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TentElephant 35 points ago +36 / -1

Holding the plebs responsible for the actions of the elite has been the mindset of western liberals since at least WW1. That is what justified the treaty of Versailles, the firebombings of Dresden, the nuking of Japan, the obliteration of villages in Vietnam, every economic sanction such as those that lead to the starvation of Iraqi children. It has demonstrably never worked as intended, but it's an unassailable paradigm in liberal foreign policy.

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AntonioOfVenice 21 points ago +21 / -0

They can't criticize their beloved fellow elites. Instead they attack the people whom they hated to begin with: the common man. Hell, a lot of their politics revolves around hating on ordinary people.

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APDSmith 23 points ago +23 / -0

OK, I know this is trite, but I must show how stupid this is:

Every citizen is responsible for the actions of their state, and citizens of Germany are no exception. Therefore, we do not give asylum to Jews who flee their country. They should oppose the war.

It's not a comparable situation.

But that standard is idiocy.

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BandageBandolier 15 points ago +15 / -0

It's also the same justification used for random terrorist attacks on civilians in countries you don't like.

Then again, it's not the first time international foreign affairs has demonstrated it's the real pro-league for terrorism.

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NoGardE 5 points ago +5 / -0

The funny thing is, this principle, ridiculous as it is, follows from the assumptions that underpin democracy. That doesn't make the principle any better, it just demonstrates that democracy is a moral evil.

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dzonatan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Moral evil? No. Naive? Yes.

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NoGardE 1 point ago +1 / -0

Democracy is gang rape. Violating the rights of minorities on the mere basis that they're outnumbered and overpowered.

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dzonatan 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think you need to move out from where you live right now.

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NoGardE 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't mind upgrading from the third acre that I own in a suburb to a mountain ranch, but sadly I have a bit more saving to do before I can afford that.

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SoctaticMethod1 10 points ago +10 / -0

So you want to unify 'the enemy' who has lots of raw resources, a very sizable population and is more religiously unified than the rest of Europe by holding them all collectively responsible.

Time to learn Russian I guess.....

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SupremeReader [S] 5 points ago +6 / -1

If you mean unified statistically, Russia has far more Muslims than any EU country (soon to be national majority among the young people), as well as the biggest mosques (including the biggest temple in Moscow), federal blasphemy law, actual Sharia law regionally, and now an armed international jihad sponsored by the central government.

If you mean unified together, they've had a savage religious warfare not long ago, and while the man who literally declared jihad on Russia and called all Muslims to "kill as many Russians as you can" was later declared a Hero of Russia by Putin (and his son now leads the jihad against Ukraine) they may still revert to this state of affairs or worse.

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SoctaticMethod1 5 points ago +6 / -1

That's still better than Europe currently where it looks like there's going to be a mass bloodshed event (can't tell if it'll just be terrorism or an actual insurrection attempt) because the left keep pissing off the Muslims by also trying to indoctrinate THEIR kids

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LibertyPrimeWasRight 3 points ago +3 / -0

If I’m understanding the implications of what you’re saying correctly, that’s actually quite clever by Putin. He managed to co-opt an ability to declare jihad and turn his enemies into his shock troops. Frankly, if the Muslims that were declaring war on him (and may go to war against him again) are now the ones facing the majority of the casualties in Ukraine on his behalf, say what you want morally, but that’s quite the coup.

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SupremeReader [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

The heaviest losses compared to the population so far were being suffered by the mostly Buddhist Mongol groups (and a former president of Mongolia just appealed for the Russian Mongols to seek asylum in Mongolia).

But Dagestan was also hit hard, while figures from Chechnya are just unavailable.

By sheer numbers it's the conscripts from the occupied territories, being mass mobilized since mid February and often given WWII weapons and gear.

Barely anyone from Moscow besides career officers and some police/FSB types.

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SupremeReader [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also on Moscow (& St Pete) Vs Dagestan: https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1573985268822151168

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bloodguard 7 points ago +7 / -0

Let's see if she's brave enough to say the same about Syrian men.

You could say the same for pretty much any "migrant". You need to stay and fix your shit instead of dragging it over here.

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AntonioOfVenice 7 points ago +9 / -2

I'm fine with this. The actions of the collective West targeting ordinary Russians helped immeasurably in rallying Russians around Putin and the war, so thanks, dumb slut.

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ailurus 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm pretty sure Russians who are trying to flee the country rather than get mobilized/drafted/whatever aren't supporting Putin or his war?

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LauriThorne 8 points ago +8 / -0

No no you don't understand. They can't simply flee the country and deny him the manpower, they must fight asymmetrical warfare against the Russian military

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evilplushie 4 points ago +4 / -0

So you're going to give russia more soldiers

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TheImpossible1 4 points ago +7 / -3

It is what I think it is. Estonia was the same country that agreed to send Ukrainian men who fled back to Ukraine.

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ernsithe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fleeing conscription is opposing the war.

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SupremeReader [S] -1 points ago +3 / -4

But who knows, maybe if u/AntonioOfVenice have been barred entry to his so hated Europe and forced to stay in Lebanon he would today lead his Ants militia, Iike the Tigers militia (that got massacred by their rival Christians during the civil war, not the last such event) but with even more combat fedoras. Because it feels like they're the only ethno-religious group there without their own standing militias today, while the country is on a brink once again.

But anyway, it's because the Baltic nations just have enough of ethnic Russians as it is (1/4 of the entire population since the Soviet deportation and colonization campaigns, majority in some places), and many of them are highly troublesome.

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AntonioOfVenice 6 points ago +9 / -3

Not sure why you're so obsessed with me and what point exactly you're trying to make.

Because my parents fled our home country, I can't criticize the craven, lowlife and corrupt politicians who are inciting war, ruining this continent and importing Muslims en masse so that Europe will also become unlivable?

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SarcasticRidley 8 points ago +9 / -1

Not sure why you're so obsessed with me

Oh the irony...

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SupremeReader [S] 0 points ago +4 / -4

See, you've tried but wouldn't hide where you are from. The "I'm not an Arab, I'm ARABIZED" was a telltale sign, adding to the rest of the clues.

But seriously, so what's up with the old country and what are you going to do about it, personally? I'm kinda sympathetic to the Lebanese Christians, no matter how much overconfident assholes they used to be. Also it was an incredible moment when the straight up Neo-Nazi gangs from Europe worked hand in hand with Israeli intelligence agents early on.

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AntonioOfVenice 8 points ago +11 / -3

See, you've tried but wouldn't hide where you are from.

I'd rather keep you guessing. It's safer that way. I've never had someone try to doxx me. Only you. Just how mad are you about your puppet shithole non-country? That you would attack someone from a real country with a real history?

The "I'm not an Arab, I'm ARABIZED" was a telltale sign, adding to the rest of the clues.

That is your silver bullet? You know nothing of the region. All the Christians from the area are autochthonous, therefore not Arabs - unless they trace themselves back to the tribes who were expelled from the Arabian peninsula upon Muhammad's death.

But seriously, so what's up with the old country and what are you going to do about it, personally?

I've left some other clues, which fortunately you're not enough of a stalker to go track down. lol @ your early claims that I am a "Muslim" and that I "hate my fellow brown people".

I'm kinda sympathetic to the Lebanese Christians, no matter how much overconfident assholes they used to be.

Assholes? It's their land.

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SupremeReader [S] 0 points ago +2 / -2

Lebanon being "a real country" is something else man, at least the Iraqi nationalism has the Caliphate of Baghdad to fall on from before the European colonial era (and Assyria, while they ever oppress the Assyrians).

I was trying to get a raise from you (successfully), of course you're a "real Phoenician".

Very unironically I wish you good luck in your possible boogaloo endeavours. You're going to need it.

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AntonioOfVenice 7 points ago +8 / -1

Lebanon being "a real country" is something else man,

Man, this is embarrassing. Never heard of Tyre? Where was Ukraine 3000 years ago? Hell, where was even Poland 3000 years ago?

I was trying to get a raise from you (successfully),

If this is the quality of work that you deliver, raises are not in order, either here or at work.

of course you're a "real Phoenician".

It'll be funny when (or rather, if) you ever find out the truth.

How are you this mad about a different views on a corrupt, puppet non-country?

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SupremeReader [S] -1 points ago +2 / -3

It wasn't "Lebanon", which is a hilariously dysfunctional and entirely artificial creation of the French and British empires that needed the European and American watch and interventions to stop it from violently imploding upon itself, which happened anyway after the Palestinians of all people tried to take it over, until 15 years later this "country" of dozens of warring factions was only brought more or less together by the final Syrian invasion as a Syrian and Iranian puppet protectorate ever since (especially since "South Lebanon" ceased to exist literally instantly after the Israeli occupation's pullout a few years later still).

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AntonioOfVenice 7 points ago +7 / -0

It wasn't "Lebanon", which is a hilariously dysfunctional and entirely artificial creation of the French and British empires

You yourself tried to seize on 'Kievan Rus' as some sort of Ukrainian state, simply because it happens to be located partially on the location that the collective West claims for a 'Ukrainian state'. But Tyre, no way, you bad, you not our puppet!

I hope you will be well again soon. This is not normal. Lubie Polska.