What is wrong with having a show that appeals to boys/men, or having a strong male hero?
Thankfully I cancelled Netflix over a year ago, but of course I heard about the bait and switch which is pretty commonplace now. The shill websites are doing the usual fan attacks as well as praising the "stunning and brave" direction. One even called it a "radical reimaging". Netflix obviously should've just openly stated that it would be a show about Teela but they know there wouldn't be an audience for it (outside of the sycophants in media). They knew that people who grew up watching He-Man would want a show about He-Man. Although I would rather market to them because they would most likely have kids and buy merchandise, but it makes much more sense to market to blue haired feminists on twitter.
You would think what has happened with comic books over the last 7 years would wake some people up.
I'm glad Anime and Manga are doing well and I hope that Japan never bends the knee. I recently bought some Conan comic books and novels, as well as the complete Robert Howard collection. I know Netflix is doing a Conan show, but I am pretty sure he will be upstaged or he will learn everything from women.
But I will close with my question from above. What is wrong with having entertainment that appeals to boys/men? Or as Yellowflash put it "nothing wrong with having something that appeals to women/girls but why is it that something that generally appeals to men have to appeal to everybody"
This is very, very true, and VERY deliberate. Big Publishing has become dominated by women editors, women managers, women marketers, women "sensitivity readers", etc. YA is the most egregious example of the end result.
My kids have read The Hardy Boys. The Boxcar Children. Isaac Asimov. Other Sci-Fi/Fantasy from my childhood (70s-90s ish). Only the occasional present day book, and I have to be very careful to vet them.
I like most of the books of that "Who was ....?" series.
The good news is, there is so damn much good stuff from the last 200+ years, that there's plenty to pick from.
When one of my kids was learning about Christopher Columbus, I found online a textbook from the 1940-50s that had an in-depth history about Columbus, told in story fashion (unlike today's school books). The kids loved it because it was interesting, there were heroic actions and evil actions, and no, it did not paint Columbus as perfect or flawless either.
I could continue to rant about this for a long time...
If they like scary stuff, I would recommend Darren Shan. His vampire series is really cool and it has actually masculine vampires. At one point one character legit says that vampire life and culture doesn't work for most women's natural proclivities. Of course there are very few vampire women, but they are mostly extreme tomboys.
They are not evil, but they are extremely hard people.
I read the first few Blackthorn Key books by Kevin Sands and The Last Apprentice by Joseph Delaney, those were fun as well.
Oh, also Skullduggery Pleasant.
You may want to look at the Please Don't Tell my Parents I'm a Supervillain series. The main character is a young girl, but the series lacks woke nonsense and acknowledges consequences for the character's actions. It's also a good modern pulp adventure.
Like you I was a big reader at a young age (thanks to my mom dragging us to the library all the time) and I got into golden age sci-fi at first. It’s a shame what happened to mainstream sci-fi.
Check out the Galaxy's Edge books if you like grim-dark sci-fi. They're written by an army ranger so the military tactics are actually really well written.
Will do. Thanks!
When I was a kid in the 90's I grew up on the Biggles books - a series of daring, heroism and adventure about a WW1 fighter pilot written by.... a WW1 fighter pilot.
Even then, the process of sanitizing and pussifying children's media was WELL underway, having begun in the 50's, as you can read toward the bottom of that wikipedia article.
Today, there's basically nothing for boys that's produced in the west, that is anything more than a story about how the best thing they can do for the world is to shut up, lie down and die.
The Westerns of Louis Lamour. https://en.id1lib.org/s/louis%20lamour
The Saint series by Leslie Chateris https://en.id1lib.org/book/4665915/51acc8
The Parker series by Richard Stark https://en.id1lib.org/s/parker%20richard%20stark
Oh man, Biggles was the shit, I loved those books when I was a kid.
My favorite author when I was growing up was Otakar Batlička. I'm not sure if his books were ever translated to English, but he published multiple books and short stories of his travels around the world in the early 20th century, around WWI. Some of them are supposedly things that happened to him, and others are stories he heard people tell, and nobody knows for sure how much of what he wrote about was true, but I ate it up all the same because it was incredible in a similar vein as Biggles - a lot of adventure, heroism, and just general, natural, not-needlessly-exaggerated manliness.
So what you're saying is there's a market here waiting to be tapped?
Its something that has been pointed out by ClownfishTV (who have been on top of a lot of these sort of issues as people who used to work in the industry). They have been saying for years now: A lot of the writing 'Talent' in the US at the moment is using the media they make as as their own personal therapy session broadcasted to the world, and then its designed to appeal to their friends in media and in a handful of extremely progressive cities on the West Coast.
To prove this, Kneon showed one time, when talking about US made Comics, the sales numbers he had. They were abysmal, sub-200,000 for even the best performing ones. Then you look at where its selling...and its all Portland or San Francisco. Sales outside those two places were even more apocalyptic. So they THINK its what people want because it sells in their own back yard....and then they are surprised when they see all the hate. After all, all of their friends like it.
And then the writers are all of the same way, and a lot of them have unresolved issues that they deliberately write into their works. Why do you think so many female characters have "daddy issues"? Why do you think they are treated like the best people ever when they would be considered freaks by the average person? Why do so many of their stories focus on effectively reliving high school and doing it better (usually with a prom episode)?
And then they managed, with their friends in Marketing and PR (who were some of the first to be SJWs, along with HR), to convince CEO's that this is what people want. And that while you will have lots of anger and maybe lose money as people leave, eventually you will get a bigger audience to replace them.
But now, that money is starting to run out. The excuses are starting to run out. There is nothing left in the tank, which means they need to cut quality, which is just creating a negative feedback loop. And the Venture Capital money is running out (same problem a lot of the Journos are having), and now the CEOs are finally starting to wise up and go "You said there would be money by now. Where? Is? My?! MONEY?!" And most of them dont have an answer. So now a lot of companies are starting to see about creating their own Anime to ride the tide, but a lot of the Anime companies are already sending them letters saying "Fuck Off" after they got burned with a few deals and shows, so they may have problems.
Its been a long road, but it seems we are reaching the end of the "Go Broke" arc for a lot of these Entertainment companies.
Great points. I recently started watching Clownfish and they are great.
To be fair, this is a valid question when dealing with real life females too. You can't talk to a single one without uncovering something daddy related.
It's clownish:
Either "Daddy Issues" is a straw-man argument for something else (promiscuity issues) or these women are simply brats who need a real husband to tame them.
Sometimes they're just whores, sometimes they're just mentally children that never grew up (mentally, I mean) because they never faced consequences for their bad decisions.
And sometimes they're butthurt that they were raised well and are trying to rebel.
Sometimes they didn't have dads so they turn into whores.
Personally, I've always thought of it as a defect in women's emotional state that our current culture is unable to properly satisfy/control. Likely because they aren't traded from dad to husband like property anymore.
It is always funny though that complete lack of dad or too good of dad ends up with the same slutty beast of a woman who can barely function in reality. One just cries a little more, but the result otherwise is the same.
There's a loophole in "get woke go broke": it assumes that a producer of goods is dependent upon its consumers to make a profit.
Say you're an executive at some big company like Ubisoft. You sell games, got a new one in the works. The number crunchers give you a report of expected sales totalling X. Now a foreign entity approaches you with a deal under the table: force this small list of changes in your new game and receive 2X dollars. This foreign entity is now your customer base and can outvote thousands of wallets.
No proof, of course. Legitimate business deals get covered in NDAs, so of course an illegitimate business deal isn't gonna be reported. Not really the point, though, the point is that an incentive structure exists and so it shouldn't be considered impossible.
There are many variations of this. One of my favorites is when that 2X dollar payment is made in the form of product purchases, so the executive can now factually report that they doubled expected sales. Even better if the product is digital because then foreign entity doesn't have to waste a trip to the dump.
That would be the Venture Capital I was talking about. Its what got a lot of the internet journo types up and running, and they got their mitts into a lot of the entertainment industry, and its widely known that VC Money comes with a ton of strings attached. But THEY also need to make money, and they havent been, so they are starting to stop their funding to these companies, and now these companies, who were relying on the VC money to stay afloat, are up Shit Creek without a BOAT, nevermind a paddle.
So your loophole can buy time, but it wont save you in the long run. Think about it this way: Marvel and DC Comics are currently so underwater and drowning in debt, that they are talking about ceasing production of ALL new comics and focusing exclusively on reprints of old comics, since at least those sell. Now go back 30 years ago, when Comics where at their peak, and tell any rando on the street that would be the state of Comics in the US. They wouldnt believe you. They would think you are some nutjob. But 30 years later, its a very real possibility.
Anime also has a little bit of inoculation against this problem because a few decades ago, when they first tried to get into America, they changed a lot of stuff to try and appeal to Americans...and it crashed and burned. So it may be part of the reason so many Japanese companies are not really taking the bait. "We tried this whole 'Wider Audience' thing before, and it didnt work."
Basically, what I am getting at is that I dont doubt that such shenanigans are done (its actually very well known, to the point I have heard it referred to as "Hollywood Math"). But its not a thing you can do forever, and eventually the Piper comes expecting his due.
I was leaning a bit away from venture capitalists. As you say, they expect a return on their investment. Any person making a similar investment without expecting a financial return is either pulling some investment trickery or is engaging deliberate sabotage - both of which can be considered a form of financial return, I suppose.
This is a bit more of a stretch, but what if it's a foreign government? There's plenty of governments that bleed money freely. This becomes a lot more plausible if it's not concerning consumer media, like if someone were to influence our nation's military leadership into making terrible policy decisions for the purpose of weakening our strength. That's an easy write-off to a foreign nation's military budget.
Explaining such a thing for vidya or movies is more difficult, as I can barely grasp the required belief systems. I know people exist that believe you can force cultural change by manipulating media (because they think culture is a product of media when media is actually a product of culture). I do not know how this belief develops, so I can't guess as to what countries might be stuck with it in their leadership.
From there, it'd be a matter of how much of a threat a nation (or western society as a whole) is to some global power player, and them trying to put a price to the destabilization of their enemy. It certainly sounds laughable like this, though, because it's so weak and petty.
Regardless, I do agree that it cannot be done forever. If it's done for the purpose of sabotage, it won't need forever. I just find it troubling because not many seem to be prepared for actions that betray expectations.
I'd like to ask a second question. Why would anyone, ever, believe or believe in Kevin Smith? That sack of shit has been shilling degenerate, atheist bullshit for more than twenty years now. Who could ever mistake him for someone that isn't just a typical Hollywood shill?
lol godfag
There is nothing wrong with that. Which is why I strictly watch shows from the 70s and 80s, or even 60s and 90s, and at last resort the first 10 years of this century.
Same here. A while back I decided to only watch or read stuff from 2014 and prior. Unless someone I trust recommends it anything done now will be suspect. Look at mainstream sci-fi books.
One very rare exception to the rule is the movie Upgrade (2018). It's pretty badass and takes some nice twists.
The choreography is actually appropriate for the theme of the film; the action is visceral and it stars a straight-white male who isn't undercut, undermined, or subverted by any sort of woke nonsense.
It basically delivers the kind of (very hardcore) cyberpunk universe that CD Projekt SHOULD have made with CP 2077.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
Can't recommend Upgrade enough. It's like an R-rated Venom. Even stars a dude who looks exactly like Tom Hardee.
That movie was hella fun and a surprise. Do recommend.
+1 for Upgrade 2018.
We've had the free Apple TV+ subscription for a year and I refused to even look at any of the original TV and Movie programming. Especially TV because these sick fags have a way to writing great stories in a few episodes before they piss all over them with faggy woke garbage.
One day I watched a WWII movie, "Greyhound", thinking, they can't faggy-woke WWII can they? I was pleasantly surprised. I watch the movie twice just to make sure it was as entertaining as I thought.
It took a while to venture out to try another one since I thought "Greyhound" probably slipped through the cracks. I tried "Cherry" with Tom Holland. Again, surprised, big time. They even had the opportunity to sneak in some faggy wokeness and they just didn't. That movie was good enough to watch twice.
So then I tried a TV show. The first one was "For All Mankind", an alternative universe story of the moon landing... bait and switch. It was great the first few episodes, but as the show went on, they forced more faggy woke garbage. I stopped watching it.
The last show I tried was "See", an apocalyptic story about a world 600 years after a virus (or vaccine?) left all mankind blind. It was, again, surprisingly unfaggy, but yeesh, the queen is the worst anti-Christian character I've ever seen. You are literally rooting for her to die. The rest of the show was excellent, but, as with all TV shows, I am await for The Switch, when all the world are fags and only women are wise.
We'll see.
Straight white male heroes with strong traditional values are my kink, don't shame me bro!
Strong men will resist the people instigating this Cultural Revolution. Thus they must prevent the youth from becoming strong men.
That cycle is popular because it can be interpreted in multiple ways. I don't think praying for a messiah is one of the correct interpretations unless you strictly desire an avatar of vengeance. Or maybe similar would be praying for a leader to unite the allies to your cause. But a Jesus figure, no, I don't think that's a real interpretation.
You would posit that weak men are capable of opposing what's currently happening? Strong men might not be fated to oppose it, but I'd argue they're the ones with the most meaningful capacity to oppose what's happening.
Ok faggot.
Today I watched 2 things that really drove home to me the answer to your question. 1) I watched all 5 eps of Kevin Smith's MotU. I grew up with as a kid and really wanted to see how it went. Everything you heard about was correct. Even one producer saying he didn't want "Strong White Male" central character. 2) Watched the HBO documentary on Woodstock 99 where the Blue Hairs and some jogger from the NY Times blamed everything on Angry, White Males while this same jogger said Kid Rock stole rap from black people and made it more angry and misogynistic. Next they showed DMX singing My Niggas and the all white crowd signing along and called them racist for doing it.
So to answer your question they want us completely without any heroes as they see us as bad people
Ha! That is funny about Kid Rock. I love his music. Also find it interesting how rap gets a free pass. Even when it was being criticized by black ministers they still defended it. There is good rap but definitely any rap that has a good message will not get mainstream airplay. If DMX didn’t have a problem with it then the moron from NY Times shouldn’t.
The obsession with no straight white marks is absurd. And the diversity obsession is counterproductive. Now if they hype a black, Hispanic, female writer/director I’m already assuming it’s going to be woke garbage. I would imagine a black author who wants to tell a good story or a female programmer who wants to make a good video game would have a hard time. Same with a white male who doesn’t wring his hands about “his privilege”.
The Critical Drinker just dropped a funny review saying the same thing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6GUGatFBLo
"Every man must be humiliated and broken down by a strong and diverse woman"
Nigger Kang really bothered me. A genius scientist from the future is a nigger. Not just a bleached nigger but black as night bull with a gorilla nose.
Lots of complaints with that fucking awful show but it ended on a real low point. Are we supposed to believe that somehow a descendent of Mister Fantastic somehow darkened his lineage to a black nigger buck?
Are we supposed to believe that this walking gorilla somehow infiltrated and ruled every civilization since the Aztecs? And all those cultures and beliefs had no issue with a wool covered walking gorilla ruling over their people?
Hey, I’m black and I despise this hyper obsession with diversity and race swapping. It was obnoxious before but ever since George Floy they are expanding woke nonsense to places I never would’ve thought imaginable. One of the many reasons I generally watch stuff from 2014 and prior.
I take it you aren’t a fan of black people. You have that right of course but I assure you we aren’t all of the “I’m entitled to everything and shouldn’t have to earn anything” mentality
Well I’ve gotten into hot water with my relatives and other black people for calling them out on their hypocrisies and calling out this anti white sentiment. But I’m only one person. Country isn’t perfect but im grateful to be born here and I was in the Air Force because I wanted to serve my country.
There shouldn’t need to be such an organization because civil rights in theory should apply to everyone. I despise that privilege is thrown around so much. I will say I did have the privilege of a loving mother and father so im grateful for that.
You are entitled to your opinion I personally am big on looking at the individual person. Granted I see what is going on today.
I sincerely wish you all the best. But you will understand that I will cross the road to avoid you.
It is absolutely a 100% bitch.
Likewise. I am around 20 percent European so I’ll wave at you with my white dna. Lol. But seriously I predicted this would happen. Media and black race hustlers will be whining that people don’t want to associate with blacks. I wonder why.
I wish you the best as well.
Well my parents despised using the race card and blaming others for your mistakes or failures. So I definitely see how that was helpful
Really dude? Why the racism? Thanks for proving the SJWs right....
I don't know, maybe it's shoving niggers into everything constantly. I watch tv to escape from them. If I wanted to see shucking jiving subhumans I'd turn off the tv.
Sorry about your vagina
It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? Shouldn't you take responsibility for your own actions? Isn't that what people like you say to black people?
You have no idea
I have done much more for black people than you have or ever will. That's not a challenge and I don't know you but it's true. I guarantee it.
Still they hate people, they even hate other niggers. We are told it's racist not to have niggers everywhere, even in roles clearly meant for white people where it makes no sense to have a nigger.
We are told that their hatred is valid and even questioning it is racist. We are attacked and then blamed.
I've lived in the most niggery cities outside of Africa, trust me they hate you.
I've done more for and been closer to niggers than most people. Racism does not come from white people.
Now answer me, how am I not taking responsibility for my actions? How is being exhausted with seeing niggers constantly on television in every role not taking responsibility. How is it blaming? Do you deny they are overrepresented?
Don't change the topic. Answer the question you fucking pussy. Do you deny they are being forced everywhere and white people are being attacked?
All I said was having Kang as a nigger when it is statistically highly unlikely knowing the character is annoying. Don't turn this into virtue signaling because your life is empty and you have nothing else to be proud of.
That's a lot to answer so we're going to stick to the topic. You wanted to get into this so answer my questions, don't just whine racism and call names. If you don't answer I won't respond. Take your time.
Yes black people are pushed too much in films, I agree with you on that. I agreed with what you said in the first post. What I didn't like was the Gorilla and nigger terms. I wouldn't have an issue if you didn't use those terms.
Aww I'm sorry faggot. Use saniwipes next time you dilate. It cleans up best.
Okay I'm done with you. Disappear.
I've thinking of this too. Frank Frazetta art is also badass and you can collect card sets of his art.
I recently watched "Fire & Ice" the 1983 animated movie. It was silly, badass, and fun! I didn't feel preached to, just told a cool tale. Darkwolf was such an awesome side character. He reminded me of Boba Fet back when Bobba Fet was st9ne cold & capable. Frazetta helped create the characters/story.
Link to cartoon movie free on youtube: https://youtu.be/Kqa4s8ufvqA
Thanks!
I listened to 3 out of 4 video game pitches yesterday where the main character presented was a genderless blob with zero personality and interesting qualities. It is straight up communist brainwashing.
That's still better than a female protagonist.
Just yesterday I was watching one of my favorite movies of all time, Reign of Fire, and I was reminded that it might be also one of the best depictions of men and manhood of all time.
Sure on the surface its a movie about dragons and the end of the world. But you get to see the struggles of fatherhood vs duty to one's people, where watching his kids starve drives a man to harvest early and lose seeds for future farming. The burden of leadership in general. The head to head of masculinity types, where the empathetic father struggles against the blood knight for what's the right choice, between surviving and waiting them out versus losing a lot of people trying to end the war. Manly men doing manly things for an entire movie, plus dragons.
I think that's why a movie that really fails to deliver on the spectacle of "killing dragons" has stuck with me for all these years. Its kinda like 300 in that once its over, you feel your testosterone boiling and the desire to be a man again though in a much more introspective sense.
It also predicted Leftist mindset way back in 2002:
Or maybe I just really love the movie and want to wildly rant about it.
If you want to demoralize and destroy a people, you have to destroy their men in particular. That is what is going on, that is why they will spin some excuse for why women and POCs can have things and white men can't. Yes they 'll butcher REH, who was just as "racist" as his friend HPL. Double whammy, destroy a masculine icon and tarnish a wrong thinkers legacy.
I’ve seen people say that it wouldn’t be right to race swapping black Panther but they gush whenever zendaya or any other black wombs takes a red head role.
I have toyed with a “reimagined” Black Panther where he is the white son of charity workers who die and he is found by the son or daughter of tribal chief/king and is raised as part of the royal family. I’d love to see heads exlode.
masculinity is a force for good and the constructive power that built all civilizations, ever.
The feminist agenda cannot allow this truth to be shown to young boys. They must learn to hate themselves and worship and serve women.
It's definitionally wrong to these people. If you're male, as far as they are concerned, there should be no path - none at all - that allows you to feel good about yourself, for you must bear the imagined sins of generations past and spent your entire life paying penance for these sins, until you're old, expended, discarded and forgotten. Sorry for sounding deeply ideological about it but, well, hollywood writers are being deeply ideological about it.
Because it would mean there's redeeming qualities about men, and the people in power don't want that to be the case.