I mean, she's obviously a diversity hire. I watched the show, and she is so talentless that it looks like someone dropped a random cosplayer into a serious TV production.
She's surrounded by A list talent like McGregor or the guy playing Bail Organa (can't remember his name, but damn he's good at playing the doting father).
I totally understand people being pissed. I think if she was good at acting, people wouldn't mind as much. I don't recall there being any hatred of Finn's character or casting, for example. The issue with Finn is that they didn't know where to go with him after the first movie since they kinda completed his arc there.
The only thing I disliked about Finn is the trope of interracial relationship between a dark man and white woman that Hollywood is so obsessed with. Outside of that, he was an interesting character, at least at the beginning.
Jimmy Smits. Definitely an actor with history, though the only other thing I recall from him was that attorney character in the third season of Dexter.
Halfway through the 3rd episode I’m starting to notice there’s a lot more wrong with the show. The camera work, the attention to detail on Leia compared to everyone else, the mixture of child-like fun with something that should be serious, no clear direction with the movie (is it a movie about Leia or Kenobi). The list goes on. I’m surprised that no one is talking about the director.
Excellent point. You've put into words something that has been bothering me for a while. Kenobi is, in my view, supposed to be a dark story. The Jedi were defeated, the Empire owns the galaxy, Vader is in his prime, and Kenobi is still grappling with his failure along with the new responsibility he has to Luke... it's not supposed to be a fun adventure story. It wasn't portrayed that way in the trailer either. I remember vividly that it looked like Obi-Wan was struggling with living the life of a hunted man.
Yet here comes the show, and now it looks like "Adventure Time with Leia"! You have cute robots, little jokes, etc. I'm not saying you can't have jokes but damn, it's supposed to be a bleak atmosphere and that is not conveyed well in the show. Some of the blame is due to the inquisitors not coming across as threatening, which of course is partly due to Reva playing "angry black woman" and partly because they killed off the grand inquisitor in the second episode (whose idea was that?). They barely introduce the inquisitors and they are already a footnote.
The scene where Leia is being chased through the forest by three full grown adult males and somehow eludes them is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on TV. It's straight out of a cartoon Disney show. There are lots of logical errors that make it hard to take it seriously. In the latest episode, there is a completely unexplained situation involving a tunnel and one character appearing to show up at the end of it before another, despite the latter entering the tunnel first and having a huge head start. My head hurts trying to follow stuff like this.
I thought they were positioning Finn to be the next Luke. I liked the character so I was fine with it. Then a feminist white woman put her boot on his head and Mary Sue’d her way to the top.
With the black chick in this one, I felt the same as you when I saw her next to McGregor, who is a top tier film actor. She doesn’t fit the role, she’s not a good actor here, and they intentionally made her look not fit her rank because if they had made her look like the other guys she wouldn’t show off her blackness. People liked all the other black characters in the fucking franchise. They don’t dislike her because she’s black. They dislike that she was clearly hired and forced into this because she’s black. Anyone else doing what she’s doing on screen would have been cut.
I’d have rather them break the story and bring Samuel L Jackson back than have her. She’s objectively bad in the role. I’m not saying she’s a bad actress because I haven’t seen her do anything else, but she’s doing a bad job here. Even the Paki comedian guy was good here.
I thought they were positioning Finn to be the next Luke. I liked the character so I was fine with it. Then a feminist white woman put her boot on his head and Mary Sue’d her way to the top.
I know lol! At the end of the movie, too. I was in disbelief at that point. Somehow she is going toe to toe with the guy trained by Luke, even though she has never held a lightsaber before. She should have been no better off than Finn, but of course, woman.
Even the Paki comedian guy was good here.
That's what I said. That character was well played, and I thought he added value to the story. Like for example, I am curious as to his motivations for wanting to help the Jedi. Clearly he idealizes them somewhat even though what they believe is totally at odds with his life as a criminal. That's a great setup for a character. The only reason I care at all about that is because I found his performance convincing.
What's worse is that Reva actually has a great backstory, being one of the Jedi Padawans that survived Anakin's temple massacre. I liked the little quips from her about Owen "protecting his family" (the way the Jedi and Obi-Wan failed to do for her), and so on, it's just that her delivery was crap. All I get from her is "angry black woman" vibes. What the hell was that parkour stuff on the rooftops about? She was only several rooftops away and did all that running and jumping for nothing because she never got there despite Kenobi having the time to kill the lizard and rescue Leia.
They are clearly setting her up for a redemption arc, which would be fine and good except now we are forced to sit through a terrible acting performance for longer because she is evidently the main focus of this story.
Dude was lighting his farts on camera well into his 40s, he's definitely not the smartest. He's just an unusually charming idiot, not unusual for celebrities.
No, no. Remember, "tHeRe WaS nO SouRcE maTerIAL!", so ofc their groundbreaking and entirely novel story that wasn't ANH redone might have a rocky start because people hate new things, just like how they've finally cast a black person in Star Wars because Lando Calrissian, Mace Windu, Moff Gideon, Jolee Bindo, Ashoka [kind of, she's orange, but they cast Rosario Dawson to play her because 'orange is the new black' again], Finn [despite being both a shit and squandered character with a shit actor], any many others were never a thing, bigot!
It is funny to think that they’re acting like Star Wars didn’t have black people when Star Wars has had some of the most iconic and well written black characters and Darth Vader was voiced by a black man and is a character that’s as black as a crayon.
But this is the trend ever since the obsession with diversity/representation started. Act like nobody but white males where in movies/tv shows until 2016.
They do that with everything too, trying to act like some chick in a political position is the first black person to do X or Y, then you look back and she wasn’t at all the first black.
I don’t know how this chick was directed but her performance wasn’t good. She looks like someone won a contest to appear as an extra and it went too far. I don’t like the Leia chick, either, but I don’t think she’s necessarily a bad actress. I just don’t like what they did with the character and they made her insufferable. With the black chick, she’s just bad. The idea of the character is fine. Some Sith lady that’s seemingly super evil that obviously will change sides. Or just be evil. Then this black chick fucked it all up.
If a white man voiced a black man in a CurrentYear cartoon, there would be an outcry that his whiteness is infecting and taking over the black man's body, consuming it entirely and making him effectively white. That logic can therefore be applied here as well, but with black man voicing white man. Jones' work overrides and consumes the portrayal.
Problem is Finn also suffers from an insufferable woke actor. Boyega not only played the race card multiple times throughout the Disney Trilogy, including shouting down someone who tried to make a comparable statement, but he also proved he has zero fucking clue about other projects when he's working on them. His role in Pacific Rim 2 also included helping with the writing and yet he specifically called for the PR2 main Jaeger to have swords on both arms because [paraphrasing] "in a sequel you should have more". Gypsy Danger already had swords in both arms. You see it deploy both in the last fight because one of them gets immediately torn off with most of the arm by one of the Kaiju. The same Kaiju that is then bifurcated by the other sword arm moments later.
I'm still mad at the way the fat asian creature not only cucked him out of an actual, genuine heroic sacrifice, but how the usual metoo clapped as she stole him a kiss (a grave systemic double-rape crime on a minority in current year +10) as the giant fuck-you-laser blew up the last remnants of the resistance in the background.
Finns story should (the initial part) have been a comic book or novel arc. It wasn't appropriate for the big main story. But really the entire premise of the TFA was retarded and was just an excuse to do a fanservice cashin.
Yeah, the pro-human stance of the Empire was definitely a thing, such that seeing any non-human having anything official to do with the Empire was a sign of superior merit (See: Thrawn).
You know, it is kinda funny how much they've tried to "diversify" the Empire at this point. Yeah, they're the bad guys, but were still bad guys we could enjoy to watch in the past. And the moment they "diversified" the bad guys, you couldn't even do that anymore.
Ironically, it seems like they made the Resistance markedly less diverse than it was in the past. There are significantly less non-human characters than there were in the original and prequel trilogies. In fact, the most prominent alien character in the OT, Chewbacca, was religated to the role of family dog/Uber driver.
A lot of confusion came from the prequels showing us that the first stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett. Many casual fans didn't know that the clones were fazed out over time as the Empire became established.
I mean, she's obviously a diversity hire. I watched the show, and she is so talentless that it looks like someone dropped a random cosplayer into a serious TV production.
She's surrounded by A list talent like McGregor or the guy playing Bail Organa (can't remember his name, but damn he's good at playing the doting father).
I totally understand people being pissed. I think if she was good at acting, people wouldn't mind as much. I don't recall there being any hatred of Finn's character or casting, for example. The issue with Finn is that they didn't know where to go with him after the first movie since they kinda completed his arc there.
The only thing I disliked about Finn is the trope of interracial relationship between a dark man and white woman that Hollywood is so obsessed with. Outside of that, he was an interesting character, at least at the beginning.
Jimmy Smits. Definitely an actor with history, though the only other thing I recall from him was that attorney character in the third season of Dexter.
He played Discount Obama in West Wing.
He's Amy's father in Brooklyn 99.
L.A. Law, back in '86-'92, the role that put him on the map for most of his career.
He was on NYPD Blue you losers.
That was a funny, are we suppose to ignore that she is obviously a diversity hire?
If being called a diversity hire is insulting doesn't that mean that implementing diversity hiring practices is bad?
Excellent point. You've put into words something that has been bothering me for a while. Kenobi is, in my view, supposed to be a dark story. The Jedi were defeated, the Empire owns the galaxy, Vader is in his prime, and Kenobi is still grappling with his failure along with the new responsibility he has to Luke... it's not supposed to be a fun adventure story. It wasn't portrayed that way in the trailer either. I remember vividly that it looked like Obi-Wan was struggling with living the life of a hunted man.
Yet here comes the show, and now it looks like "Adventure Time with Leia"! You have cute robots, little jokes, etc. I'm not saying you can't have jokes but damn, it's supposed to be a bleak atmosphere and that is not conveyed well in the show. Some of the blame is due to the inquisitors not coming across as threatening, which of course is partly due to Reva playing "angry black woman" and partly because they killed off the grand inquisitor in the second episode (whose idea was that?). They barely introduce the inquisitors and they are already a footnote.
The scene where Leia is being chased through the forest by three full grown adult males and somehow eludes them is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on TV. It's straight out of a cartoon Disney show. There are lots of logical errors that make it hard to take it seriously. In the latest episode, there is a completely unexplained situation involving a tunnel and one character appearing to show up at the end of it before another, despite the latter entering the tunnel first and having a huge head start. My head hurts trying to follow stuff like this.
I thought they were positioning Finn to be the next Luke. I liked the character so I was fine with it. Then a feminist white woman put her boot on his head and Mary Sue’d her way to the top.
With the black chick in this one, I felt the same as you when I saw her next to McGregor, who is a top tier film actor. She doesn’t fit the role, she’s not a good actor here, and they intentionally made her look not fit her rank because if they had made her look like the other guys she wouldn’t show off her blackness. People liked all the other black characters in the fucking franchise. They don’t dislike her because she’s black. They dislike that she was clearly hired and forced into this because she’s black. Anyone else doing what she’s doing on screen would have been cut.
I’d have rather them break the story and bring Samuel L Jackson back than have her. She’s objectively bad in the role. I’m not saying she’s a bad actress because I haven’t seen her do anything else, but she’s doing a bad job here. Even the Paki comedian guy was good here.
I know lol! At the end of the movie, too. I was in disbelief at that point. Somehow she is going toe to toe with the guy trained by Luke, even though she has never held a lightsaber before. She should have been no better off than Finn, but of course, woman.
That's what I said. That character was well played, and I thought he added value to the story. Like for example, I am curious as to his motivations for wanting to help the Jedi. Clearly he idealizes them somewhat even though what they believe is totally at odds with his life as a criminal. That's a great setup for a character. The only reason I care at all about that is because I found his performance convincing.
What's worse is that Reva actually has a great backstory, being one of the Jedi Padawans that survived Anakin's temple massacre. I liked the little quips from her about Owen "protecting his family" (the way the Jedi and Obi-Wan failed to do for her), and so on, it's just that her delivery was crap. All I get from her is "angry black woman" vibes. What the hell was that parkour stuff on the rooftops about? She was only several rooftops away and did all that running and jumping for nothing because she never got there despite Kenobi having the time to kill the lizard and rescue Leia.
They are clearly setting her up for a redemption arc, which would be fine and good except now we are forced to sit through a terrible acting performance for longer because she is evidently the main focus of this story.
No true Star Wars fan would refuse to consoom product and get excited for next product, bigot!
I recall him being a fucking idiot about the alleged Birds of Prey movie too.
That and he cheated on his wife.
Dude was lighting his farts on camera well into his 40s, he's definitely not the smartest. He's just an unusually charming idiot, not unusual for celebrities.
Sounds like he had the very high ground.
They erased the expanded universe for this?
No, no. Remember, "tHeRe WaS nO SouRcE maTerIAL!", so ofc their groundbreaking and entirely novel story
that wasn't ANH redonemight have a rocky start because people hate new things, just like how they've finally cast a black person in Star Wars because Lando Calrissian, Mace Windu, Moff Gideon, Jolee Bindo, Ashoka [kind of, she's orange, but they cast Rosario Dawson to play her because 'orange is the new black' again], Finn [despite being both a shit and squandered character with a shit actor], any many others were never a thing, bigot!Ha! I stand corrected
Disney's days of creativity are long over.
Ewan's a scumbag who cheated on his wife, the mother of his children. He can fuck off with his moral criticisms of the Star Wars fanbase.
Same hollywoke energy as Alec Baldwin talking about "shooting" in the last week.
I will say it again, Lando and Mace Windu were quite popular with fans. James Earl Jones voiced one of the most iconic characters ever!
It is funny to think that they’re acting like Star Wars didn’t have black people when Star Wars has had some of the most iconic and well written black characters and Darth Vader was voiced by a black man and is a character that’s as black as a crayon.
But this is the trend ever since the obsession with diversity/representation started. Act like nobody but white males where in movies/tv shows until 2016.
They do that with everything too, trying to act like some chick in a political position is the first black person to do X or Y, then you look back and she wasn’t at all the first black.
I don’t know how this chick was directed but her performance wasn’t good. She looks like someone won a contest to appear as an extra and it went too far. I don’t like the Leia chick, either, but I don’t think she’s necessarily a bad actress. I just don’t like what they did with the character and they made her insufferable. With the black chick, she’s just bad. The idea of the character is fine. Some Sith lady that’s seemingly super evil that obviously will change sides. Or just be evil. Then this black chick fucked it all up.
Well, technically he's all pasty under the mask.
That’s Anakin though. The Darth Vader character everyone knows and is 99% of his screen time and appearances is Jame’s voice.
For sure, he's James' voice and the other guy's body. I don't know if that makes him "black." Like, I doubt the SJWs think he is.
If a white man voiced a black man in a CurrentYear cartoon, there would be an outcry that his whiteness is infecting and taking over the black man's body, consuming it entirely and making him effectively white. That logic can therefore be applied here as well, but with black man voicing white man. Jones' work overrides and consumes the portrayal.
But neither of them fucked a white woman and they don't know who that last one is.
You were the chosen one! You were supposed to save Star Wars, not ruin it more! To bring fans what they wanted, not simp for a negress!
Seeing as he's famous for trainspotting, I doubt he could mark himself as a good scot.
Considering the average scot is a drug using woke cunt...
What is with the Scottish and their desperation to be dyslexic-ginger carpets.
They want to be black. They're wiggers.
Apparently some upset Scotch tape here.
nobody had a problem with lando or mace windu
TFA was the last Star Wars thing I've had anything to do with. Finn absolutely had the most potential for amazing characterization. ABSOLUTELY WASTED.
Problem is Finn also suffers from an insufferable woke actor. Boyega not only played the race card multiple times throughout the Disney Trilogy, including shouting down someone who tried to make a comparable statement, but he also proved he has zero fucking clue about other projects when he's working on them. His role in Pacific Rim 2 also included helping with the writing and yet he specifically called for the PR2 main Jaeger to have swords on both arms because [paraphrasing] "in a sequel you should have more". Gypsy Danger already had swords in both arms. You see it deploy both in the last fight because one of them gets immediately torn off with most of the arm by one of the Kaiju. The same Kaiju that is then bifurcated by the other sword arm moments later.
Guy had zero awareness.
Boyyyyy....ega
I'm still mad at the way the fat asian creature not only cucked him out of an actual, genuine heroic sacrifice, but how the usual metoo clapped as she stole him a kiss (a grave systemic double-rape crime on a minority in current year +10) as the giant fuck-you-laser blew up the last remnants of the resistance in the background.
Finns story should (the initial part) have been a comic book or novel arc. It wasn't appropriate for the big main story. But really the entire premise of the TFA was retarded and was just an excuse to do a fanservice cashin.
Yeah, the pro-human stance of the Empire was definitely a thing, such that seeing any non-human having anything official to do with the Empire was a sign of superior merit (See: Thrawn).
You know, it is kinda funny how much they've tried to "diversify" the Empire at this point. Yeah, they're the bad guys, but were still bad guys we could enjoy to watch in the past. And the moment they "diversified" the bad guys, you couldn't even do that anymore.
Ironically, it seems like they made the Resistance markedly less diverse than it was in the past. There are significantly less non-human characters than there were in the original and prequel trilogies. In fact, the most prominent alien character in the OT, Chewbacca, was religated to the role of family dog/Uber driver.
If the Empire are space Nazis, what does that make the Diversity Alliance? Space Nation of Islam?
A lot of confusion came from the prequels showing us that the first stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett. Many casual fans didn't know that the clones were fazed out over time as the Empire became established.
Technically he was still on the poster, you just needed a magnifying glass to find him after they literally marginalized him.