hoping it ends with a Shapiro vs Crowder knife fight in a scorpion pit
Shapiro wouldn't fight any kinda man any way
Even though it's not really about the money, people need to understand just how evil that contract DW makes their talent sign really is.
In Hollywood, 99% of actors are getting paid some type of scale. Meaning, you get paid no matter what. You aren't making residuals off the movie, but even if the movie never gets released, you still took home a paycheck. Only the absolute premier talent gets residuals.
There isn't an actor in Hollywood whose pay is docked if the movie flops. All risk is assumed by the publisher.
Daily Wire is pushing all risk on their talent, and they are paying their talent scale, while they pocket all the extra profit. Meaning if Crowder's show is a runaway success and brings in way more money than they thought, he doesn't see a dime of it. Yet if his show is a flop, he loses everything.
Even if the entire Daily Wire, every single host, all of it, were to be fully deleted from the internet, they still have DW+ income and advertisers (who will be paying less, admittedly, but they still have like a 600K+ subs), yet all their operating expenses drop 95% because they can quit paying their talent. And their talent is trapped in a 4 year contract and can't leave without incurring even more fiscal damage.
It's a fantastically wicked contract. The kind of shit some sweaty record exec would pull. This is the sort of contract only a total sleazeball would write. This is the streamer version of a greasy used car salesman selling you a 15 year old car with a bent frame and a rolled-back odometer and sneaking in 18% APR financing.
Except, it wasn't a contract, it was a terms sheet. They may have low-balled Crowder but this isn't uncommon in contract negotiations with large dollar signs attached.
The testimony of everyone who works at Daily Wire seems to be that Boering makes a hard bargain but that they ultimately get what they're want contractually and are very happy with how they're treated. People who are unaccustomed to contract negotiations and big business are reading into it all sorts of bad intentions that may make sense to the layperson but are standard business procedure.
People are free not to like how big business operates -- I don't either -- but acting like this was a conspiracy to silence and control Crowder or other small creators is ridiculous. Andrew Torba doesn't know what he's talking about.
Oh, fuck off with that bullshit. This was a contract offer in everything but name. If Crowder had said "Yes", they wouldn't have turned around and told him "No, no, no! You're our friend! We wouldn't make you sign something like this!" They'd have copied it all verbatim in contract form and been proud of it. And the deal was insultingly bad. From a youtube comment:
The above is a pretty good summary of the situation, but even that is being more generous than what this DW "offer" actually said. He would have had to also mention that if the contractor refused to turn around and shout support for a sponsorship he didn't choose himself, then he would get no pay for the entire day. Or if someone else decided to come along and choose to throw explosives (basically being demonetized or banned for arbitrary reasons) on everything the contractor built throughout the 4 year contract (that could be extended to 6 years against his will at the sole behest of DW), the contractor would be the one held liable for the damage incurred by the vandal for nearly the entirety of the amount promised to him over his entire contract, without regard for any profit that came from his work.
The DW is entirely in the wrong here. This is not something that anyone even remotely making any offers in good faith would even think to suggest. They also even dare to claim that writing down such utter contemptible trash was "Just standard business practices", and then turn around and say that Crowder made a treacherous, personal attack against them for openly calling out the business practices, while not mentioning them by name. Boering and the rest of the DW crew that were sicced on Crowder deserve all the criticism that they get.
Except it wasn’t, it was a terms sheet. A real contract would have to be written up before anything could be signed and legally binding.
You can ask anyone who has been in large multi-million contract negotiations before and they will explain that negotiations begins with a terms sheet, usually at one extreme or another, and end up somewhere in the middle. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, only that it’s normal at this level of business.
Nobody in their right mind would accept a contract without reading it, so that was never a possibility.
Brett Cooper signed a contract with DW while she was still an unknown, and when her content exploded and became very successful, they came to her and volunteered to renegotiate her contract, something that only worked in her favor and they had no obligation to do.
It makes no financial sense for DW to abuse their creators, and there’s zero evidence they’ve ever exploited or tricked their employees. Crowder on the other hand…
Beyond his underhandedness in this situation, Crowder has used contract law (NDA) to silence NotGayJared and allegedly got him fired from another job after he left Crowder. He did something to Sven Computer (allegedly refusing to pay him due wages) who remains silent most likely due to threat of NDA. He threatened to sue a fan Twitter account for Hopper the dog when they wouldn’t turn it over to him. People who have worked with him say he’s high strung, demanding, takes everything personally, holds grudges and is overall not a good person to work for. Owen Benjamin has been calling Crowder out for years for his mistreatment of employees.
I don’t care if you hate the Daily Wire or not, Crowder is clearly in the wrong here and is airing his dirty laundry to his own benefit. He’s not the hero people think he is.
EDIT: It totally skipped my mind, but Owen Benjamin actually said Crowder silenced him from talking about how all the trans kids hormones came from a single large company in Israel.
You can love or hate Owen Benjamin, think he’s crazy or whatever, but just understand that there is a track record of accusations against Crowder for the same things Daily Wire is being accused of.
Boering outright said he expected to ultimately end up paying double. You're a piece of utter dogshit if you lowball someone by 50%. The ONLY reason to do that is because you hate the person's guts and you want them to not even waste time with a counter-offer, or you are banking on them feeling like such an asshole asking for 250% (in order to 'meet in the middle') that they'll lowball themselves and you end up making bank.
Boering is a piece of shit for doing that and I'm fucking thrilled his garbage company is being trashed. He deserves it. The fact that they didn't even fire Candace Owens for her behavior on Timcast means that this is who they really are.
lmao oh fuck off. There's SO MANY fucking stores about NotGayJared that it's obvious they're all 100% fucking made-up nonsense. This is the new, latest story? What about the one where his mother was dying and Crowder refused to let him see her? Or the story about how he wasn't allowed to even see his kid when he was born? Or the story about how Crowder stole all his money? Give it a fucking break.
That's fine if that's your interpretation, but you're not exactly a trustworthy source on big contract negotiations, and you're not someone personally close to Crowder or Boering, so you're just reading into your own personal feelings on the matter. Personal feelings, I might add, that contradict the statements of many people around Boering.
I'm curious though, why is everyone here talking about how insulting the low dollar amount was as if that was the core issue, when Crowder himself said it wasn't about the money?
I've only ever heard one story, and that was that NotGayJared quit LWC on his own (which Jared confirmed himself) and that he wasn't allowed to talk about it (which everyone agrees is most likely due to an NDA).
Again, we don't know what really happened but this is just one part of a pattern of behavior.
Sven Computer disappeared overnight and nobody was allowed to talk about it to this day (once again implying an NDA).
Owen Benjamin has been calling out Crowder's mistreatment of employees for years and also claims he himself was censored by Crowder when he wanted to talk about Israel's involvement in the trans movement.
Lauren Chen who collaborated with Crowder confirmed he is high strung, difficult to work with and takes business matters personally.
None of this is surprising to me as I've observed him over the years and none of it is to condemn Crowder as a bad person -- everyone has flaws -- but I also don't automatically jump to his defense when things like this happen.
If none of this matters to you, fine, but don't expect everyone to be as convinced of Crowder's integrity as you are.
What would have happened if he signed the 'terms sheet'?
Is that why Crowder counter-offered them, and they then slammed the door in his face and said "nope we're done, don't even bother talking to us again"?
They didn't even attempt a second offer. Their ONLY offer that they accepted was the dogshit rookie garbage they put in front of him.
As far as I know, based on what I've heard, absolutely nothing. It's not legally binding.
From Boering's perspective, Crowder rejected the offer, acted insulted, and demanded they send him a completely new terms sheet with a significantly larger dollar figure (despite him saying it has nothing to do with money, if you really believe that) without red-lining the previous terms or even just talking to Boering about it reasonably. Instead he told Boering, the CEO of a much larger and more successful company, that DW's business model was garbage. It's at this point that DW threw up his hands and they parted ways.
By the way, you can listen to Boering's perspective at timestamp 44:10 of Boering's response video.
You can choose to trust Crowder or you can choose to trust Boering, but either way we don't really know what really went down between the two of them. What we do know are the actions both have taken publicly and what those associated with Crowder and Daily Wire are saying, and all the evidence in this case points to Crowder being in the wrong here, if for no other reason than airing his dirty laundry and breaking the trust of people he supposedly was friends with. This is true EVEN IF Boering's actions were insulting and underhanded. Crowder handled it poorly either way.
I keep telling people, Crowder is not the bastion of integrity people think he is.
This is the mentality of a moron, you know why communists have been winning? Because conservatives weren’t willing to fight until their kids were being raped by troons in school bathrooms. Call DW what it is, Zionist neoconservatism. That is their entire platform and it is why big tech has made them thrive as “conservative media”. There is no cohesion in “the right” because the leadership is 80% or more controlled opposition who intentionally push bad arguments, bad policies, and magically keep shifting into democrats ten years ago.
No, it was the rape victims father, don’t pretend it was “investigative journalism”, DW was one of the first to report about it AFTER the father was arrested and the school board video went viral. 0 points for effort here.
This one is true, of course not for anyone who worked in healthcare, but at least they tried.
Also true
Completely disingenuous, the fact you even would put in a massive ad hominem is because you have no real argument. Listing a small handful of accomplishments doesn’t make DW any less Zionist neoconservative, it only shows where the values overlap. This is why you tried the bluster and bravado route, it is pathetic.
You’ve already lost the plot, now you’re pushing “fight the left” not fight Zionist neoconservatism.
Dude, even after the father had been arrested, the DoJ arranged for a letter to be sent labeling that 'terrorism' and trying to use the Patriot Act to go after him and people like him.
What does that have to do with the Daily Wire?
That the truth coming out was by no meant a certainty, as they continued to lie about it for long afterwards.
It was thanks to DW that it did come out.
Not sure why people don't want to deny legitimate points.
Completely false, there were NUMEROUS articles within days of each other, one group being “first” isn’t one group being “only”
“Worried about the Jews” no I’m worried about neoconservatives who would keep us fighting Israel’s wars indefinitely, make us beholden to globalist “free trade”, and will do everything in their power to keep people like McCarthy and McConnell in power. All things your precious DW supports.
Then go be a combat veteran like me you pathetic, disgusting cockroach. In fact, until you die fighting Israel’s fucking wars in the Middle East you no longer have a leg to stand on.
Then name one time DW has sued big tech, you know, the purveyors of said cult. I’ll wait!
And what has DW done to stop it? You could only pull three small wins from the largest “conservative media” group, well two. Name any legislation they’re pushing, any legal battles, make any schools? Tim Pool has been publicly funding and pushing micro schools who are even secular, where is DW with their millions and pragerU pushing this? Crowder has been the ONLY conservative media voice repeatedly suing big tech, where is DW?
They are? Odd considering their politicians won’t lift a finger to do anything against Israel, in fact that little rally was an opposition rally to Kamala supporting Israel…
Go ahead and explain for me, then, why Evangelicals are obsessed with Israel and why we send non-jewish politicians on goytrips where they lick caked jewpubes out of that fucking wall?
I learned about this entire issue and literally never, not once, was a single person I heard about it through connected in any way to Daily Wire.
So did about 60,000 other companies. Did they even get to court before it was overturned? Answer: no. They didn't.
And Crowder drew attention to Whitmer murdering people by putting Covid patients in nursing homes and the practice stopped after that. So?
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Ben Shapiro is a Communist, all Zionists are. Nationalism for me, but not for thee...
Ask An0maly, who is the farthest thing from a racist and it's why they fear him.
He's a loving person towards all races but knows what's happening.
We are warning our friends, family, neighbors, churches, and even local sheriffs, even my boomer parents know what's happening now.
LOL! I can't recall a more brain-dead take than this. Who are the 7 people who are retarded enough to upvote this?
The rule is "never punch right". As milquetoast as he is, Crowder is to the right of Lil Ben.
The sentiment on this board would be as heavily skewed against Daily Wire if Ben Shapiro wasn't Jewish. People here latch onto that and hate outward from there. That's all I know about this situation. I think it's important to look at the bigger picture if you're going to take sides. That being said, I think Steven made a good point in a recent video about how Conservatives need to build outside of systems controlled by the left and by the government. Daily Wire doesn't seem to be doing this.
Still not sure why these grifters (Crowder, DW) are getting so much attention.
This is just wrong. Among other misquotes and misrepresentations, Boering never said Crowder would be a wage slave. Crowder and Boering were talking about the up-and-coming new conservative content creators which Crowder claims to be protecting.
There are other issues with the article as well but I'm losing interest in this topic so I won't bother.
Andrew Torba is a hard liner and a Right-wing gatekeeper that thinks all of you who aren't Christian should be kicked out of the Right. He thinks the only battle worth fighting is Christians versus the world. Because of this and other reasons, I have a hard time taking him seriously.