except for violent video games causing violent kids
That would be fatherless households caused by feminism, which the evangelical right also opposed. They had the cause wrong but they also opposed the actual cause. Not a bad score card all things considered.
Which you can connect right back to feminism decoupling sex from marriage, meaning women are now bred constantly with poor stock of men. The same type of guy to be a deadbeat, is also the type to pass on impulsive, violent and overall bad genes. Meaning the kid was born with a bad hand.
Which holistically also means that bad hand is exacerbated by their mother's poor quality. Because the type to have sex with Tyrone the Hoodrat isn't providing a good nurture either.
Impulsive genes can also be hyper-competitive genes. They just require more social training to learn how to harness these impulses in a productive way.
Impulsive, violent males tend towards high-risk behavior, which lowers their average life-span, but can have high rewards, both genetically and socially.
For example Rock Stars are highly competitive, highly motivated and have a bonkers high risk lifestyle. Successful rock stars are also drowning in reproduction opportunities.
As if the distinctions we're talking about are more impactful than the promotion of crime as a culture, the inculcation of race hatred, the dependency on the state, mass fatherlessness, and rampant drug abuse.
Most of those were caused by political policy poisoning incentives, and a culture which promoted them.
I'd add in most of the satanic panic as well that leaked into the 90s from the 80s, namely their opposition to rock and metal music. Considering WotC though, they might have stumbled into something about DnD though. Wrong reasonings, but still ended up being right.
The "satanic panic" stuff was started by the Finders cult having satanic rituals with kids in a tunnel. As well as the increasing amounts of child abductions and abuse in military daycares.
All of the other stuff was to help cover up those facts.
TSR was in charge of D&D/AD&D up until the mid-late 90s, when they went bankrupt; WotC bought them out then; I was actively playing at the time. Chick tracts had been ranting about it pretty much since the original D&D box sets with the shitty blue dice were a thing.
Well, I haven't played since (TSR-owned) second edition, and I was only a player. My RPG was Werewolf: the Apocalypse, anyway. I still have that set from back in the 2e days, so I don't need to buy any more. :P
It was less that DnD was evil and more that actual occultists saw its popularity as a way to recruit. Which they do. Maybe overblown, but it makes sense.
Well, maybe if they didn't alienate everyone by allowing charlatans to run megachurches that scammed old ladies out of their pensions with faith healing. You know, when they're not having sex with male escorts while zonked out on meth. Oh, but he just bought the meth a single time with the intention of throwing it away. How did he know where to score some crystal? Stop asking question! Also, it's totally normal to get a "massage" from a gay escort that's zonked out on meth in a hotel room.
I fully expect the Christcucks to get mad at me for pointing out why people like me became disillusioned with the faith instead of being mad at the people who do the thing that pushed people away in the first place.
I’m as mad about those people using the church for greed and all other evil. As a kid we left a church because the pastor was sleeping around and involved with drugs. We found a great one after that. Do you still believe or totally close off to going to church again?
Personally, I don't bother with organized religions. Keyword: organized. Growing older, I can find some truths in parts of scripture and I can apply it to my day to day. But going to a proscribed church only ever reminds me of how faith and belief has become an utterly utilitarian force for self-serving interests instead of the feeling and emotion that gives one purpose.
That's what people in general should do. Take some bits and pieces of advice and apply it in your life not worship a god just to be a decent person. But I think for some people, that's just an impossible task.
Basically all of the Mega Churches are scams, most of the zealots were idiots and grifters, the entire "pray the gay away" movement was a fraud, and now we've got pastors responding to the stupidity of the Evangelist movement by becoming card-carrying progressives. The Anglican Church might as well be the Church of Satan at this point, which might actually be less ridiculous and degenerate.
The only solution I've seen from the degeneration of Christendom is to embrace Catholicism. You know, where the Pope is a literal Communist acolyte following Liberation Theology, and is the reference to "The Cathedral" we talk about, and whom invented the concept of Social Justice in the first place.
I'm with... FCD... on this, part of the problem here is how organized religion behaves. We need more local preachers standing up against this shit, and people learning valuable lessons of individual responsibility from the Bible, rather than collectivist apologetics.
The only solution I've seen from the degeneration of Christendom is to embrace Catholicism.
I know I might be biased on this point due to the way I lean, but its part of the whole point of Protestantism, and I find it strange that so many [for want of a better phrase] "neo-evangelicals" reject it in favor of Catholicism. They point to the fact that a lot of denominations of Protestants are just as, if not more, pozzed and in the grip of Liberation Theology than the Catholics, but that kind of misses the point.
At its most basic level, Protestantism says "When all else fails, you are your own church." Its why there are like five-hundred different Protestant faiths: "I dont like this denomination. I am going to go make my own! With blackjack and hookers! Wait..."
I have seen some stats that the average American Non-Religious individual is still more religious than most European Christians, in that they pray more often and go to church more often, they just dont have a defined church. Which tells me that the issue is not that Americans are becoming less religious. They just dont have a church they feel meets their needs. Which is probably what will spawn the 4th Great Awakening that gets brought up from time to time (since similar issues caused the 3rd)
Well I do believe the Bible condemns homosexuality amongst thousands of other things. My grandfather was always suspicious of churches that had a massive population. But I agree about studying the word. I love my church but it’s not the church that offers salvation. It’s Christ. But the progressive Christian movement is dangerous because they seem to want to conform to the world.
But of course, you opening with acting like a massive asshole by lumping everyone in the faith in with the absolute worst people in their group is totally okay.
Really jogs the noggin' why no one even wants to reason with you to get you to join back.
They won't engage with you to change your mind, they want you to stay right where you are. Children who can't differentiate between imaginary and reality are much easier to prosletyse to anyway. Besides the godboys need people like you on the outside that they can point at and feel holier than and morally superior to. Its all part of the christcuck cope.
It really sounds like you hate the organization, and then get mad at everyone involved in the overall faith. As if every Christian in the country held a vote about any of these things, or that even a majority of them approved of it once they found out.
Christianity isn’t a monolith. The reason there are hundreds of denominations is due to the disagreement between believers on many topics, including the issues you mentioned. Many Christians find the actions of the mega churches and the grifters who take people’s money deplorable.
Religious institutions are prone to the same corruption that any human institution is prone to as they grow in size and influence. This is because institutions are human inventions and humans themselves are sinful and prone to corruption. Christianity is meant to be a personal relationship with our creator, not a human institution.
Many people think the Left and the Right in the USA are two sides of the same coin, but even the craziest people on the Right like Jack Thompson thought banning video games was unconstitutional. When you dig deeper and look at the facts, you realize there’s no comparison between the two sides.
The evangelical right of the 90s was correct about pretty much everything, except for violent video games causing violent kids.
And the need to live in a theocracy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm well in favor of many conservative values. But I'm as against living in the Kingdom of God as in the Kingdom of Allah or the Kingdom of Yahweh.
There is much wisdom in religious texts as regards the human condition, but it's mixed very strongly with bronze-age values (don't beat your wife, she's your valuable property), hidden bronze-age "best practices" for hygiene and medicine (i.e. wash your hands before eating because cleanliness is godliness, don't eat unholy shellfish or you might die, etc.), and complete and utter bullshit included because a secular or religious figure needed more authority and/or precedent for something.
I haven't heard that one preached at church. Can't speak to what goes on at mosques.
the Kingdom of God
Describes the afterlife and the state of earth after tribulation and the messiah returns. Not a theocracy led by men. Unless we're talking about Christianity as interpreted by Shin Megami Tensei.
But in any event, I assume the OP was talking about value judgements and predictions, not scriptural beliefs.
The Kingdom of God stuff was what the more off-putting of the old-school televangelists were (at least perceived to be) selling, and the image wasn't helped with the likes of Pat Robertson running around either. The Satanic Panic was the other side of the coin from Telvangelist Panic that actually started under Reagan but intensified under Bush and continued even harder for some reason under Clinton (thanks to the Oklahoma City bombing, and the subsequent panic over "right-wing Christian militias". Too bad the Muslim training schools in the woods of New York and the like after 9/11 didn't get quite as much attention, and I wonder if they were ever actually dealt with.
Christian theocracy is a Leftist boogeyman with no basis in reality. It’s likely just more Leftist projection as they no doubt want a Marxist “theocracy” of sorts.
The Kingdom of Heaven referred to in the Bible isn’t a literal kingdom on earth created by men. There’s nothing in the Bible that talks about Christians establishing a kingdom or government of any kind, although there are some denominations who believe there is. The only time any such thing is supposed to happen in the future is after the second coming of Christ, at which point Christ will subdue the entire world personally, killing anyone who rejects Him (Christ’s second coming is totally different from His first coming — where His first coming was in meekness and humility, His second coming has Him personally slaughtering everyone in the world who rejects Him, bringing the entire world into submission by force… quite the contrast from the first time around).
Clinton and Gore used it to their advantage. They were opportunistic and probably making money off it in some way.
Lieberman was actually asking questions and continued to check with various sources after the hearings.
Of course it should also be pointed out he was telling companies running money laundering schemes to stop or the hearings would have actual evidence soon. It's the reason why companies like Midway suddenly had different sales numbers.
I seem to recall the media jumping on video games as the root cause for the Beltway Sniper incident, when that shit was going down. They hushed up really fast once the culprits were caught (and hell, I remember some CNN twat trying to connect a fucking craft store to the shootings, just because of the name. I'm sure other stores happened to be in the same area as multiple shootings, lord knows the US is rumored to have a McDonald's nearly every freakin' block.)
That would be fatherless households caused by feminism, which the evangelical right also opposed. They had the cause wrong but they also opposed the actual cause. Not a bad score card all things considered.
Which you can connect right back to feminism decoupling sex from marriage, meaning women are now bred constantly with poor stock of men. The same type of guy to be a deadbeat, is also the type to pass on impulsive, violent and overall bad genes. Meaning the kid was born with a bad hand.
Which holistically also means that bad hand is exacerbated by their mother's poor quality. Because the type to have sex with Tyrone the Hoodrat isn't providing a good nurture either.
Impulsive genes can also be hyper-competitive genes. They just require more social training to learn how to harness these impulses in a productive way.
Impulsive, violent males tend towards high-risk behavior, which lowers their average life-span, but can have high rewards, both genetically and socially.
For example Rock Stars are highly competitive, highly motivated and have a bonkers high risk lifestyle. Successful rock stars are also drowning in reproduction opportunities.
As if the distinctions we're talking about are more impactful than the promotion of crime as a culture, the inculcation of race hatred, the dependency on the state, mass fatherlessness, and rampant drug abuse.
Most of those were caused by political policy poisoning incentives, and a culture which promoted them.
I'd add in most of the satanic panic as well that leaked into the 90s from the 80s, namely their opposition to rock and metal music. Considering WotC though, they might have stumbled into something about DnD though. Wrong reasonings, but still ended up being right.
The "satanic panic" stuff was started by the Finders cult having satanic rituals with kids in a tunnel. As well as the increasing amounts of child abductions and abuse in military daycares.
All of the other stuff was to help cover up those facts.
TSR was in charge of D&D/AD&D up until the mid-late 90s, when they went bankrupt; WotC bought them out then; I was actively playing at the time. Chick tracts had been ranting about it pretty much since the original D&D box sets with the shitty blue dice were a thing.
Well realistically now Hasbro. So now corporate globohomo evil is involved. In addition to whatever weird Seattle hippy evil they had going on.
Well, I haven't played since (TSR-owned) second edition, and I was only a player. My RPG was Werewolf: the Apocalypse, anyway. I still have that set from back in the 2e days, so I don't need to buy any more. :P
It was less that DnD was evil and more that actual occultists saw its popularity as a way to recruit. Which they do. Maybe overblown, but it makes sense.
Magic the Gathering is innocent, though.
Or that violent kids is a bad thing when the violent ones are good. We need some crusades.
Well, maybe if they didn't alienate everyone by allowing charlatans to run megachurches that scammed old ladies out of their pensions with faith healing. You know, when they're not having sex with male escorts while zonked out on meth. Oh, but he just bought the meth a single time with the intention of throwing it away. How did he know where to score some crystal? Stop asking question! Also, it's totally normal to get a "massage" from a gay escort that's zonked out on meth in a hotel room.
Of course, the only thing that changes with them is they moved onto young girls. Or maybe not.
I fully expect the Christcucks to get mad at me for pointing out why people like me became disillusioned with the faith instead of being mad at the people who do the thing that pushed people away in the first place.
I’m as mad about those people using the church for greed and all other evil. As a kid we left a church because the pastor was sleeping around and involved with drugs. We found a great one after that. Do you still believe or totally close off to going to church again?
Personally, I don't bother with organized religions. Keyword: organized. Growing older, I can find some truths in parts of scripture and I can apply it to my day to day. But going to a proscribed church only ever reminds me of how faith and belief has become an utterly utilitarian force for self-serving interests instead of the feeling and emotion that gives one purpose.
I can respect that.
That's what people in general should do. Take some bits and pieces of advice and apply it in your life not worship a god just to be a decent person. But I think for some people, that's just an impossible task.
The spirit of the Reformation carries on.
Honestly, how many others were doing it?
Basically all of the Mega Churches are scams, most of the zealots were idiots and grifters, the entire "pray the gay away" movement was a fraud, and now we've got pastors responding to the stupidity of the Evangelist movement by becoming card-carrying progressives. The Anglican Church might as well be the Church of Satan at this point, which might actually be less ridiculous and degenerate.
The only solution I've seen from the degeneration of Christendom is to embrace Catholicism. You know, where the Pope is a literal Communist acolyte following Liberation Theology, and is the reference to "The Cathedral" we talk about, and whom invented the concept of Social Justice in the first place.
I'm with... FCD... on this, part of the problem here is how organized religion behaves. We need more local preachers standing up against this shit, and people learning valuable lessons of individual responsibility from the Bible, rather than collectivist apologetics.
I know I might be biased on this point due to the way I lean, but its part of the whole point of Protestantism, and I find it strange that so many [for want of a better phrase] "neo-evangelicals" reject it in favor of Catholicism. They point to the fact that a lot of denominations of Protestants are just as, if not more, pozzed and in the grip of Liberation Theology than the Catholics, but that kind of misses the point.
At its most basic level, Protestantism says "When all else fails, you are your own church." Its why there are like five-hundred different Protestant faiths: "I dont like this denomination. I am going to go make my own! With blackjack and hookers! Wait..."
I have seen some stats that the average American Non-Religious individual is still more religious than most European Christians, in that they pray more often and go to church more often, they just dont have a defined church. Which tells me that the issue is not that Americans are becoming less religious. They just dont have a church they feel meets their needs. Which is probably what will spawn the 4th Great Awakening that gets brought up from time to time (since similar issues caused the 3rd)
Well I do believe the Bible condemns homosexuality amongst thousands of other things. My grandfather was always suspicious of churches that had a massive population. But I agree about studying the word. I love my church but it’s not the church that offers salvation. It’s Christ. But the progressive Christian movement is dangerous because they seem to want to conform to the world.
There's your problem. Needing to commune with TV man.
Most megachurch parishioners aren't watching on TV hence the Mega
"Maybe if I ask like a massive asshole towards this guy struggling to find reason with faith, that will change his mind!"
Nice job proving my point.
But of course, you opening with acting like a massive asshole by lumping everyone in the faith in with the absolute worst people in their group is totally okay.
Really jogs the noggin' why no one even wants to reason with you to get you to join back.
They won't engage with you to change your mind, they want you to stay right where you are. Children who can't differentiate between imaginary and reality are much easier to prosletyse to anyway. Besides the godboys need people like you on the outside that they can point at and feel holier than and morally superior to. Its all part of the christcuck cope.
It really sounds like you hate the organization, and then get mad at everyone involved in the overall faith. As if every Christian in the country held a vote about any of these things, or that even a majority of them approved of it once they found out.
"There's sin and hypocrisy in the world therefore Christianity is false" isn't much of a position.
Wait whose fault is it again that charlatans are "allowed" to run a church?
Christianity isn’t a monolith. The reason there are hundreds of denominations is due to the disagreement between believers on many topics, including the issues you mentioned. Many Christians find the actions of the mega churches and the grifters who take people’s money deplorable.
Religious institutions are prone to the same corruption that any human institution is prone to as they grow in size and influence. This is because institutions are human inventions and humans themselves are sinful and prone to corruption. Christianity is meant to be a personal relationship with our creator, not a human institution.
Many people think the Left and the Right in the USA are two sides of the same coin, but even the craziest people on the Right like Jack Thompson thought banning video games was unconstitutional. When you dig deeper and look at the facts, you realize there’s no comparison between the two sides.
Pat Buchanan is still based AF
And the need to live in a theocracy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm well in favor of many conservative values. But I'm as against living in the Kingdom of God as in the Kingdom of Allah or the Kingdom of Yahweh.
There is much wisdom in religious texts as regards the human condition, but it's mixed very strongly with bronze-age values (don't beat your wife, she's your valuable property), hidden bronze-age "best practices" for hygiene and medicine (i.e. wash your hands before eating because cleanliness is godliness, don't eat unholy shellfish or you might die, etc.), and complete and utter bullshit included because a secular or religious figure needed more authority and/or precedent for something.
I haven't heard that one preached at church. Can't speak to what goes on at mosques.
Describes the afterlife and the state of earth after tribulation and the messiah returns. Not a theocracy led by men. Unless we're talking about Christianity as interpreted by Shin Megami Tensei.
But in any event, I assume the OP was talking about value judgements and predictions, not scriptural beliefs.
The Kingdom of God stuff was what the more off-putting of the old-school televangelists were (at least perceived to be) selling, and the image wasn't helped with the likes of Pat Robertson running around either. The Satanic Panic was the other side of the coin from Telvangelist Panic that actually started under Reagan but intensified under Bush and continued even harder for some reason under Clinton (thanks to the Oklahoma City bombing, and the subsequent panic over "right-wing Christian militias". Too bad the Muslim training schools in the woods of New York and the like after 9/11 didn't get quite as much attention, and I wonder if they were ever actually dealt with.
Christian theocracy is a Leftist boogeyman with no basis in reality. It’s likely just more Leftist projection as they no doubt want a Marxist “theocracy” of sorts.
The Kingdom of Heaven referred to in the Bible isn’t a literal kingdom on earth created by men. There’s nothing in the Bible that talks about Christians establishing a kingdom or government of any kind, although there are some denominations who believe there is. The only time any such thing is supposed to happen in the future is after the second coming of Christ, at which point Christ will subdue the entire world personally, killing anyone who rejects Him (Christ’s second coming is totally different from His first coming — where His first coming was in meekness and humility, His second coming has Him personally slaughtering everyone in the world who rejects Him, bringing the entire world into submission by force… quite the contrast from the first time around).
Leftists fighting who? Some of the biggest proponents of censorship at the time were Joe Lieberman, Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton.
Clinton and Gore used it to their advantage. They were opportunistic and probably making money off it in some way.
Lieberman was actually asking questions and continued to check with various sources after the hearings. Of course it should also be pointed out he was telling companies running money laundering schemes to stop or the hearings would have actual evidence soon. It's the reason why companies like Midway suddenly had different sales numbers.
I seem to recall the media jumping on video games as the root cause for the Beltway Sniper incident, when that shit was going down. They hushed up really fast once the culprits were caught (and hell, I remember some CNN twat trying to connect a fucking craft store to the shootings, just because of the name. I'm sure other stores happened to be in the same area as multiple shootings, lord knows the US is rumored to have a McDonald's nearly every freakin' block.)
Literally every new megachurch I've tried visiting was blasting rock music full blast.