My English teacher in highschool had us read this poem. He said it was his favorite, and we would understand it one day. The older I get, the more I feel it. I hear you..
Those Winter Sundays
Sundays too my father got up early
and put his clothes on in the blueblack cold,
then with cracked hands that ached
from labor in the weekday weather made
banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him.
I’d wake and hear the cold splintering, breaking.
When the rooms were warm, he’d call,
and slowly I would rise and dress,
fearing the chronic angers of that house,
Speaking indifferently to him,
who had driven out the cold
and polished my good shoes as well.
What did I know, what did I know
of love’s austere and lonely offices?
I don't even know if it's a matter of "taking crap" as opposed to "taking responsibility".
If I'm responsible for getting a job done, and some idiot co-worker is messing it up, I get pissed. If some idiot on the road or in a parking lot puts my car at risk, which I'm responsible for, I get pissed. If I come home to my house, which I'm responsible for, and some lazy wife left it trashed, or some shit-heel kid broke something, I get pissed.
The biggest problem I have with "extreme responsibility" is that I now realize that 99% of people are total assholes, who have no problem destroying somebody's property or trashing a public space if they think they won't get caught. The other 1% are heroes that keep civilization running.
It seems that the idea that being a stay-at-home parent is a full-time job is becoming a thing of the past. A survey commissioned by Welch’s found that mothers work an average of 14 hours a day or a 98-hour workweek — the equivalent of 2.5 full-time jobs caring for their children. The survey looked at 2,000 US moms with children aged 5 to 12 and revealed that, on average, they started their duties at 6:23 a.m. and ended the day at 8:31 p.m., with only 1.7 hours of free time in between.
lmao fucking what
Wake up.
Send kids to school.
Literally nothing for the next 8 hours.
Also, here's the neat thing about kids - they grow up and they eventually take care of themselves. The older a kid gets, the less work they are. The first six years of a kids' life you basically have to do everything for them because they're stupid fuckups (ever seen a five year old insist he can pour his own juice?), but by the time they're seven they can manage most tasks, they can help with the chores, etc.
Even then those 6 years aren't really all THAT much work. Year one is basically just cleaning up their shit. Year two and three is basically making sure they don't kill themselves. Four through six is just performing basic tasks and slinging food at them.
SAHMs want to pretend that they slave away all day. LMAO bitch what, your youngest kid is like 12 years old.
Also, kids nowadays are retarded zombies being raised by tablets. They probably don't do shit like color on walls anymore because they've never seen a marker in real life.
I could accept it, if keeping a home meant actually manually doing everything. But the typical "I organise my organiser to be organised" busywork bullshit a bunch of those stay at home mega mommies do is absolute useless bullshit.
Does she garden? Does she keep her own animals? Everything home cooked, canned, preserved? Does she sew clothes, knit, crochet, make everything she can herself?
No, taking your kid to piano classes and reorganising your fridge the 5th time this month is not 2,5 real jobs.
Women in 1922: Manually beating rugs, hand-washing linens and hanging to dry, growing, harvesting, and canning because you're in the middle of the Great Depression, sewing new clothes out of sackcloth.
Women in the 2022: "'Alexa, ask Roomba to vacuum. Also, send in my curbside delivery grocery order.' God I'm so oppressed by this patriarchal hell."
Even if she does all those things, it's not a 14 hour day, at least if the kids are older. Turns out kids can learn to do every houshold chore if you put in the time to teach them.
I'm a stay at home Dad; I don't "work" 14 hours a day, I'm on call 14 hours a day. During that time I can do pretty much anything I want, including taking a nap, so long as the kids are good.
I also work, so I get a taste of both, and some days I'd rather spend 10 hours roofing than deal with the kids, but to say that they're "working" 14 hours a day is laughable.
Unless you're regularly buying "priced to sell" meats and live within a 5 minute walk to a store, you should be doing (at most) one grocery run a week.
Cook food
Learn to meal/food prep. Start of every month, I have everything I need ready so that I can pull it from the freezer, stick it in an over/crockpot, and let it cook.
Kids come back home, help them with homework and mental issues if neccesary.
Right, because "just Google it" is so much work when you raised your kids to stare into a nightmare rectangle. You know, the same horror brick that caused those mental issues in the first place.
God, woman today aren't good for fucking anything, huh?
You mean that shit literally every single person has to do as a basic necessity of life? Seriously, are you mopping the floor and washing the walls every single day?
Stop misconstruing my point. If you had small kids you'd know what it's like to pick up toys, drawings and YES, even removing pencil stains from walls. Can take easily 1 or 2 hours a day.
Unless you're regularly buying "priced to sell" meats and live within a 5 minute walk to a store, you should be doing (at most) one grocery run a week.
Picking up a fresh bread baked on the same day is nice. You should try it some time.
Learn to meal/food prep. Start of every month, I have everything I need ready so that I can pull it from the freezer, stick it in an over/crockpot, and let it cook.
I like it when my meals have some love in it and not made like on a production line. Ponder about it.
Right, because "just Google it" is so much work when you raised your kids to stare into a nightmare rectangle. You know, the same horror brick that caused those mental issues in the first place.
I think it speaks volumes about your parents when their go-to reaction to helping you is pointing you to the nearest internet device. I pity you.
at it's like to pick up toys, drawings and YES, even removing pencil stains from walls
Careful you don't break a nail, dear.
Picking up a fresh bread baked on the same day is nice. You should try it some time.
Literally lost 80lbs cutting bread, pusta, sugar, and all that shit out of my diet.
I like it when my meals have some love in it and not made like on a production line. Ponder about it.
You act like I'm making an entire course and nuking it instead of portioning out ingredients and prepping them for the last mile.
I think it speaks volumes about your parents when their go-to reaction to helping you is pointing you to the nearest internet device. I pity you.
And I pity the person whose day is so fucking nice they complain about how hard it is to pick up plastic toys. Let me know when you start having to wake up at 5:30am, drive for half an hour, and get RSI from grinding concrete off a prefab bed, working so late in the day that you don't even see the fucking sun. But hey, at least it's not washing a fucking wall with Windex.
You're not giving yourself an favours acting like an ass.
Literally lost 80lbs cutting bread, pusta, sugar, and all that shit out of my diet.
As well as ability to relate to other people different than you.
You act like I'm making an entire course and nuking it instead of portioning out ingredients and prepping them for the last mile.
You act hostile for no good reason.
And I pity the person whose day is so fucking nice they complain about how hard it is to pick up plastic toys. Let me know when you start having to wake up at 5:30am, drive for half an hour, and get RSI from grinding concrete off a prefab bed, working so late in the day that you don't even see the fucking sun. But hey, at least it's not washing a fucking wall with Windex.
I disagree. I never understood how you 'invalidate' a person. What is an invalid person? If you go by the etymology, it makes sense, someone who is disabled.
But is that a definition you just invented based on how they use it, and how it was used in this case, or is that actually something that normal, level-headed people used?
Yes, you do qualify. But I think you just use it in this manner because you've seen it used so many times by the crazies - as I have.
They love the word because of its vagueness. Like 'shitty person'. What is a shitty person? Anyone they don't like! What is invalidating their lowlife ass? Anything said that they don't like.
And "WHAT?! CAN'T A MAN EFFING REST AFTER WORKING LONG HOURS!!" is the common phrase he uses daily.
Couldn't have written a more boring stereotype.
This is feminist fanfiction. They are emotional addicts, intellectual midgets, they crave suffering, they're idiot children, so they invent these clichés so they can wallow in righteous anger, seethe and rage, and let the hate flow through them.
Feminism is truly a hate ideology. It fills them with hatred and the lust to hate.
If she wants to put herself in her dad's shoes, she needs to do it all the way. Let her get up with him, work his job, and then see if him complaints still seem unreasonable.
They wouldn't attempt it if they didn't think there was a chance they could actually get it.
Nah. First of all, their 'thoughts' have precious little to do with reality. Secondly, it's the Ukraine strategy - by pushing the envelope you move the Overton Window.
A 20% quota in high positions sounds less unreasonable when there are people demanding that women be paid for taking care of their own kids.
That is why Nazis are useful in small doses. If there are no actual Nazis, the people most right will be called Nazis, and so forth until Sam Harris is a Nazi.
I just thought, what would be a fun way to trigger a divorce, is to stop paying the mortgage and property taxes but don't tell anyone. Bitch can't get the house when the bank owns it lmao
I think it's hard to judge without more details. Some dads are out of line. Sometimes it's the mothers who don't work and don't parent.
Either way our society is fucked because men = bad and women = good despite knowing the situation.
Men seem to be the ones who are even trying to acknowledge nuance.
My English teacher in highschool had us read this poem. He said it was his favorite, and we would understand it one day. The older I get, the more I feel it. I hear you..
That’s a damn good poem
I don't even know if it's a matter of "taking crap" as opposed to "taking responsibility".
If I'm responsible for getting a job done, and some idiot co-worker is messing it up, I get pissed. If some idiot on the road or in a parking lot puts my car at risk, which I'm responsible for, I get pissed. If I come home to my house, which I'm responsible for, and some lazy wife left it trashed, or some shit-heel kid broke something, I get pissed.
The biggest problem I have with "extreme responsibility" is that I now realize that 99% of people are total assholes, who have no problem destroying somebody's property or trashing a public space if they think they won't get caught. The other 1% are heroes that keep civilization running.
It's like that quote is it not? "Most people are like ghosts who haunt houses built by their betters".
lmao fucking what
Wake up.
Send kids to school.
Literally nothing for the next 8 hours.
Also, here's the neat thing about kids - they grow up and they eventually take care of themselves. The older a kid gets, the less work they are. The first six years of a kids' life you basically have to do everything for them because they're stupid fuckups (ever seen a five year old insist he can pour his own juice?), but by the time they're seven they can manage most tasks, they can help with the chores, etc.
Even then those 6 years aren't really all THAT much work. Year one is basically just cleaning up their shit. Year two and three is basically making sure they don't kill themselves. Four through six is just performing basic tasks and slinging food at them.
SAHMs want to pretend that they slave away all day. LMAO bitch what, your youngest kid is like 12 years old.
Also, kids nowadays are retarded zombies being raised by tablets. They probably don't do shit like color on walls anymore because they've never seen a marker in real life.
I could accept it, if keeping a home meant actually manually doing everything. But the typical "I organise my organiser to be organised" busywork bullshit a bunch of those stay at home mega mommies do is absolute useless bullshit.
Does she garden? Does she keep her own animals? Everything home cooked, canned, preserved? Does she sew clothes, knit, crochet, make everything she can herself?
No, taking your kid to piano classes and reorganising your fridge the 5th time this month is not 2,5 real jobs.
Women in 1922: Manually beating rugs, hand-washing linens and hanging to dry, growing, harvesting, and canning because you're in the middle of the Great Depression, sewing new clothes out of sackcloth.
Women in the 2022: "'Alexa, ask Roomba to vacuum. Also, send in my curbside delivery grocery order.' God I'm so oppressed by this patriarchal hell."
Even if she does all those things, it's not a 14 hour day, at least if the kids are older. Turns out kids can learn to do every houshold chore if you put in the time to teach them.
I'm a stay at home Dad; I don't "work" 14 hours a day, I'm on call 14 hours a day. During that time I can do pretty much anything I want, including taking a nap, so long as the kids are good.
I also work, so I get a taste of both, and some days I'd rather spend 10 hours roofing than deal with the kids, but to say that they're "working" 14 hours a day is laughable.
You mean that shit literally every single person has to do as a basic necessity of life? Seriously, are you mopping the floor and washing the walls every single day?
Unless you're regularly buying "priced to sell" meats and live within a 5 minute walk to a store, you should be doing (at most) one grocery run a week.
Learn to meal/food prep. Start of every month, I have everything I need ready so that I can pull it from the freezer, stick it in an over/crockpot, and let it cook.
Right, because "just Google it" is so much work when you raised your kids to stare into a nightmare rectangle. You know, the same horror brick that caused those mental issues in the first place.
God, woman today aren't good for fucking anything, huh?
Stop misconstruing my point. If you had small kids you'd know what it's like to pick up toys, drawings and YES, even removing pencil stains from walls. Can take easily 1 or 2 hours a day.
Picking up a fresh bread baked on the same day is nice. You should try it some time.
I like it when my meals have some love in it and not made like on a production line. Ponder about it.
I think it speaks volumes about your parents when their go-to reaction to helping you is pointing you to the nearest internet device. I pity you.
Careful you don't break a nail, dear.
Literally lost 80lbs cutting bread, pusta, sugar, and all that shit out of my diet.
You act like I'm making an entire course and nuking it instead of portioning out ingredients and prepping them for the last mile.
And I pity the person whose day is so fucking nice they complain about how hard it is to pick up plastic toys. Let me know when you start having to wake up at 5:30am, drive for half an hour, and get RSI from grinding concrete off a prefab bed, working so late in the day that you don't even see the fucking sun. But hey, at least it's not washing a fucking wall with Windex.
You're not giving yourself an favours acting like an ass.
As well as ability to relate to other people different than you.
You act hostile for no good reason.
And look what it did to you.
Dad works nine to five, mom's only job is to get a kid to school, cook dinner and sweep a floor instead of drinking wine while watching The View.
That Redditor is going to be posting in a couple years about how their dad commit suicide.
FAKE!
No one who isn't a SJW tard uses that verb like this.
I disagree. I never understood how you 'invalidate' a person. What is an invalid person? If you go by the etymology, it makes sense, someone who is disabled.
But is that a definition you just invented based on how they use it, and how it was used in this case, or is that actually something that normal, level-headed people used?
Yes, you do qualify. But I think you just use it in this manner because you've seen it used so many times by the crazies - as I have.
They love the word because of its vagueness. Like 'shitty person'. What is a shitty person? Anyone they don't like! What is invalidating their lowlife ass? Anything said that they don't like.
First totally made up, and second there is a reason witches were burned.
LOL that happened. I bet everyone clapped, too.
Fake as hell.
that definitely happened....
He complains that a well kept house is dirty?
And "WHAT?! CAN'T A MAN EFFING REST AFTER WORKING LONG HOURS!!" is the common phrase he uses daily.
Couldn't have written a more boring stereotype.
This is feminist fanfiction. They are emotional addicts, intellectual midgets, they crave suffering, they're idiot children, so they invent these clichés so they can wallow in righteous anger, seethe and rage, and let the hate flow through them.
Feminism is truly a hate ideology. It fills them with hatred and the lust to hate.
You can tell Reddit is delusional when the first words weren’t “what do you pay in rent?”
If she wants to put herself in her dad's shoes, she needs to do it all the way. Let her get up with him, work his job, and then see if him complaints still seem unreasonable.
Also no need to use nuclear weapons, but only if the other side knows that you are able and willing to nuke their ass.
It fits with their normal retardation though, in demanding pay for taking care of their own children...
Nah. First of all, their 'thoughts' have precious little to do with reality. Secondly, it's the Ukraine strategy - by pushing the envelope you move the Overton Window.
A 20% quota in high positions sounds less unreasonable when there are people demanding that women be paid for taking care of their own kids.
That is why Nazis are useful in small doses. If there are no actual Nazis, the people most right will be called Nazis, and so forth until Sam Harris is a Nazi.
I just thought, what would be a fun way to trigger a divorce, is to stop paying the mortgage and property taxes but don't tell anyone. Bitch can't get the house when the bank owns it lmao
I've seen people who claim to read minds.
You're the first to claim to be able to read the mind of someone you don't even know, based on a Reddit post by a family member.