50 years ago we were able to put men on the moon, then nobody's really sure what happened, and now we've regressed to the point that the enemies of civilization can say "harm" and "trauma" and completely subvert literally any progress we're making anywhere.
The whole "We went to the moon a few times using computing power equivalent to an Atari but then it got boring so we stopped decades ago. But we could still totally go back if we wanted to..." thing definitely makes you think.
Computer power equivalent to an Atari, a fuckton of money, and 1960s standards for safety.
I mean, we could do it today, but our truly inspiring politicians (I'd say what they inspire but I'm fairly sure it's not allowed, so we'll settle on "scorn, defiance, slight regard, contempt and anything that might not misbecome me") would much rather take the money themselves, would they not?
USSR was beating us on every level of rocket technology. Then we built the Saturn V, which was better than any rocket ever built by anyone before or since.
Once we used this unbelievable breakthrough a few times, we destroyed every copy in existence, destroyed all the tools used to build them, and burned all the plans describing how to make them.
That really depends on how you define "better", does it not?
The Saturn V's Rocketdyne F-1 main engines were exactly what they were designed to be - honking great rockets that guzzled fuel and threw out noise, light and plenty of thrust. But they were not efficient compared to what is available today.
The Shuttle's RS-25's still put out plenty of power and they offer almost 50% extra specific impulse.
That said, yes, destroying the plans was utterly idiotic.
Soviets lost the space race because their lead engineer, a Ukrainian man with surname Korolyov, died. He died because of injuries he suffered in labour camp (gulag) where he was sent in 1930s for being a counterrevolutionary.
We stopped exploring for no reason, then several decades later decided to spend way more money building a much worse rocket to put a black woman on the moon.
I think, if you watch “famous” old movies from that time (which I’ve been doing quite a bit, lately), this sort of thing was well underway already, among “elites”…
Just look at the literal cuckoldry in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s”, for instance.
However the difference was that this simply hasn’t reached the cultural “mainstream”, yet…
By the 90s, it pretty much had. And then the internet took over, and it became “the default”.
Now? Now we’re barely allowed to even question it, without being labeled “an enemy of the state”, due for cancelling, etc…
But this “process” has been happening for decades, unfortunately…
If the left had their way, we never would have done it. At the launch of Apollo 11, there were protesters there, making it know that they think the space program should be defunded and the funds redirected to welfare.
Added to this is the ever-present fear that studies and results are being used by the wrong kind of people.
And thus the "respected expert scientists" would rather publish outright lies parading "science" as a skinsuit. Like when top virologists and epidemiologists published an open letter falsely claiming it was impossible for the Wuhan coronavirus to be a result of a leak of a Gain of Function experiment from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
To dunk on "the wrong kind of people". "Science" is the new religion with its priest class using whatever lie necessary to manipulate people, and rejecting their claims is heresy leading to ostracization.
There was an article with an epidemiologist admitting that she and some of her colleagues expressed doubts about natural origin, but they didn't want to say anything that would associate them with Trump.
there is no consensus within academia to do this, no secret plan or conspiracy. It is simply the almost total homogeneity of political opinions held by scholars and researchers, staff and students, which ensures that interpretations of archaeological findings often go “the right way”.
Once again we see the need for dismantling the contemporary university. It is a neo-Marxist ideological engine first, a means of objectively gathering and disseminating knowledge second (if at all).
The blame lay squarely with the creators and promoters of "interdisciplinary studies," the vehicle by which neo-Marxist concepts that were bred in the humanities (critical theory its various iterations) have been shoehorned into every single college discipline, bar none. The people hoping that the sciences would be immune have had a rude awakening.
I used to be an archaeologist over 10 years ago now, and this has been slowing taking over the field since the 60's.
It used to be that we used to study the differences and traits of cultures that inhabited certain areas. For example in the British isles we would take the varying styles and designs in buildings, pottery and clothing, etc.. to give distinct names to the people of different eras and looking at the influences from elsewhere for changes in designs when they occured, we used to take it too far and before advancements in genetic research it was believed that wave upon wave of invasions or migrations would replace ethnic groups, e.g The beaker peoples, Celtic, Saxon and a viking Invasions, the first three of which have since been largely disproven.
This all focused on material remains so whenever something new or distinct appeared it was big news. Around the 60s there was a wave of theory know as 'New Archaeology' which I'm convinced was just a front for Communism taking over the field, which shifted away from great events, places, people in history and focused on the hidden lives of normal people, the interconnectivity of societies and so on. All of this wasnt a bad thing in theory for the field but the manner it was wielded meant that distinct finds would be destroyed or ignored, and inconvenient evidence contrary to 'New Archaeological' theory would be quietly shelved, and archaeologist who published contrarian opinions would lose all credibility.
It's one of the reasons I left the field, besides there being no money in it, was that it felt like a lot of private digs were setting out to prove a theory and fitting the evidence to suit it rather than letting the evidence and data points speak for themselves. I even saw entire periods or prehistory just refused to be investigated because it touched upon modern taboos, for example early human evolution and the genetic differences between races. A lot of evidence is starting to discredit the out of africa theory and instead suggest that humans evolved separately and differently globally from a far more distant ape relative than previously believed. Aboriginal peoples are essentially a completely different species to Western Caucasians, sharing wildly different genetics. They share a much closer genetic makeup to the denisovan hominins who were thought to have gone extinct around the time of the Neanderthals, where as Western Europeans can often share up to 20% of our genetics to Homo Neanderthalis which is none existent outside of Caucasians.
When this was all first discovered it was massive news and had articles with every Archaological magazine and national geographic etc... now it's been essentially memory holed and you have to seriously dig deep, ironically, online to find any articles on it
It's more of the same Globohomo push to deny the history of ethnic groups having distinct territories and insist to us, despite all evidence, (and in the old world, despite living memory of a few short decades ago), that our nations were always full people with whom our nearest common ancestor lived in the fucking ice age.
Therefore, this makes me quite sad. Also the whole Elgin Marbles debacle, that came out today (BM head wants to “hand them back” to Greece, despite them being legitimately purchased, not stolen, and against the wishes of Elgin’s descendants)…
Part of me wants to make some kind of "Social Autoopsy" style database for anyone who comes out with [woke] stupidtakes that later prove to be a massive fucking disaster and had significant warnings made at the time. The fairly obvious ones atm are covid vaccinations and lockdowns but things relating to museum pieces being returned can easily fit in there too.
Dumbass Normie: "It should go back to its country of origin!"
Anyone with half a brain: "That country doesn't exist any more/is on fire all the time."
/6 months later it gets sold and/or destroyed
Wouldn't even be something to dox anyone beyond stupid OpSec so no data other than whatever username/account made the post to then call them out on their fucktard opinion later down the line.
There are of course 2 major issues with this plan.
I used to be an archaeologist, honestly the idea we went around stealing artifacts is plain bollocks, the vast majority were purchased, and the few we just took were legitimately saved from destruction. Take the Rosetta stone for example, arguably the most important discovery in Egyptian archaeology, it had been taken from its temple by the mamuluks and used as a building stone in Fort Julien, then discovered by the French during Napoleon's Egyptian campaign then captured by the British.
Egypt's honestly a great example for all this because the Arabs that had conquered and ruled Egypt didnt give a shit about its ancient past and so the tombs were all robbed and destroyed whenever found, it's only British and French antiquarian's who gave a shit about this stuff that saved it.
It's basically the same situation.
Our knowledge and understanding of human history outside of Europe, and a few exceptions like Japan, are totally lacking because those places are dangerous shitholes. You cpuldnt take an archaological team to Syria or Iraq to investigate ancient Babylonians because its honestly too dangerous, and suggesting there was history before Mohammed would get your ass killed out there.
If it wasnt for the British Empire and its stabilising influence on the regions it controlled and a few rich English eccentrics who splashed their cash on digging up old and rare things, we would know virtually nothing of the ancient world outside of Europe.
I left mainly because there was no money in the field. Lots of contact work that dried up in the winter or during economic hardships so it was a stressful career to make work financially.
In terms of finds, my most interesting dig was working for the National Museum of Serbia tracking down paleolithic sites along the Danube, we were trekking up mountains with local guides taking us to caves that hadn't been used since Tito and his rebels used them to fight the Germans in ww2, and taking core samples, then if we found anything interesting we would do a full excavation. Coolest thing we found in a cave in Montenegro was a fully articulated Auroch head and spine. Aurochs were an ancestor to modern cows but about twice the size and horns nearly 2 metres in length, this thing was a beast to look at. Not very significant but coolest thing to look at.
Most important find would be at ham hill in Somerset. The place is a huge hill fort dating to the bronze age, we found a series of grain pits, most were empty but one had been filled with human remains along with a beautifully polished stone axe which are super rare. They believe the grain pits when not used for grain storage would be symbolically used in burials because of their association with rebirth and life. So the bodies weren't dumped in a hole but carefully placed there with their prized belongings for rebirth in the afterlife.
Well that was a genuinely interesting read! Cheers for this!
And yeah, I've spent a tiny amount of time around that part of Somerset - my parents took me there because they used to live and work in the area (Taunton, Glasto, Bristol). Didn't specifically go there, though!
Palaeolithic Danube sounds damn interesting, though!! I know almost literally nothing about the ancient history of that area, except for with the Roman conquests, that giant bridge they built which is still partly standing, and that tribe which lived in what is now Romania (the Dacians?) that lived up in the mountains, and fought the Roman Empire...
But yeah, don't know much beyond that. Pre-history in that region must be pretty fascinating, I imagine!
The idea that pre-history wasn't bloody is only the assertion of Rousseau's Noble Savage claim, and it was discredited the moment he said it, because Americans Natives proved him to be an idiot. Additionally ancient peoples would have done nothing else but organize themselves among ethnic and tribal lines, because that's how you distinguish one family from another. They would have also been typically isolated enough such that each family would have been culturally distinct.
It saddens me to think of how much history has been lost, either because it was never written down in the first place or destroyed by ideologically motivated cunts (Muslims destroying artifacts in Afghanistan/Iraq). There is so much interesting stuff out there that we will probably never know the answer to, especially now when there's no interest in finding the truth.
Or, you could put it another way, I'm playing a Rome: Total War mod and am disappointed about how little is known about large parts of the world at that time.
The "far right" (meaning anyone not far left) commonly uses objectively true information to do what the far left calls "encouraging hate" (meaning describe objective reality).
I used to think the premise to Interstellar where humanity just abandons space flight and decides to never ever talk about space exploration again was preposterous. Yeah...
You'll just start having more and more plumbing breakdowns, with fewer qualified plumbers available, leading to longer wait times and shoddy patch jobs. We can already see this happening in the big cities. Though this is more to do with people not wanting to enter the skilled trades or do any hard work at all.
Change "Archeologists" to literally every field and institution.
50 years ago we were able to put men on the moon, then nobody's really sure what happened, and now we've regressed to the point that the enemies of civilization can say "harm" and "trauma" and completely subvert literally any progress we're making anywhere.
marxists were allowed to operate unchecked.
Still are.
Also we flooded our country with non-whites.
The whole "We went to the moon a few times using computing power equivalent to an Atari but then it got boring so we stopped decades ago. But we could still totally go back if we wanted to..." thing definitely makes you think.
Computer power equivalent to an Atari, a fuckton of money, and 1960s standards for safety.
I mean, we could do it today, but our truly inspiring politicians (I'd say what they inspire but I'm fairly sure it's not allowed, so we'll settle on "scorn, defiance, slight regard, contempt and anything that might not misbecome me") would much rather take the money themselves, would they not?
USSR was beating us on every level of rocket technology. Then we built the Saturn V, which was better than any rocket ever built by anyone before or since.
Once we used this unbelievable breakthrough a few times, we destroyed every copy in existence, destroyed all the tools used to build them, and burned all the plans describing how to make them.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That really depends on how you define "better", does it not?
The Saturn V's Rocketdyne F-1 main engines were exactly what they were designed to be - honking great rockets that guzzled fuel and threw out noise, light and plenty of thrust. But they were not efficient compared to what is available today.
The Shuttle's RS-25's still put out plenty of power and they offer almost 50% extra specific impulse.
That said, yes, destroying the plans was utterly idiotic.
Soviets lost the space race because their lead engineer, a Ukrainian man with surname Korolyov, died. He died because of injuries he suffered in labour camp (gulag) where he was sent in 1930s for being a counterrevolutionary.
We stopped exploring for no reason, then several decades later decided to spend way more money building a much worse rocket to put a black woman on the moon.
You can't build a Model T either.
I think, if you watch “famous” old movies from that time (which I’ve been doing quite a bit, lately), this sort of thing was well underway already, among “elites”…
Just look at the literal cuckoldry in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s”, for instance.
However the difference was that this simply hasn’t reached the cultural “mainstream”, yet…
By the 90s, it pretty much had. And then the internet took over, and it became “the default”.
Now? Now we’re barely allowed to even question it, without being labeled “an enemy of the state”, due for cancelling, etc…
But this “process” has been happening for decades, unfortunately…
If the left had their way, we never would have done it. At the launch of Apollo 11, there were protesters there, making it know that they think the space program should be defunded and the funds redirected to welfare.
And thus the "respected expert scientists" would rather publish outright lies parading "science" as a skinsuit. Like when top virologists and epidemiologists published an open letter falsely claiming it was impossible for the Wuhan coronavirus to be a result of a leak of a Gain of Function experiment from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
To dunk on "the wrong kind of people". "Science" is the new religion with its priest class using whatever lie necessary to manipulate people, and rejecting their claims is heresy leading to ostracization.
There was an article with an epidemiologist admitting that she and some of her colleagues expressed doubts about natural origin, but they didn't want to say anything that would associate them with Trump.
SCIENCE.
Once again we see the need for dismantling the contemporary university. It is a neo-Marxist ideological engine first, a means of objectively gathering and disseminating knowledge second (if at all).
The blame lay squarely with the creators and promoters of "interdisciplinary studies," the vehicle by which neo-Marxist concepts that were bred in the humanities (critical theory its various iterations) have been shoehorned into every single college discipline, bar none. The people hoping that the sciences would be immune have had a rude awakening.
If every field of science points to a specific direction, doesn't that make the direction right?
If every mathematician on the planet started saying 2+2=5, would you believe that 2+2=5?
Context. Pay attention. All of these people are bending over backwards to avoid the obvious conclusion that races are different.
I used to be an archaeologist over 10 years ago now, and this has been slowing taking over the field since the 60's. It used to be that we used to study the differences and traits of cultures that inhabited certain areas. For example in the British isles we would take the varying styles and designs in buildings, pottery and clothing, etc.. to give distinct names to the people of different eras and looking at the influences from elsewhere for changes in designs when they occured, we used to take it too far and before advancements in genetic research it was believed that wave upon wave of invasions or migrations would replace ethnic groups, e.g The beaker peoples, Celtic, Saxon and a viking Invasions, the first three of which have since been largely disproven. This all focused on material remains so whenever something new or distinct appeared it was big news. Around the 60s there was a wave of theory know as 'New Archaeology' which I'm convinced was just a front for Communism taking over the field, which shifted away from great events, places, people in history and focused on the hidden lives of normal people, the interconnectivity of societies and so on. All of this wasnt a bad thing in theory for the field but the manner it was wielded meant that distinct finds would be destroyed or ignored, and inconvenient evidence contrary to 'New Archaeological' theory would be quietly shelved, and archaeologist who published contrarian opinions would lose all credibility.
It's one of the reasons I left the field, besides there being no money in it, was that it felt like a lot of private digs were setting out to prove a theory and fitting the evidence to suit it rather than letting the evidence and data points speak for themselves. I even saw entire periods or prehistory just refused to be investigated because it touched upon modern taboos, for example early human evolution and the genetic differences between races. A lot of evidence is starting to discredit the out of africa theory and instead suggest that humans evolved separately and differently globally from a far more distant ape relative than previously believed. Aboriginal peoples are essentially a completely different species to Western Caucasians, sharing wildly different genetics. They share a much closer genetic makeup to the denisovan hominins who were thought to have gone extinct around the time of the Neanderthals, where as Western Europeans can often share up to 20% of our genetics to Homo Neanderthalis which is none existent outside of Caucasians.
When this was all first discovered it was massive news and had articles with every Archaological magazine and national geographic etc... now it's been essentially memory holed and you have to seriously dig deep, ironically, online to find any articles on it
the past is a threat to year zero
It's more of the same Globohomo push to deny the history of ethnic groups having distinct territories and insist to us, despite all evidence, (and in the old world, despite living memory of a few short decades ago), that our nations were always full people with whom our nearest common ancestor lived in the fucking ice age.
It's the fucking Kalergi plan.
I wanted to be an archaeologist, for years…
And in a different life, I might have been.
Therefore, this makes me quite sad. Also the whole Elgin Marbles debacle, that came out today (BM head wants to “hand them back” to Greece, despite them being legitimately purchased, not stolen, and against the wishes of Elgin’s descendants)…
Part of me wants to make some kind of "Social Autoopsy" style database for anyone who comes out with [woke] stupidtakes that later prove to be a massive fucking disaster and had significant warnings made at the time. The fairly obvious ones atm are covid vaccinations and lockdowns but things relating to museum pieces being returned can easily fit in there too.
Dumbass Normie: "It should go back to its country of origin!"
Anyone with half a brain: "That country doesn't exist any more/is on fire all the time."
/6 months later it gets sold and/or destroyed
Wouldn't even be something to dox anyone beyond stupid OpSec so no data other than whatever username/account made the post to then call them out on their fucktard opinion later down the line.
There are of course 2 major issues with this plan.
I'm too lazy to actually do it.
Nobody would actually learn from this anyway.
Shit man, I'd help you with this sounds awesome.
I used to be an archaeologist, honestly the idea we went around stealing artifacts is plain bollocks, the vast majority were purchased, and the few we just took were legitimately saved from destruction. Take the Rosetta stone for example, arguably the most important discovery in Egyptian archaeology, it had been taken from its temple by the mamuluks and used as a building stone in Fort Julien, then discovered by the French during Napoleon's Egyptian campaign then captured by the British. Egypt's honestly a great example for all this because the Arabs that had conquered and ruled Egypt didnt give a shit about its ancient past and so the tombs were all robbed and destroyed whenever found, it's only British and French antiquarian's who gave a shit about this stuff that saved it.
Sounds like Greece under the Ottomans, and how the Elgin Marbles came to be, well, the Elgin Marbles…
Funny that. 🤔
You used to be an archaeologist, hey? Any cool finds?? What made you stop?
It's basically the same situation. Our knowledge and understanding of human history outside of Europe, and a few exceptions like Japan, are totally lacking because those places are dangerous shitholes. You cpuldnt take an archaological team to Syria or Iraq to investigate ancient Babylonians because its honestly too dangerous, and suggesting there was history before Mohammed would get your ass killed out there. If it wasnt for the British Empire and its stabilising influence on the regions it controlled and a few rich English eccentrics who splashed their cash on digging up old and rare things, we would know virtually nothing of the ancient world outside of Europe.
I left mainly because there was no money in the field. Lots of contact work that dried up in the winter or during economic hardships so it was a stressful career to make work financially.
In terms of finds, my most interesting dig was working for the National Museum of Serbia tracking down paleolithic sites along the Danube, we were trekking up mountains with local guides taking us to caves that hadn't been used since Tito and his rebels used them to fight the Germans in ww2, and taking core samples, then if we found anything interesting we would do a full excavation. Coolest thing we found in a cave in Montenegro was a fully articulated Auroch head and spine. Aurochs were an ancestor to modern cows but about twice the size and horns nearly 2 metres in length, this thing was a beast to look at. Not very significant but coolest thing to look at.
Most important find would be at ham hill in Somerset. The place is a huge hill fort dating to the bronze age, we found a series of grain pits, most were empty but one had been filled with human remains along with a beautifully polished stone axe which are super rare. They believe the grain pits when not used for grain storage would be symbolically used in burials because of their association with rebirth and life. So the bodies weren't dumped in a hole but carefully placed there with their prized belongings for rebirth in the afterlife.
Well that was a genuinely interesting read! Cheers for this!
And yeah, I've spent a tiny amount of time around that part of Somerset - my parents took me there because they used to live and work in the area (Taunton, Glasto, Bristol). Didn't specifically go there, though!
Palaeolithic Danube sounds damn interesting, though!! I know almost literally nothing about the ancient history of that area, except for with the Roman conquests, that giant bridge they built which is still partly standing, and that tribe which lived in what is now Romania (the Dacians?) that lived up in the mountains, and fought the Roman Empire...
But yeah, don't know much beyond that. Pre-history in that region must be pretty fascinating, I imagine!
For those interested in the Dacia stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_Fortresses_of_the_Or%C4%83%C8%99tie_Mountains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Bridge#:~:text=The%20bridge%20was%20constructed%20in,can%20still%20be%20seen%20today.
And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan%27s_Dacian_Wars
Interesting shit.
I'm sure there are some people out there who think Roman = Romani = Romansh = Romania, which would make this all the more confusing. But anyway.
The idea that pre-history wasn't bloody is only the assertion of Rousseau's Noble Savage claim, and it was discredited the moment he said it, because Americans Natives proved him to be an idiot. Additionally ancient peoples would have done nothing else but organize themselves among ethnic and tribal lines, because that's how you distinguish one family from another. They would have also been typically isolated enough such that each family would have been culturally distinct.
Not unexpected in a field dominated by worthless twats and the laziest fat women in khaki outside a lane bryant in San Francisco.
It saddens me to think of how much history has been lost, either because it was never written down in the first place or destroyed by ideologically motivated cunts (Muslims destroying artifacts in Afghanistan/Iraq). There is so much interesting stuff out there that we will probably never know the answer to, especially now when there's no interest in finding the truth.
Or, you could put it another way, I'm playing a Rome: Total War mod and am disappointed about how little is known about large parts of the world at that time.
The "far right" (meaning anyone not far left) commonly uses objectively true information to do what the far left calls "encouraging hate" (meaning describe objective reality).
I used to think the premise to Interstellar where humanity just abandons space flight and decides to never ever talk about space exploration again was preposterous. Yeah...
You'll just start having more and more plumbing breakdowns, with fewer qualified plumbers available, leading to longer wait times and shoddy patch jobs. We can already see this happening in the big cities. Though this is more to do with people not wanting to enter the skilled trades or do any hard work at all.