Clearly, they were not intending to avoid war, because then they would have just agreed to have Ukraine not be in NATO.
What is most scary of all is the control that these scumbags have over the financial system, as well as people's minds. People who understand nothing of the situation are foaming at the mouth about it.
I'm far from a Putin fan but I can't see what "war crimes" he's committed that aren't surpassed by the likes of George Bush (either of them), Tony Blair and many others. The same idiots foaming at the mouth at Putin were all sucking Xi's dick after he destroyed what was left of democracy in Hong Kong.
Putin seems to be taking great care to minimize civilian casualties at the expense of a swift offensive. Zelensky is handing out guns to military aged males that have been prevented from leaving and intentionally placing military equipment next to civilian infrastructure such as schools. I'm not taking sides here and both of them are playing the game with the resources they have available, but from the outside Russia comes off as the more humane.
Watching that Australian poster go foaming at the mouth randomly over this Ukraine shitshow has been a nightmarish experience.
I feel bad for the guy. Clearly, he's a good person who is upset due to being manipulated by a barrage of propaganda and images. He probably really views this as Germany invading Poland in 1939.
It is absolutely terrifying how easily the media can manipulate us all. If they covered this like they covered American wars of aggression, these people would be cheering for Russia.
MSM has convinced too many people that Putin is the Great Satan when in reality he is just another dime a dozen authoritarian.
He's a competent authoritarian who plays his bad hand well, at least so far. And he resists the US world order. That's why they hate him.
Again, a critical frame of reference is needed to answer that question: never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by intent.
With the scale of economic bad news and catastrophic policy outcomes overwhelming the White House, a geopolitical crisis to distract the world’s attention does have major benefits. However, this specific motive is also deeper than that….
This crisis actually helps advance the goals and objectives of domestic policy in multiple ways.
The people around Biden want soaring energy costs, they want huge increases in gasoline costs as part of their Green New Deal agenda. These are ideological travelers, the most intense elements within the Obama crowd, and Biden has been installed as a disposable figurehead allowing them to operate a policy agenda without any concern for political damage.
Paving the path to ‘the great reset’, also known as ‘Build Back Better’ is much easier when the fundamental change crowd can just plow full speed ahead.
These are the most entrenched ideologues who consider federal deficit spending as a means to an end, where the U.S. is fundamentally changed and forever diminished because we are broke.
Through this prism of consequence, all of the negative domestic outcomes from Russia entering Ukraine and our responses therein, are not viewed as bad outcomes. These consequences are domestic and economic pains to be embraced, not avoided. After all, the people delivering these outcomes will never, themselves, feel any of it.
There's always been something else to the story. Whether or not it's exactly this, I think it's close to the truth. The anti-Russia argument is same old hypocrisy we are used to. They call Putin the tyrannical madman, when in reality their government is a corrupt oligarchy dominated by megacorps friendly with Putin, sound familiar? Russia should never expand their sphere of influence, but NATO can expand all they want I guess because we like them.
I'm not saying invasion ever should have been the answer, but you also have to think of it from the perspective that the whole world hates you because of what you were 30+ years ago and your only real large ally is the true evil sneaky manipulator. The West seriously dropped the ball in the Yeltsin days when they didn't take the opportunity to build the Russian Federation into a powerful ally and instead punished them for being the loser. Sounds about like Weimar Germany.
This is perhaps the problem, but they just didn't want to. It's been decades since Ukraine first asked, long before the conflict began and since this moment couldn't join because such as the written rules.
The West seriously dropped the ball in the Yeltsin days when they didn't take the opportunity to build the Russian Federation into a powerful ally
What sort of coddling and enabling of "our Russian partners" wasn't done by the countries such as Germany in particular but also for example America or Britain during the 1990s?
You'd think there was a crisis during the rule of Schroeder at the end of the 1990s, but then he went to become paid Russian lobbyist to this day.
They didn't expand to Ukraine. NATO has added the Baltics, Romania, Bulgaria, and many of the Balkan states in the 2000s.
Things I've read seem to indicate more of the coddling was geared towards the former SSRs, and specifically not the Russian one itself. Still, I was a kid/teenager in the 90s and really didn't get interested in cold war history until the early 2000s. So, this is all based on reading mostly. I actually think we've done a shit job with Ukraine as well, just building up the corruption even more so it can be used as a political plaything to the benefit of western politicians. Russia will just do the same thing to it's own benefit.
Because none of them were in an armed conflict, see. Also have pulled out the necessary reforms first and went through all the milestones needed.
Back in 1990 even the Soviet Union wanted to join. The late Gorbachev era was a weird time, in Poland we've been unironically singing a pop song about how cool he was (for an old Soviet).
Putin is a prick who doesn't care about his own people,
No political leader cares about his own people.
just restoring "the glory of USSR",
Imagine a political leader wanting to make his country great. We certainly don't have such people in the Weest. Still, I will not give him that much credit. I think it's security interests.
Putin has absolutely nothing to offer to the Ukrainians in terms of wealth or economic opportunities.
Slow tap... Mr. Senile doesn't care about "Ukrainians".
Yeah, go tell the Russians that it's shitty everywhere? who are you kidding?
What? How does this refute the fact that political leaders never care about their people? They are politicians, dude.
Bringing back the soviet union isn't going to make Russia "great again".
Not if you introduce the economic system. If you reconquer the lost lands, that certainly will.
But the EU does. Countries like Poland say thank you for billion of subsidies and all the opportunities for young people. Russia can offer none of that to Ukrainians.
Yeah, while rotting the cultures of these countries. It's not worth it.
You’ve lost it, Tony. You and all the other psycho Kremlin cheerleaders on this dying sub.
Imagine entering a conversation where I affirmed that "Putin does not care about his people" and then... calling me a cheerleader for the Kremlin.
But it seems a lot of people's brains have been eaten by this Ukraine thing.
Enjoy your hyper-political propaganda shithole.
I thought politics should be banned entirely. The users did not want to go for that.
Best we just regurgitate shit that even RT wouldn’t have the gall to publish!
Like what?
You've been doomposting about stuff regarding the coronavirus for months. But now you accept the claims of these same people without question when it is another subject? Particularly when these are 'norms' that they violate on the regular themselves.
A little bit of critical thinking might help, but given the vitriol that you posted, I very much doubt that you will show any introspection.
It would be like Putin bombing fucking Spain and you claiming that Spain is vital for Russia's interests...
I was not aware of the large Russian-Spanish border. Anyway, have you ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?
You may not like the way great powers act. That's why it's called "the tragedy of great power politics". But it's the way the world works.
Ukrainians want nothing to do with the Kremlin and its tyranny.
Most likely, yes. It's unfortunate that they were duped by the Americans into provoking Russia, when a simple promise of no NATO membership would have sufficed to forestall this.
His current outburst tracks perfectly with his past history to me. He's probably legitimately mentally ill which is why his parents are so controlling. He should avoid the board and all news for the sake of his own mental health. He appears unable to compartmentalize things he sees on TV or the Internet so they won't affect him.
Countries like Poland say thank you for billion of subsidies
That's a terrible thing though. This kind of "charity" from greater to lesser powers just a modern form of empire building and creating vassal states. The US does it too. Make it illegal and we'll find out how much support these superstates really have.
Oh, you may have confused me with the other guy you were replying to but you got me all wrong. I don't support Putin. My comment wasn't even about Ukraine. I just went off on a tangent because that kind of perverse collective leverage over smaller states is a pet peeve of mine (I'm an anti-statist.)
What you said about the EU is a scam. It's purpose was to be a new Roman Empire. Ultimately as a supranational trading block it will play a role in a neo-feudalistic world order as imagined in 1984. But that's besides the point - if they wanted to "uplift" people they could just donate money with no-strings attached. Any country or individual could freely give money to any other country or individual. But there's always a catch. Even with USAID. It's not about uplifting, it's about cultural influence. It's Globohomo. Poland has to give up their sovereignty or lose money. The superstates (Russia/China included) shouldn't have been allowed that kind of power but that's where we are and it was probably unavoidable. Hopefully at some point nationalists will realize sacrifices have to be made or we will forever be serfs working for unaccountable trading zones.
What exactly did you think fighting the globohomo cabal would look like? Did you think the men to do it would be hailed as heroes by the same media that lied to you nonstop for years? Or by the same government that locked you down and took away your rights?
Get this through your thick skull: Ukraine was a vassal state of the American empire. The current government was established by a violent color revolution - sponsored by America - in 2014. Hundreds were killed. Sound familiar?
None of this is good. Ukraine’s people largely want no part of this. But their blood is on America’s hands. I fucking live here, and I love what this country is supposed to be, but we are not the fucking good guys anymore. We haven’t been the good guys for half a century or more. We have “regime changed” more nations than anyone in history. All of those were bloody revolutions, artificially set in motion and sponsored by my government.
Ukraine would have first to exit an armed conflict to join NATO (and for which they would have to agree to separate with Crimea and Donbas, and any such government would instantly fall and there would be riots/revolution/war again).
Clearly, they were not intending to avoid war, because then they would have just agreed to have Ukraine not be in NATO.
What is most scary of all is the control that these scumbags have over the financial system, as well as people's minds. People who understand nothing of the situation are foaming at the mouth about it.
People who understand nothing of the situation are foaming at the mouth about it.
Watching that Australian poster go foaming at the mouth randomly over this Ukraine shitshow has been a nightmarish experience.
MSM has convinced too many people that Putin is the Great Satan when in reality he is just another dime a dozen authoritarian.
I'm far from a Putin fan but I can't see what "war crimes" he's committed that aren't surpassed by the likes of George Bush (either of them), Tony Blair and many others. The same idiots foaming at the mouth at Putin were all sucking Xi's dick after he destroyed what was left of democracy in Hong Kong.
Putin seems to be taking great care to minimize civilian casualties at the expense of a swift offensive. Zelensky is handing out guns to military aged males that have been prevented from leaving and intentionally placing military equipment next to civilian infrastructure such as schools. I'm not taking sides here and both of them are playing the game with the resources they have available, but from the outside Russia comes off as the more humane.
I feel bad for the guy. Clearly, he's a good person who is upset due to being manipulated by a barrage of propaganda and images. He probably really views this as Germany invading Poland in 1939.
It is absolutely terrifying how easily the media can manipulate us all. If they covered this like they covered American wars of aggression, these people would be cheering for Russia.
He's a competent authoritarian who plays his bad hand well, at least so far. And he resists the US world order. That's why they hate him.
A country in an armed conflict can't join NATO. They were only in a ceasefire.
Same for Georgia.
For anyone else like me asking "why":
There's always been something else to the story. Whether or not it's exactly this, I think it's close to the truth. The anti-Russia argument is same old hypocrisy we are used to. They call Putin the tyrannical madman, when in reality their government is a corrupt oligarchy dominated by megacorps friendly with Putin, sound familiar? Russia should never expand their sphere of influence, but NATO can expand all they want I guess because we like them.
I'm not saying invasion ever should have been the answer, but you also have to think of it from the perspective that the whole world hates you because of what you were 30+ years ago and your only real large ally is the true evil sneaky manipulator. The West seriously dropped the ball in the Yeltsin days when they didn't take the opportunity to build the Russian Federation into a powerful ally and instead punished them for being the loser. Sounds about like Weimar Germany.
They didn't want.
This is perhaps the problem, but they just didn't want to. It's been decades since Ukraine first asked, long before the conflict began and since this moment couldn't join because such as the written rules.
What sort of coddling and enabling of "our Russian partners" wasn't done by the countries such as Germany in particular but also for example America or Britain during the 1990s?
You'd think there was a crisis during the rule of Schroeder at the end of the 1990s, but then he went to become paid Russian lobbyist to this day.
They didn't expand to Ukraine. NATO has added the Baltics, Romania, Bulgaria, and many of the Balkan states in the 2000s.
Things I've read seem to indicate more of the coddling was geared towards the former SSRs, and specifically not the Russian one itself. Still, I was a kid/teenager in the 90s and really didn't get interested in cold war history until the early 2000s. So, this is all based on reading mostly. I actually think we've done a shit job with Ukraine as well, just building up the corruption even more so it can be used as a political plaything to the benefit of western politicians. Russia will just do the same thing to it's own benefit.
Because none of them were in an armed conflict, see. Also have pulled out the necessary reforms first and went through all the milestones needed.
Back in 1990 even the Soviet Union wanted to join. The late Gorbachev era was a weird time, in Poland we've been unironically singing a pop song about how cool he was (for an old Soviet).
Also I see a highly relevant surname lol
It is clear that you didn't even bother reading the article.
No political leader cares about his own people.
Imagine a political leader wanting to make his country great. We certainly don't have such people in the Weest. Still, I will not give him that much credit. I think it's security interests.
Slow tap... Mr. Senile doesn't care about "Ukrainians".
I know politicians who care for their people. Out of top of my mind, a Polish Jewish politician who committed suicide in the safety of London, where he as as part of the government in exile, in protest in 1943. Left this letter: https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/zygielbojm-letter-to-polish-national-council-in-exile.html
His pseudonym was Artur, having named himself about a maybe-historical famous hero leader out of legend.
What? How does this refute the fact that political leaders never care about their people? They are politicians, dude.
Not if you introduce the economic system. If you reconquer the lost lands, that certainly will.
Yeah, while rotting the cultures of these countries. It's not worth it.
You’ve lost it, Tony. You and all the other psycho Kremlin cheerleaders on this dying sub.
Enjoy your hyper-political propaganda shithole.
So much for Gamergate, ‘ey boys??
Best we just regurgitate shit that even RT wouldn’t have the gall to publish!
Fucking bravo. slow clap
Imagine entering a conversation where I affirmed that "Putin does not care about his people" and then... calling me a cheerleader for the Kremlin.
But it seems a lot of people's brains have been eaten by this Ukraine thing.
I thought politics should be banned entirely. The users did not want to go for that.
Like what?
You've been doomposting about stuff regarding the coronavirus for months. But now you accept the claims of these same people without question when it is another subject? Particularly when these are 'norms' that they violate on the regular themselves.
A little bit of critical thinking might help, but given the vitriol that you posted, I very much doubt that you will show any introspection.
I was not aware of the large Russian-Spanish border. Anyway, have you ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?
You may not like the way great powers act. That's why it's called "the tragedy of great power politics". But it's the way the world works.
Most likely, yes. It's unfortunate that they were duped by the Americans into provoking Russia, when a simple promise of no NATO membership would have sufficed to forestall this.
You’ve gone so crazy over this that I’m convinced you were always a shill. Your “personal” stories always rang completely hollow, and now I know why.
His current outburst tracks perfectly with his past history to me. He's probably legitimately mentally ill which is why his parents are so controlling. He should avoid the board and all news for the sake of his own mental health. He appears unable to compartmentalize things he sees on TV or the Internet so they won't affect him.
That's a terrible thing though. This kind of "charity" from greater to lesser powers just a modern form of empire building and creating vassal states. The US does it too. Make it illegal and we'll find out how much support these superstates really have.
Oh, you may have confused me with the other guy you were replying to but you got me all wrong. I don't support Putin. My comment wasn't even about Ukraine. I just went off on a tangent because that kind of perverse collective leverage over smaller states is a pet peeve of mine (I'm an anti-statist.)
What you said about the EU is a scam. It's purpose was to be a new Roman Empire. Ultimately as a supranational trading block it will play a role in a neo-feudalistic world order as imagined in 1984. But that's besides the point - if they wanted to "uplift" people they could just donate money with no-strings attached. Any country or individual could freely give money to any other country or individual. But there's always a catch. Even with USAID. It's not about uplifting, it's about cultural influence. It's Globohomo. Poland has to give up their sovereignty or lose money. The superstates (Russia/China included) shouldn't have been allowed that kind of power but that's where we are and it was probably unavoidable. Hopefully at some point nationalists will realize sacrifices have to be made or we will forever be serfs working for unaccountable trading zones.
Yeah, you’re right on this occasion…
And for once, I agree with you.
Unfortunately this whole site has gone absolutely fucking insane, to the point where even Tucker and Trump have backpedaled from this shit.
It’s astounding. It’s like most posters here have completely lost trust with reality or something.
Not sure if it’s a lost cause, but it is absolutely fucking disgraceful, if nothing else.
What exactly did you think fighting the globohomo cabal would look like? Did you think the men to do it would be hailed as heroes by the same media that lied to you nonstop for years? Or by the same government that locked you down and took away your rights?
Get this through your thick skull: Ukraine was a vassal state of the American empire. The current government was established by a violent color revolution - sponsored by America - in 2014. Hundreds were killed. Sound familiar?
None of this is good. Ukraine’s people largely want no part of this. But their blood is on America’s hands. I fucking live here, and I love what this country is supposed to be, but we are not the fucking good guys anymore. We haven’t been the good guys for half a century or more. We have “regime changed” more nations than anyone in history. All of those were bloody revolutions, artificially set in motion and sponsored by my government.
Once again makes me want to find out whom is finding this place really. I may very well file a lawsuit to unmask someone here and find out…
Ukraine would have first to exit an armed conflict to join NATO (and for which they would have to agree to separate with Crimea and Donbas, and any such government would instantly fall and there would be riots/revolution/war again).
Is that what you're hoping for?
nice post you should repost onto other subs as well