There were defenses of free speech, faggots from ConsumeProduct (and probably some TheDonald) raiding the forum and creating threads in their community to pile on, some resident KIA2ers "thinking of the children", and the usual disingenuous fuckery.
As always, the people who cry out loudest are usually the aggressors, so hopefully none of the moral fags are around kids nor procreate for the safety of real children.
Nah, pedos pretend to be not pedos. If you argue that this degenerate garbage is not pedophilic, then pedos would obviously not have to pretend that they do not like it.
Furthermore, I don't car either way. Just don't shove it in my face, nor pretend that cartoon child pornography is 'free speech' and that forums have to allow it.
It's the same problem I have with Gab. Pretend to be for free speech but really they just want to protect racist speech.
Which I'm not entirely opposed to, but don't pretend you're for freedom when you're not, in the same way Twitter shouldn't be billing itself as the town square and a way to keep in touch with people when they will interfere if you communicate ideas they don't like.
Porn isn't speech lol. You're really reaching there. Supporting freedom of speech doesn't mean you support freedom for every other topic. It's not one bit hypocritical.
It's an inconvenient thing for you to support, so you write it off as not speech. It's completely hypocritical and you can't even be a man about being a hypocrite.
And minds has now started banning people not just for loli but for "the canonical ages of characters" (even characters like Jotaro)
WHAT DID WE FUCKING TELL YOU
I just thought it was weird that people were so into that topic that it reached a high reply count
'loli stuff' has been such a hot debate button online that I'd say it's practically bait. If you browse that thread, you'll probably understand why it draws such a crowd, but I'll summarize: both sides are fighting for their principles so hard that it makes it hard for negotiation to occur.
I can't really say when it became such a topic, but I started paying more attention to it in relation to culture war stuff having to do with imageboards being attacked.
Assistant Health Secretary, no doubt. That dude is hardcore, has a few surprises, and knows how to hold victims down. Rand couldn't even protect his wife from soy boys.
what happened to Rand Pauls wife and how does it involve soyboys? Im sure the tranny health secretary has a good 30 lbs and 4 inches on Rand, but if he/she is soft enough from her transitioning, she and him may be an equal match.
Rand and his wife were attacked by Antifa in the streets of DC. A lot of Congressmen were. Yet they made me of a fuss about Jan 6th than gets surrounded by the mob threatening their own wives.
Jonathan Haidt's moral foundation theory would have predicted this;
Pro loli: Rely primarily on fairness and harm/care. In the production of child pornography, a child is exploited. This is a type of harm and child pornography is, therefore, immoral. However, lolis are not actual people and can't be harmed. Therefore, producing sexual images of them is morally acceptable.
Anti loli: Rely on all five foundations, with purity being the most important one for our purposes. Mixing children and sexuality is taboo, period. Sexual drawings of loli mix children and sexuality, therefore they are immoral.
no its not a dodge, its the fact that that is basically your whole arguement. And you prove it with the way that you keep acting so extreme that you issue death threats at people cause in your head"ITS LITERALLY KIDS"
You? Rule 16'd? NEVER! Honestly, I've never looked at the rules... Let me see... Oh, yeah, I guess that kinda-sorta checks out.
What you encountered there is the /b/ mantra of "I'll argue with anyone about anything!"
A lot of "handshake" accounts, too, so I think it was a raid of some sort, gone out of control because "I'll argue with anyone about anything" went awry? I certainly contributed, because I type really fast and I enjoy dumpster fires, and thought some of the people advocating for authoritarianism and militarized police states were concerning when they weren't handshake accounts. Spend no more than 6 minutes on a post, that is, 500 words. And the replies I get for pointing out their slippery slope and defense of thoughtcrime prosecution? "Figures a Canadian Frenchman would say that".
Not proper logical debate being applied at all, no discourse, no Socratic dialogue! They weren't even fun trolls you can verbally fence with for a while.
So someone, pick a topic, I'll advocate for the opposite and defend it vociferously no matter what it is, let's see if we can recreate the shitstorm and do it properly!
EDIT: Actually, it's an overt concern. Seems the sub gets the most activity around six hours prior to this timestamp? I'll make a new topic of a Debate Practice Club, unless a mod whacks me down for it, because some people weren't Handshake accounts, but were debating horribly.
I suppose, being "for", I should go first? But I do expect you to reply.
Let it be resolved that: loli hentai should be banned.
Definitions: Loli: A fictional entity with no basis in fact, that is presented as the form of a pre-pubescent female humanoid. Whether or not the presented form is indeed what they are to present on a meta level is irrelevent, that is to say, we will include ancient androids, aliens, 30-year-old elves, 900-year-old vampires, et cetera in this category, we are dealing with the physical presentation only, for simplicity's sake. .
Hentai: Drawn, written, or animated fiction content with the primary purpose of tittilation of the viewer.
Three positions to be against loli hentai:
Hentai in general is endemic in cultures with low birth rates of native populations, requiring imported populations to keep their population pyramid stable. Not only do imported populations throw off the national culture regardless of countries of origin and destination, but they require large sums of money to manage governmentally. If your goal is a stable pyramid-shaped population, which it appears to be the goal in basically every nation in the world, the banning of all fictional sex acts and endorsement of real sex acts makes clear and logical sense. People want sexual pleasure, if they cannot get it from fictional sources, they will go for real sources. Loli, being a subcategory of hentai, being a subcategory of fictional sex, should be restricted or banned based on this measure and goal. It will result in a few children being raped, sure, studies have overtly shown this over and over again, but a small price to pay for a proper population curve, which economically will make far more money than the costs of psychological and physical healthcare for the victims.
Loli presents unrealistic standards of behavior of youth. Face it, youth access sexual materials. They do, there's no stopping this, many have tried and failed. Despite this, most loli content is, obviously and for clear and blatant legal reasons, targetted at adult consumers (otherwise it would be distributing sexual content TO a minor, which is illegal and the creator/distributor should be arrested). Still, people generally seek out pornography of a similar age range to themselves for the most part, so youth would be accessing that content, and that means that loli is irresponsibly mis-educating the youth on proper sex education. Until it can be regulated and overseen to portray useful morals and educational life lessons, it should not be generally accessible, as that general access would lead to youth accessing it in turn.
Loli hentai provides an outlet for pedophiles aside from abusing real children. As we know, pedos are bad. I don't think I need to argue that point within this one, despite it technically being a different debate, I will beg the question: Let us assume pedos are bad, and that most people agree that pedos are bad. Not only does loli make it harder to track down pedos, since there's no victims to make a trail, it also is content heavily associated with them. That makes this a very easy "in" to initiate a societal control to shape society in a better way. Once you create precedent for controlling others, it gets progressively easier to do it more and more. If your goal is a thoughtcrime division, to have the government in every home, because you as ruler know better than your subjects (else why would you be ruler and not them?), then banning it makes for a great first step. No sane person would object to Protecting The Fictional Children, nor would they seek to be in the image of protecting Pedos in any way, therefore there would be minimal opposition to this first step, which can be referenced later when, going back to point 1 in example, you attempt to ban fictional pornography in general perhaps, or ban pornography made by [Ethnicity] peoples, which can later lead into a general ban on their works. Slippery slope is not a fallacy in this case, as I am proposing it explicitly as a plan to follow in order to reshape society in its entirety, using human nature's love of precedents and prior decisions as a cudgel to accomplish this task.
Your counter-arguments to my points? I feel they make a great deal of logical sense.
News came out about Minds - https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2021/03/21/alternate-social-media-site-minds-ceo-labels-loli-illegal-bans-users/
There were defenses of free speech, faggots from ConsumeProduct (and probably some TheDonald) raiding the forum and creating threads in their community to pile on, some resident KIA2ers "thinking of the children", and the usual disingenuous fuckery.
As always, the people who cry out loudest are usually the aggressors, so hopefully none of the moral fags are around kids nor procreate for the safety of real children.
The homosexual lobby used it to great effect, so why would you not expect others to copy it?
Nah, pedos pretend to be not pedos. If you argue that this degenerate garbage is not pedophilic, then pedos would obviously not have to pretend that they do not like it.
Furthermore, I don't car either way. Just don't shove it in my face, nor pretend that cartoon child pornography is 'free speech' and that forums have to allow it.
It's the same problem I have with Gab. Pretend to be for free speech but really they just want to protect racist speech.
Which I'm not entirely opposed to, but don't pretend you're for freedom when you're not, in the same way Twitter shouldn't be billing itself as the town square and a way to keep in touch with people when they will interfere if you communicate ideas they don't like.
Porn isn't speech lol. You're really reaching there. Supporting freedom of speech doesn't mean you support freedom for every other topic. It's not one bit hypocritical.
It's an inconvenient thing for you to support, so you write it off as not speech. It's completely hypocritical and you can't even be a man about being a hypocrite.
And minds has now started banning people not just for loli but for "the canonical ages of characters" (even characters like Jotaro) WHAT DID WE FUCKING TELL YOU
No, I don't think many here use Minds at all. In fact, I doubt many have even tried it.
Similarly, most of us don't give a shit about loli or shota, but it was never about personal preference.
You can see proof in the names and arguments, and even this thread. Lots of Plebbit behavior.
'loli stuff' has been such a hot debate button online that I'd say it's practically bait. If you browse that thread, you'll probably understand why it draws such a crowd, but I'll summarize: both sides are fighting for their principles so hard that it makes it hard for negotiation to occur.
I can't really say when it became such a topic, but I started paying more attention to it in relation to culture war stuff having to do with imageboards being attacked.
Because arguing over normal stuff has gotten boring.
Now, who would win in a wrestling match a Red Panda or a Sloth?
Rand Paul or the tranny health secretary?
Who would win?
Assistant Health Secretary, no doubt. That dude is hardcore, has a few surprises, and knows how to hold victims down. Rand couldn't even protect his wife from soy boys.
what happened to Rand Pauls wife and how does it involve soyboys? Im sure the tranny health secretary has a good 30 lbs and 4 inches on Rand, but if he/she is soft enough from her transitioning, she and him may be an equal match.
Rand and his wife were attacked by Antifa in the streets of DC. A lot of Congressmen were. Yet they made me of a fuss about Jan 6th than gets surrounded by the mob threatening their own wives.
What happens if impossible transitions into a woman.
The Great Reset we actually needed.
Nah, that's just the mods on Reddit. Here, it's a wild west of mods not receiving bribes...
Jonathan Haidt's moral foundation theory would have predicted this;
Pro loli: Rely primarily on fairness and harm/care. In the production of child pornography, a child is exploited. This is a type of harm and child pornography is, therefore, immoral. However, lolis are not actual people and can't be harmed. Therefore, producing sexual images of them is morally acceptable.
Anti loli: Rely on all five foundations, with purity being the most important one for our purposes. Mixing children and sexuality is taboo, period. Sexual drawings of loli mix children and sexuality, therefore they are immoral.
Or maybe the problem if you see "ACTUALLY A KID" whilst others see fake anime character.
why do you see anime characters as "LITERALLY CHILDREN"? As usual those who scream loudest are usually the aggressors.
Like i said . You see "ITS LITERALLY CHILDREN" others see "anime characters". Keep projecting your own issues.
no its not a dodge, its the fact that that is basically your whole arguement. And you prove it with the way that you keep acting so extreme that you issue death threats at people cause in your head"ITS LITERALLY KIDS"
Comment Reported for: Rule 2, and Rule 3
Comment Removed: Rule 2 mostly.
They need to ban the ones that accuse people of pedophilia for not being unrepentant degenerates like themselves.
"handshake account"
Damn I didn't realize there were nearly 200 comments on that until I looked again. And without you and AoV going at it even?!
I hadn't been paying attention that much this weekend.
24 hours and pedophiles come out of the abyss.
You? Rule 16'd? NEVER! Honestly, I've never looked at the rules... Let me see... Oh, yeah, I guess that kinda-sorta checks out.
What you encountered there is the /b/ mantra of "I'll argue with anyone about anything!"
A lot of "handshake" accounts, too, so I think it was a raid of some sort, gone out of control because "I'll argue with anyone about anything" went awry? I certainly contributed, because I type really fast and I enjoy dumpster fires, and thought some of the people advocating for authoritarianism and militarized police states were concerning when they weren't handshake accounts. Spend no more than 6 minutes on a post, that is, 500 words. And the replies I get for pointing out their slippery slope and defense of thoughtcrime prosecution? "Figures a Canadian Frenchman would say that".
Not proper logical debate being applied at all, no discourse, no Socratic dialogue! They weren't even fun trolls you can verbally fence with for a while.
So someone, pick a topic, I'll advocate for the opposite and defend it vociferously no matter what it is, let's see if we can recreate the shitstorm and do it properly!
EDIT: Actually, it's an overt concern. Seems the sub gets the most activity around six hours prior to this timestamp? I'll make a new topic of a Debate Practice Club, unless a mod whacks me down for it, because some people weren't Handshake accounts, but were debating horribly.
Sure!
I suppose, being "for", I should go first? But I do expect you to reply.
Let it be resolved that: loli hentai should be banned.
Definitions: Loli: A fictional entity with no basis in fact, that is presented as the form of a pre-pubescent female humanoid. Whether or not the presented form is indeed what they are to present on a meta level is irrelevent, that is to say, we will include ancient androids, aliens, 30-year-old elves, 900-year-old vampires, et cetera in this category, we are dealing with the physical presentation only, for simplicity's sake. .
Hentai: Drawn, written, or animated fiction content with the primary purpose of tittilation of the viewer.
Three positions to be against loli hentai:
Hentai in general is endemic in cultures with low birth rates of native populations, requiring imported populations to keep their population pyramid stable. Not only do imported populations throw off the national culture regardless of countries of origin and destination, but they require large sums of money to manage governmentally. If your goal is a stable pyramid-shaped population, which it appears to be the goal in basically every nation in the world, the banning of all fictional sex acts and endorsement of real sex acts makes clear and logical sense. People want sexual pleasure, if they cannot get it from fictional sources, they will go for real sources. Loli, being a subcategory of hentai, being a subcategory of fictional sex, should be restricted or banned based on this measure and goal. It will result in a few children being raped, sure, studies have overtly shown this over and over again, but a small price to pay for a proper population curve, which economically will make far more money than the costs of psychological and physical healthcare for the victims.
Loli presents unrealistic standards of behavior of youth. Face it, youth access sexual materials. They do, there's no stopping this, many have tried and failed. Despite this, most loli content is, obviously and for clear and blatant legal reasons, targetted at adult consumers (otherwise it would be distributing sexual content TO a minor, which is illegal and the creator/distributor should be arrested). Still, people generally seek out pornography of a similar age range to themselves for the most part, so youth would be accessing that content, and that means that loli is irresponsibly mis-educating the youth on proper sex education. Until it can be regulated and overseen to portray useful morals and educational life lessons, it should not be generally accessible, as that general access would lead to youth accessing it in turn.
Loli hentai provides an outlet for pedophiles aside from abusing real children. As we know, pedos are bad. I don't think I need to argue that point within this one, despite it technically being a different debate, I will beg the question: Let us assume pedos are bad, and that most people agree that pedos are bad. Not only does loli make it harder to track down pedos, since there's no victims to make a trail, it also is content heavily associated with them. That makes this a very easy "in" to initiate a societal control to shape society in a better way. Once you create precedent for controlling others, it gets progressively easier to do it more and more. If your goal is a thoughtcrime division, to have the government in every home, because you as ruler know better than your subjects (else why would you be ruler and not them?), then banning it makes for a great first step. No sane person would object to Protecting The Fictional Children, nor would they seek to be in the image of protecting Pedos in any way, therefore there would be minimal opposition to this first step, which can be referenced later when, going back to point 1 in example, you attempt to ban fictional pornography in general perhaps, or ban pornography made by [Ethnicity] peoples, which can later lead into a general ban on their works. Slippery slope is not a fallacy in this case, as I am proposing it explicitly as a plan to follow in order to reshape society in its entirety, using human nature's love of precedents and prior decisions as a cudgel to accomplish this task.
Your counter-arguments to my points? I feel they make a great deal of logical sense.
Are we back in KIA prime or something? I don't have a clue why anyone is getting so defensive about porn. Anyone dissenting is getting down voted.
I'm out of the loop. Is this a drawing of a naked kid, or is this something drawn by a naked kid? I'm lost.