*apologism.
I’ve never seen this “community behave like this… The same turboposters, the same “power commenters” dominate every thread. You’re posting literal Russian state propaganda, and claiming it is “unbiased” and “accurate”.
You’re literally defending war crimes.
What the fuck, u/DomitiusofMassilia?? I understand that you want to allow a “free speech” forum, but you’re losing control of this site…
I appreciate this will be absolutely flooded with downvotes, but I no longer care. Anyone who defends war crimes, invasions of sovereign states, and the killing of innocent civilians, as many of you have, in the last couple of days, is absolutely on the wrong side of history.
So much for Gamergate.
You absolute fucking psychos. You know who you are. You post so much more than 5 times a day, now, and you’ve ruined what value this place had.
Fuck you, Russian trolls.
The Ukraine-Russia conflict is a shitshow with the globalists on one side and their favorite enemy du jour, Putin on the other side.
Covid tyranny is still being pushed in western countries, why should the average western citizen worry about Ukraine when they have a much bigger issue of tyranny in their own nation to worry about?
After seeing Canada crush their own working class truckers, how can anyone believe the "western democracies tm" when they say only they stand for democracy unlike Putin.
Who is the good side in this shitshow?
America needs to stay the fuck out of this conflict.
The people of Ukraine will unnecessarily suffer but that always happens in any war.
Calling out globalists beating the war drums in an effort to distract normies from their own collapsing house of cards is not the same as Putin apologia.
I don't give a fuck about Putin or Ukraine: I live in a country that just embarked on a campaign of persecution against peaceful protesters that's so tyrannical it makes Putin look like Thomas Jefferson. More to the point, so do you.
Are you sure this Ukraine bullshit is the fight you want to prioritize?
Apparently putin already attacked protesters protesting against the war.
Ah yes, temporarily banning protests and enforcing Covid rules is exactly on the same level as killing your own citizens, and bombing civilians including children in neighbouring countries...
Gotcha.
Fuck off with this idiotic strawman bullshit. Putin is so much worse than any current Western leader it's not even funny, and it is absolutely delusional to think otherwise.
Our governments are all complicit in bombing civilians, including children, in countries all over the world, and we continue to let them get away with it because we're too comfortable to do anything other than bitch.
But, up to this point, at least we've been free to bitch. Very soon, we won't even have that.
We have too much of our own shit to deal with to let the same people who've been pissing on us for decades while telling us it was raining drag us into yet another war in order to paint over their own failings. Every last one of our so-called "democratic leaders" would govern like Putin if they thought they could get away with it, and they have literally all just proved it.
If NATO gets involved in this conflict, it will be World War 3. China will become involved, and our supply chains here in North America will be completely disrupted as a result. As for Australia, isolated as you are, the consequences would be even worse. On top of that, NATO involving itself will exponentially increase the likelihood of nuclear war.
There are absolutely no good reasons for why we should let ourselves get dragged into this, and an endless supply of reasons why we shouldn't.
China will very likely offer support and softening the impact of the sanctions. And may even use the chance of the chaos to invade Taiwan. Iran may also take a chance to do something. Will they? I don't know... But China, a frenemy of Russia will very likely do help them in some way.
As someone living in Australia, you have much bigger things to worry about than the globalists' current media blitz about Ukraine.
Sad to see you chugging the MSM's koolaid by the sixpack about Putin being an unique evil when leaders in every major western country have revealed themselves to be capable of the worst sociopathic tyranny towards their OWN citizens under the guise of COVID emergency powers.
Libya/Syria was decidedly worse than what is happening in Ukraine right now. Or are you about to tell me the destablizing the middle east, arming ISIS who burned people alive, bombing children, restoring slave markets, and bringing millions of foreigners into Europe was a good thing?
I don't give a fuck about some trifle in Eastern Europe that has no impact on my interests, aside from the stupid sanctions that only hurt western people while pushing Russia into the arms of China. May the best slav win.
Edit: Stop caring about the shiny thing the regime dangles in front of you.
Valid. You're right on these points. Not so much everyone else here though, lol...
People need to understand the effect of proximity on power.
The average every-man in Western countries already only has a very small modicum of personal power, their actual influence stops almost entirely at the boundary of their town/city, any impressions of the power to independently influence foreign nations are purely delusions. They can do precisely jack and shit to meaningfully reverse Russia's megalomania. In the realm of international affairs the military and the government hold all the cards, and they dictate to the people what will happen, not vice versa.
But everyone wants to be the architect and no-one wants to just haul the bricks to the wall. So sometimes to sugar coat things the military/government will pretend it's not a dictate and instead start "helping" the populace believe they independently came to the decision the govt already wanted to make by feeding them a constant stream of tailored information. Just like a sizable proportion of the populace believes they "independently" came to the conclusion that 2 years of border shut downs and vaccine mandates are reasonable after hearing constantly from the government that the covid vaccines are the safest, most effective vaccines ever and how covid is killing thousands and thousands (because of semantics like "died with covid" designed to create the maximum panic).
Russia is propagandizing hard, but they're far from the only one. Every western gov. is going just as hard with hysteria and half truths to get the population to "conclude" what they want. I'm not Russian, so I can't do a damn thing to stop their propagandizing (unfortunately, neither can most Russians anymore, since the ones who try too hard tend to get dragged into cars by men with guns or have unfortunate accidents). What I can do is make just a tiny bit of a problem for my own gov and make it very clear that any amount of war propoganda will make me fight them tooth and nail. There are no such things as little white lies when it comes to sending clueless young people off to die in agony and have their humanity shredded by the necessary horrors of war.
The idea that you can save the world if you try hard enough is admirable, but childishly naive. Utopia is not achievable within a generation from where we are. There were dictators when you were born and there will be new dictators when you die. The most you can do is spend what limited resources you have on throttling any wannabes in your neighborhood and make sure the place you live isn't ruled by one for your kids. Don't bloody squander those scraps of power, that the would-be dictators directly above you haven't quite managed to take, on anything but telling them to fuck off and give you the rest back too. Worry about what else to do after that job's done.
And the Hague.
Western leaders have violated every one of their promises of 'democracy' then proceeded to violate their own created Nuremburg Code with jackboots and needles.
They're indefensible.
Fuck off handshake. Hey, at least I'm not out here backing up a literal dictator crushing dissent in his own country while killing civilians in a neighbouring, sovereign state.
Fuck you, Kremlin apologist. It really is amazing to see useful idiots like you backing up a literal KGB agent...
How very far this place has fallen. Moron.
Which country is locking up their own citizens in covid camps??
You’re probably the most mentally unstable poster here, and that’s even when we include imp.
Sometimes I just want to pet him to assuage his anxieties.
I feel almost smug now, when people finally admit what I have said before. I voiced it in a much softer way, but basically this. I was getting more an more annoyed and disgusted by the fact that certain people were giving support to a mentally unwell person absolutely spiralling and encouraging his prolonged, public suicide note because he supported our political leanings.
I'm not mentally unstable though.
That's just stormfags projecting. They wouldn't be so emotionally dependent on you if you'd stop giving them so much attention.
I'm not supporting anyone in this hate-fuck fest. Neither side is worthy of our support or attention. Yes, it's a sad fucking thing, there is a lot of tragedy, but I don't care anymore. I am tired, there's enough shit in my life, and to keep from going after the scum I see everyday with a gun and fire, I cannot bring myself to give a shit if two corrupt nations consume one another.
But I will admit I am going to enjoy the next couple years as Putin/Russia cements the hold he has over the EU's female benis. If anyone deserved what is coming, it's the EU.
Absolutely typical American answer.
I'm sure the Poles and Hungarians here really love all this "support" from you guys.
Fucking pathetic. America does not have to send troops in order to oppose this absolute insanity, and I'm sick of that bullshit strawman being brought up, while people here suck of Putin's KGB dick.
So no, I'm not giving you that one. Only someone living in the comfort of your Amerimutt nightmare could possibly think that a renewed and extra repressive Eastern block, with Putin in charge, is actually preferable to the EU...
Fucking christ.
Did Russia invade Poland or Hungary? Last I checked they invaded Ukraine. The worst thing anyone can do is start a war with Russia so everyone should stay the fuck out of that mess.
Other then that what exactly do you expect people to do? Make lame ass posts about poor Ukrainians? That is a leftist thing.
I do feel bad for Ukraine but again, what exactly do you expect us to do? It sucks.
You sound like an emotional leftist, a very bad look for any adult human being.
Modern America over-interventionism directly contradicts your belief of decades old American pacifism.
Hungary can go fuck itself:
The Poles on the other hand are probably alright. They're among the least pozzed European countries.
Putin, unlike much of the EU, did not place WuFlu vax mandates and fine his citizens. So yeah, maybe Putin the Tyrant is better than the Western equivalent that regularly violate the Nuremberg Code.
What do you want us forum dwellers to do even if we agree with your stance? Push our government to send monetary and military aid? Don't worry, the government doesn't listen to its constituents and does whatever the fuck it wants. So rest assured, whatever "opposition" you want, they'll do it regardless of the will of the people...most of whom probably agree with you.
Nigga, stop talking in my name. I am a Hungarian. Do not try to push your manic bullshit by hiding behind my back.
We are not being helped by your online bitching. The Ukrainians are not helped by it either. So stop your virtue signalling hysterics.
Have you been to America? Do you understand how far things have slid here in the last thirty years?
We have bridges fucking collapsing.
You foreigners only see two Americas: the megacities and the picturesque rural.
You don't see fucking Kansas City or Detroit or Gary, Indiana.. You don't see miles upon miles of abandoned post-industrial brownfield of a country that's been bled dry since Nixon.
You know nothing of my amerimutt nightmare, little boy. I've enjoyed the privileges of the worst in society many times while you've traveled and experienced the world of regrets. Your heart bleeds so much, I'm surprised you can raise a hand to type from the anemia. Enjoy your police state. I'm done.
The "downvote brigade" are most likely not regular contributors. I wouldn't worry about downvotes. There's only a few people here I think are actual Russian propagandists. But then I don't see a problem with showing both sides of the conflict. I'd like to read more pro-Ukraine content too, if you want to post that. It's all kinda off topic to begin with but that never stopped anyone here before.
This is nothing but neolib newspeak. History is written by the victors.
At least this one doesn't involve sperging about his personal life.
If it advances the goal of chaos and destabilizing the global order, I really don't care.
I've long been an accelerationist hoping for conflict so that one day my ultranationalist ideals may yet be realized.
You do know that once this order collapses, it will likely look to people like me, not people like you?
I don't think you understand just how much I don't like feminism, bam.
I have said before that the only course is to run this plane that is western civilization into the ground nose first. Maybe you did not comprehend, maybe you did not believe that I meant it.
I did mean it. I fully comprehend the consequences of it and am prepared to deal with the implications.
Have you tried not being a faggot?
люди не согласны со мной, и это меня бесит
Didn't take much to get a reaction out of you huh? And you claim to live in Tasmania, thousands of KM away from the battlezone. Why would you care?
No I don't.
That said...first of all, why would you care about Ukraine? Your own country is suffering more, and you're not at war with anyone.
Second of all, how would you like a US biolab on your border so the next disease the enemy created flows right in.
Also, look how much shady money flowed into Ukraine from the European Central Bank. Look at how Ukraine is treating men, forcing them to fight an unwinnable war rather than negotiating peace. This whole op has Christine Lagarde and Ursula Von Der Leyen written all over it.
Part of the point of understanding free speech is to recognize propaganda when you see it, and confront it, or simply dismiss it.
I can't give you an objective site. No one really can, certainly not without being ultra-strict and effectively turning off conversation that isn't academic.
Instead, you'll have to recognize propaganda efforts as you see them. Point them out, and even make posts about it. Counter speech with speech and develop a strong sense of skepticism against even people who's judgements you would otherwise normally trust.
You must have not only emotional stoicism, but intellectual stoicism as well.
Agreed! If I wanted Pravda or RT i would go to those websites.
Go anywhere at all, please lol
Make me.