Way too many people don't understand there's a difference between a ban of something and not having it at a school. It's the same with all their faggotry books for kids they want to fill libraries with.
No one is saying they can't publish stupid opinions, just that they can't do it and then promote to kids at school.
the bespoke viewpoint on this topic is realizing that letting insane, anti-human satan shit like this exist at all is already risking it getting to your kids
homosexuality for example was under control for thousands of years because anyone who expressed it was shunned at best and killed at worst - it was effectively banned. count the years it took from unbanning it in society to naked fags with dildos strapped to them groping and kissing mixed-race kids in public parades.
Also Peterson is just reading the headlines and propaganda because conservatives aren't banning critical race theory, they're banning policies that "promote or endorse inherently divisive or racist concepts".
These things were already banned by law, now they're just double-banned because liberals ignored the law. Of course it's hard to blame Peterson too much when there are just about zero articles in any news source that fairly characterize VA's policy.
Yes, in the same fashion that nobody's about to ban, say, national socialism as an opinion, but - just like national socialism (an ideology it does resemble somewhat) - it's just not appropriate to teach in schools.
No one is saying they can't publish stupid opinions
You fight a losing battle when they can block your stupid opinions, but the other side can freely publish their own.
They want to pretend it's the 60's where the country was 90% white. It's only 60% white now and it's dropping. How do you think that's going to go for you with a generation of kids who were raised with racial propaganda far worse than what hitler put out about the jews?
It's one thing to let everyone publish stupid ideas, it's significantly different when one group can publish their stupid ideas and the other group cannot.
It took JBP and his wife nearly dying for him to shift from "I'm a Christian but God is a positive energy field" to acknowledging that God is a Person with a will.
Just like the jab, JBP will come around after it's too late. I love him and he's an important gateway, but he's not a leader.
Or you split into a group that doesn't let these people involve themselves.
Their tactic is to use your own sense of morality to beat you with, making having a sense of morality a liability. I think they know what they're doing and taking away your humanity is their goal and some part of their plan.
It doesn't matter where you run or how you isolate or gatekeep. They will NEVER leave you alone because destruction of anyone who isn't in their cult is their religious jihad, and their only purpose for living.
Their sincere delusional belief is that once all of their enemies are exposed and subsequently destroyed then the world will spontaneously transform into a utopia free from "oppression" and suffering.
By standing in their way you are evil because you are intentionally delaying the realization of this utopia. Any action taken against you is justified because you have shown that you WANT to continue people's suffering.
Either they do maintain power in which case you're fucked and there's no reason to turn into a psycho because you're fucked anyways.
Or, they lose power because of their fanaticism and the vast majority of people who are simply sheep following along suddenly forget how strongly they were for it before. I've been shocked in the past how so many people can so strongly believe in something today and a year or two later barely even remember it.
These fanatical people need a devil to justify their existence, and they're trying to turn you into one so they can point at you and go "see we were right all along".
The only way I've found to handle it is to do in group / out group. If they're fanatics, they're in the out group that I think their thoughts or opinion are worth anything.
It's a shit situation I'm just trying to figure out how to stay off the bottom of the pile of shit.
Once someone has proven he is willing to cause you harm you can't just defend against his attempts. He won't stop until enough force is applied that he is unable to attack again, or a enough of a credible threat of force is created that he is unwilling to try again.
Defending yourself against legitimate threat isn't "going psycho".
I don't really want to argue against you as much of what you're saying is what I think, except for the part where you think you can go psycho and defeat them.
You said:
Survive first, regain our humanity afterwards.
I've just reached the point that there is evil in the world, fight it where I can but don't be consumed by it's existence.
He's not trying to win a war. If anything he wants to prevent one and fears a right-wing backlash more than a left-wing victory. I believe he has said as much, but he says a lot of things in a lot of places so I wouldn't be able to provide a citation.
He used to be fond of saying "If you can't understand why someone is doing something, look at the consequences of their actions, whatever they might be, and then infer the motivations from their consequences." The consequences of his actions quite clearly are "the right never fights back against the left", so based on that one doesn't have to think very hard about what his motivations might be.
It really is a classical liberal boomer take. In an overall culture of free speech I'd tend to agree with JBP. The answer to bad speech is better speech. But that's only at higher education levels. In grade school you learn what we tell you to learn.
The problem with that idea is that we don't have a culture of free speech anymore. There's no prominent "anti-CRT" theory being pushed in universities or pedagogical training that teachers can lean on. Yes there are books criticizing it, and any of us could write essays to explain why CRT is bullshit and a negative for society, but the educational system left to its own devices is entirely hostile to such ideas. We can't just teach the alternative and let the best idea win. Even if there were prominent anti-CRT philosophers allowed to speak at government-endowed universities, and we had waves of educators attending their seminars to figure out the best way to teach colorblind American civic nationalism to the students, the government-protected teachers union wouldn't allow it. You can't say "may the best man win" when "the system" isn't playing fair. (the irony of saying this about CRT isn't lost on me)
There are a lot of policy tactics we need to take here besides "banning" CRT, but it needs to be an option for school districts. Sometimes all you can do is treat symptoms until you figure out where the core root of corruption is and how to remove it.
I say we do need to ban certain things from public school. These are government paid-for policies. By definition, everyone should be able to basically agree on it.
But the solution, in the end, is to just ban public school.
One thing that we do need to work on is building anti-parallel universities. Once we have ground to actually compete with the Left on, then we can talk about how we're not going to lose the culture war.
When Christian Universities are teaching BLM, I'm not interested in NOT denying government funds to Racial Socialism.
I like Michael Malice's proposal of eliminating university endowments and using that money to pay for reparations. Not that I think we need reparations but it would be a good way of dividing the Left.
Someone is going to control the curriculum. Yeah, you ban CRT in school they'll yell about "muh censorship" but if you don't they'll be throwing Kipling on the bonfire and replacing him with How to be Antiracist.
I say we do need to ban certain things from public school. These are government paid-for policies. By definition, everyone should be able to basically agree on it.
But the solution, in the end, is to just ban public school.
Ideally, school should teach no values and no ideology. Someone will always be mad that everyone else's children are not being indoctrinated into their own particular flavor.
Either that, or let communities operate their own schools. As long as there is federal money though, there will be federal top-down control.
if we have to have primary school it should teach the correct values
don't complain, work hard, respect your elders, honor the sacrifices of your ancestors, be grateful for everything you have, control your urges
But really we shouldn't have school at all. We should have extended families and communities that know each other to work together in raising and educating children until the child is a teenager and ready to handle making some life decisions.
The mother's job, with the assistance of aunts and grandmothers, is to handle the infant and toddlers until they are potty trained. After that the boys should go to work with their father, if the father works near home, and the girls should be helping their mother with the household, the other infants, or relatives with their households. Reading, writing, math can all be taught after the workday and by tutors.
If you look at the current elementary and high school curricula you can see there isn't any reason it takes 12! years to teach it. The vast majority of time in public school is just a waste.
The adoption of teaching materials by US public schools is not a first amendment issue, not a speech issue at all. That the left is now trying to frame the rejection of Critical Racism Theory as suppression of free speech is one of the most offensive, bitterest hypocrisies reasonable people have ever endured.
Parents have every right to reject what their spawn are subjected to in US public school prisons, and have since their inception. The PTA was created to give parents MORE input into public school teaching; at least in theory, parents are PARTNERS with schools in the education of their children. Up to recently parental involvement has usually been about book assignments or library holdings or sex ed content, with conservative parents doing the agitation and being ridiculed by liberals for being narrow-minded and prudish or, of course, "racist" and pervert-phobic.
Critical social justice has crept into the teaching of EVERYTHING, so much so that it will be impossible to reform US public schools. The only solution is for concerned parents to remove their children from PS clutches and send them to Catholic schools or other conservative private schools that reject the simpering commie indoctrination of Paolo Friere and the whole raft of neo-Marxist, racist, critical social justice mind poison.
Way too many people don't understand there's a difference between a ban of something and not having it at a school. It's the same with all their faggotry books for kids they want to fill libraries with.
No one is saying they can't publish stupid opinions, just that they can't do it and then promote to kids at school.
the bespoke viewpoint on this topic is realizing that letting insane, anti-human satan shit like this exist at all is already risking it getting to your kids
homosexuality for example was under control for thousands of years because anyone who expressed it was shunned at best and killed at worst - it was effectively banned. count the years it took from unbanning it in society to naked fags with dildos strapped to them groping and kissing mixed-race kids in public parades.
Also Peterson is just reading the headlines and propaganda because conservatives aren't banning critical race theory, they're banning policies that "promote or endorse inherently divisive or racist concepts".
Divisive concepts in Virginia are one race, skin color, ethnicity, sex, or faith is inherently superior to another race, skin color, ethnicity, sex, or faith; (ii) an individual, by virtue of his or her race, skin color, ethnicity, sex or faith, is racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or subconsciously ..."
These things were already banned by law, now they're just double-banned because liberals ignored the law. Of course it's hard to blame Peterson too much when there are just about zero articles in any news source that fairly characterize VA's policy.
When people talk about "banning" CRT, they mean not allowing it to be taught in school. Bad take by Peterson
Absolutely. Peterson is a nuanced thinker and speaker but he's in the dark here. Using the over-simplified term "ban" doesn't help, either.
Yes, in the same fashion that nobody's about to ban, say, national socialism as an opinion, but - just like national socialism (an ideology it does resemble somewhat) - it's just not appropriate to teach in schools.
You fight a losing battle when they can block your stupid opinions, but the other side can freely publish their own.
They want to pretend it's the 60's where the country was 90% white. It's only 60% white now and it's dropping. How do you think that's going to go for you with a generation of kids who were raised with racial propaganda far worse than what hitler put out about the jews?
It's one thing to let everyone publish stupid ideas, it's significantly different when one group can publish their stupid ideas and the other group cannot.
He really is the smartest retard in the room. You dont give this enemy an inch.
They weaponized politeness, civility, charity, and the benefit of the doubt.
This is the war they wanted so we need to give it to them mecilessly until they unconditionally surrender.
Survive first, regain our humanity afterwards.
It took JBP and his wife nearly dying for him to shift from "I'm a Christian but God is a positive energy field" to acknowledging that God is a Person with a will.
Just like the jab, JBP will come around after it's too late. I love him and he's an important gateway, but he's not a leader.
His Bible lectures on Genesis is really good.
The analysis of Cain and Abel taught me this marxist bullshit is as old as humanity.
His link between consciousness and nakedness is also illuminating.
Or you split into a group that doesn't let these people involve themselves.
Their tactic is to use your own sense of morality to beat you with, making having a sense of morality a liability. I think they know what they're doing and taking away your humanity is their goal and some part of their plan.
It doesn't matter where you run or how you isolate or gatekeep. They will NEVER leave you alone because destruction of anyone who isn't in their cult is their religious jihad, and their only purpose for living.
Their sincere delusional belief is that once all of their enemies are exposed and subsequently destroyed then the world will spontaneously transform into a utopia free from "oppression" and suffering.
By standing in their way you are evil because you are intentionally delaying the realization of this utopia. Any action taken against you is justified because you have shown that you WANT to continue people's suffering.
It only goes 2 ways.
Either they do maintain power in which case you're fucked and there's no reason to turn into a psycho because you're fucked anyways.
Or, they lose power because of their fanaticism and the vast majority of people who are simply sheep following along suddenly forget how strongly they were for it before. I've been shocked in the past how so many people can so strongly believe in something today and a year or two later barely even remember it.
These fanatical people need a devil to justify their existence, and they're trying to turn you into one so they can point at you and go "see we were right all along".
The only way I've found to handle it is to do in group / out group. If they're fanatics, they're in the out group that I think their thoughts or opinion are worth anything.
It's a shit situation I'm just trying to figure out how to stay off the bottom of the pile of shit.
Once someone has proven he is willing to cause you harm you can't just defend against his attempts. He won't stop until enough force is applied that he is unable to attack again, or a enough of a credible threat of force is created that he is unwilling to try again.
Defending yourself against legitimate threat isn't "going psycho".
I don't really want to argue against you as much of what you're saying is what I think, except for the part where you think you can go psycho and defeat them.
You said:
I've just reached the point that there is evil in the world, fight it where I can but don't be consumed by it's existence.
Jordan Peterson is a nice guy with the right heart but he has no clue what is required to win a war.
He's not trying to win a war. If anything he wants to prevent one and fears a right-wing backlash more than a left-wing victory. I believe he has said as much, but he says a lot of things in a lot of places so I wouldn't be able to provide a citation.
He used to be fond of saying "If you can't understand why someone is doing something, look at the consequences of their actions, whatever they might be, and then infer the motivations from their consequences." The consequences of his actions quite clearly are "the right never fights back against the left", so based on that one doesn't have to think very hard about what his motivations might be.
It really is a classical liberal boomer take. In an overall culture of free speech I'd tend to agree with JBP. The answer to bad speech is better speech. But that's only at higher education levels. In grade school you learn what we tell you to learn.
The problem with that idea is that we don't have a culture of free speech anymore. There's no prominent "anti-CRT" theory being pushed in universities or pedagogical training that teachers can lean on. Yes there are books criticizing it, and any of us could write essays to explain why CRT is bullshit and a negative for society, but the educational system left to its own devices is entirely hostile to such ideas. We can't just teach the alternative and let the best idea win. Even if there were prominent anti-CRT philosophers allowed to speak at government-endowed universities, and we had waves of educators attending their seminars to figure out the best way to teach colorblind American civic nationalism to the students, the government-protected teachers union wouldn't allow it. You can't say "may the best man win" when "the system" isn't playing fair. (the irony of saying this about CRT isn't lost on me)
There are a lot of policy tactics we need to take here besides "banning" CRT, but it needs to be an option for school districts. Sometimes all you can do is treat symptoms until you figure out where the core root of corruption is and how to remove it.
Heh that's a much better way of phrasing it. I need to work on my succinctness.
If you can ban teacher-led prayer and the teaching of "intelligent design" in public schools you can ban anti-white rhetoric.
"But they're not the same thing". Perhaps not, but now we're just haggling over where the boundaries around "banned topics" ought to be drawn.
I say we do need to ban certain things from public school. These are government paid-for policies. By definition, everyone should be able to basically agree on it.
But the solution, in the end, is to just ban public school.
One thing that we do need to work on is building anti-parallel universities. Once we have ground to actually compete with the Left on, then we can talk about how we're not going to lose the culture war.
When Christian Universities are teaching BLM, I'm not interested in NOT denying government funds to Racial Socialism.
I like Michael Malice's proposal of eliminating university endowments and using that money to pay for reparations. Not that I think we need reparations but it would be a good way of dividing the Left.
Someone is going to control the curriculum. Yeah, you ban CRT in school they'll yell about "muh censorship" but if you don't they'll be throwing Kipling on the bonfire and replacing him with How to be Antiracist.
I say we do need to ban certain things from public school. These are government paid-for policies. By definition, everyone should be able to basically agree on it.
But the solution, in the end, is to just ban public school.
Teaching anyone that "wypipo evil" does not belong ANYWHERE. Not changing my mind.
Further proof that Peterson is a fraud.
Go wash your penis, Peterstein
Ideally, school should teach no values and no ideology. Someone will always be mad that everyone else's children are not being indoctrinated into their own particular flavor.
Either that, or let communities operate their own schools. As long as there is federal money though, there will be federal top-down control.
if we have to have primary school it should teach the correct values
don't complain, work hard, respect your elders, honor the sacrifices of your ancestors, be grateful for everything you have, control your urges
But really we shouldn't have school at all. We should have extended families and communities that know each other to work together in raising and educating children until the child is a teenager and ready to handle making some life decisions.
The mother's job, with the assistance of aunts and grandmothers, is to handle the infant and toddlers until they are potty trained. After that the boys should go to work with their father, if the father works near home, and the girls should be helping their mother with the household, the other infants, or relatives with their households. Reading, writing, math can all be taught after the workday and by tutors.
If you look at the current elementary and high school curricula you can see there isn't any reason it takes 12! years to teach it. The vast majority of time in public school is just a waste.
The adoption of teaching materials by US public schools is not a first amendment issue, not a speech issue at all. That the left is now trying to frame the rejection of Critical Racism Theory as suppression of free speech is one of the most offensive, bitterest hypocrisies reasonable people have ever endured.
Parents have every right to reject what their spawn are subjected to in US public school prisons, and have since their inception. The PTA was created to give parents MORE input into public school teaching; at least in theory, parents are PARTNERS with schools in the education of their children. Up to recently parental involvement has usually been about book assignments or library holdings or sex ed content, with conservative parents doing the agitation and being ridiculed by liberals for being narrow-minded and prudish or, of course, "racist" and pervert-phobic.
Critical social justice has crept into the teaching of EVERYTHING, so much so that it will be impossible to reform US public schools. The only solution is for concerned parents to remove their children from PS clutches and send them to Catholic schools or other conservative private schools that reject the simpering commie indoctrination of Paolo Friere and the whole raft of neo-Marxist, racist, critical social justice mind poison.