I don't remember where I read this, but there's this idea that the correctness of your understanding of the world can be demonstrated by your ability to predict the outcome.
With that spirit, how good is KIA's understanding? Will Trump be on office the day after inauguration or will it be Biden?
This question is not who you think SHOULD be in office, just who WILL be.
1 vote per person, and no you can't vote for your grandma.
My vote: Trump will still be there.
I previously posited here that Biden would easily take the election, and I was wrong, but then again so was everyone else in that thread.
But I have several reasons for thinking Trump will still be in office after inauguration. Redemption?
My reasoning:
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He tweeted that there was 2.7 million fraudulent votes. Unlike many people here, I don't have a high opinion of Trump, but even I don't think he's that irresponsible to tweet something so massive unless there was a shred of truth to it.
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Maybe his chances of each state isn't that great, but if Trump can conclusively prove through the court even 1 state to be systematically fraudulent, that would give him more than enough weight with conservatives to do literally anything with the election.
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All 5 main contested states' senates are republican controlled.
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And finally, because he's demonstrated that he's willing to go nuclear to get what he wants. Whether he remains in office much longer after inauguration day remains to be seen.
Current Tally:
Trump: 11 me, LaptopWillEatThisAcc, Etherwaze, ArtemisFoul, VerGreenEyes, TheImpossible1, netruephilosoraptor, anon12, cccpneveragain, deriliction, TentElephant
Biden: 11 OBRIENMUSTSUFFER, kcc446, GallantEnd, SR388-SAX, Galean, Knife-totingRat, peterlocke, lolfail9001, Guy_Incognito76, Piroko, 666sadfrogs
Biden/Pence: 1 ernsithe (mmkay)
Neither: rfu12
I want to believe it but I’m not completely optimistic. I think if the left was allowed to get this far with their fraud then there’s a pretty good chance the court will just cuck and declare Biden the winner no matter what evidence Trump brings, and I’m sure theres going to be more than a few faggot rinos stabbing him in the back in order to prevent “dividing the nation”. Plus as stupid as it is most normies still just blindly swallow whatever the mainstream news tells them and even if he wins they’ll still act like it was Trump that stole the election. But I hope I’m wrong in any case.
This is the only way I see Trump losing. I also see it as the most likely outcome, because the last 70 years of right wing politics across the developed world has been non-stop Chamberlain-esque appeasement of an opposition that will take a mile every time they're given an inch, and will ALWAYS ask for another inch at the the end of it.
The media is talking like it's business as usual, Biden is president elect, Trump's claims are baseless and absurd, that there is no evidence whatsoever (as we all know, there's a mountain of it, but the media won't acknowledge that any of it even exists), and that there is absolutely no question that come january, Biden moves into the white house no matter what. They're doing this to ensure absolute MAXIMUM emotional whiplash for democrats if they then have to report Trump has won re-election in the courts.
I think there's a strong chance that Trump victory in this manner would see secessionist movements go mainstream in solid blue states, and fear of that will keep the supreme court too chickenshit to declare the election fraudulent.
Just to be clear, you saying he wont be in office Jan 21?
I don’t think he will.
I believe Trump won the election, if it was played out legitimately. Otherwise that means: the Bellwether towns were wrong for the first time since the 50s; the method that asked people who they thought their friends voted for was wrong for the first time; the media who increased the inaccuracies with their polling, magically called the race accurately despite the shenanigans; all the whistleblowers who signed affidavits made it up; all the Democrats are correct to say no fraud happens during an election, despite banging on about election interference for 3 years; Biden and Kamala had more voters than Obama, despite the WalkAway movement; Democrats telling people to move to Georgia to vote in the runoffs is only an isolated incident for a fraud attempt; you don’t need to campaign much, conduct interviews or have many debates to win the election; Biden’s campaign manager was wrong when she said that many areas were closer than they thought, and Biden wasn’t going to perform as well as once thought; the Dominion whistleblower is going to lose her job for no reason other than lying to the public.
That’s quite a lot of things to simultaneously be incorrect at the same time. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. There has to be a semblance of truth that isn’t just a little negligence. At the very least, it’s not over yet.
There is also the apparent revelation that the Arizona's Dominion voting machines weren't properly certified, forcing the GOP chairwoman to step down.
Arizona law requires that the test shall be observed by 2 election inspectors, who shall not be of the same party. Only the democrat representative signed the certificate of accuracy.
She got intensely offended when accused of not certifying the machine for accuracy, and then when it came out she didn't even show up, she resigned, undoubtedly with just as intense offense.
So, it was the first time the machine had ever been used in an AZ election, it was a Dominion machine, only in Maricopa county, and neither she nor the Independent who also could have certified it showed up to do so.
One vote per person? Why, that's not very American of you...
I'm leaning towards Trump not being in office after the inauguration.
It was blatantly obvious there was massive fraud as soon as they stopped counting ballots across all the swing states, and the proof has just continued to pile up. It makes me sad to see what's happening to my country, but too many people, institutions, and the media opposition are just too insurmountable in my opinion.
Nope, the media has already decided Biden will be the president. With the amount of fraud going on, I doubt anything will happen to reverse the corruption. Even if it was proven, nothing will happen, because Biden is already the winner (citogenisis on a level never seen before).
I do not believe Trump himself will concede, but the media will decide he did anyway. The "Republicans" will accept it nonetheless, they'd rather retain control of the senate and cockblock Democrats as controlled opposition.
As for the folks that voted Republican, they'll go back to work like usual, they have jobs unlike those bureaucratic admins and blue haired leeches of society. There will not be any civil unrest, because the media has decided there shouldn't be any.
Biden did NOT win. The media does not decide.
Of course they don't, they just make the appearance they do. Then people who aren't critical of the media would fall in line and accept it as the truth.
The way they are suppressing any contrary news, makes me think they have something to hide. Propaganda isn't needed if they have won for real.
I'm not religious, I do not even know the context of this quote but I'm starting to think "the meek" are the blue haired gender confused mentally unstable crowd of leftists. They definitely seem to be winning and corrupting society to suite them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cct98wRv3SY
We really need to start going back to the original meanings of words.
Terry Pratchett kind of pointed out similar in Lords and Ladies.
"Elves are terrific. They bring terror".
Whomever is elected Speaker the first week of Jan will be sworn in, which is not likely to be Pelosi. There could be just enough moderate dems to side with the Republicans. Wouldn't it be something if it's McCarthy that gets sworn in.
Which would be the best possible outcome for the meme economy as the ones about commies being afraid because a McCarthy is in the white house would be glorious.
That would be absolutely hillarious as few people think Biden can last 4 years ( though many pretend to think he can ). Maaaby his body can function that long, but his mind is 3/4 gone already.
If the relevant states manage to hold off or overthrow any legal injunctions and get their electors to vote faithfully (which feels like the wrong word to use here), then Trump is fucked.
But there are a multitude of ways for him to pull through:
So pending any legal victories, right now I give him 50/50 odds (you can count that as Trump +1 in your tally though). If we start getting favorable results like the hand recount in Georgia showing large differences or other legal victories, bump that up to 80%.
Trump will do it. Proving one instance of systematic fraud in one state is enough to disqualify the Democratic Party.
I've had a ~$450 bet placed on that since October 28. 2.45 odds :)
My guess is that Trump will make deals and find a way to stay in the Presidency via the House of Representatives deciding the election.
I base this on the fact that Trump's team has already found unprecedented levels of fraud and has openly discussed it. I think this will be enough to force Republican state legislatures to not certify the results in certain swing states.
I have not given up hope yet.
It is already darkest before the Don rises once again.
Trump.
Evidence of fraud is undeniable at this point. Republicans are fired up like nothing I've ever seen before. FIRED. UP. I'm talking about Trump Republicans, of course. The base. Not the untrustworthy suits holding daggers behind him.
With the confidence exhibited by Trump senior officials, they seem to be playing this game with a strong hand. I don't think it's a bluff, and none of the base is going to care if the media disagrees. Trump has an extremely high popularity among Republican voters and they are not going to accept a bogus election no matter how the media tries to frame it.
And if Trump has the goods to show that the election is fouled as it appears, the Dems can cry but they aren't going to be able to ignore it.
I believe Trump won the election, but the fraud is going to put Biden in the office. I expect the media to not report on it, normies to be clueless and indoctrinated, Republicans to cuck out, left wing judges to vehemently rule against Trump because orange man bad and right wing judges to cuck similarly to Republicans. I expect things to get much, much worse over the next decade.
I don't actually have much trouble believing it.
I have more trouble believing that Joe Biden crushed Obama's 2008 vote totals. It's entirely possible that the left has just been so brainwashed and deranged that they truly believed that they must get out and vote Hitler out of office ... but I doubt it. The media is awful, and the left is fucking stupid, but the media isn't that effective, and the left isn't that fucking stupid.
That said, I'm going to assume that Biden takes office because no judge will want to be perceived as influencing the election.
My gut still says Trump, so I will vote that way. I'm not at all confident in that though. I do think many/all of these court cases will be won. Where I get uncomfortable is in what the court decides to do to remedy the damages. I have zero faith in them taking a hard stance against the left, and really just expect them to order recounts or something of that nature and calling it a day after that.
Since this is an American election, both my dead grandparents vote Biden though.
I do not think he will get a second term. I'm a pessimist that has become increasingly black pilled.
It's unclear exactly what you mean by "prove through the court", but I predict the supreme court won't do much. They tend to take the position that once something's done, it doesn't matter how fucked up it was, it's too late now. So the correct time to legally challenge a vote obviously isn't before it happens because it hasn't happened yet, and after it's happened it's too late (especially if the counters destroy evidence while they're counting, like by throwing out envelopes or interfering with observers), and while it's happening you have way too small a window to collect evidence and get a case through the courts. The American voting system is basically unaccountable.
I think life always turns out different from what you expect.. So I think Trump won't be in office, but neither will Biden be. It will be a mess
Biden on the 21st, but Harris by Independence Day.
Biden is a Dead Man Walking.
Trump
no. because the law forces you to have a very strict deadline after the election to prove fraud or other stuff. Audits or recounting must end before 17 nov. nomination of canditates 8 dec. election of president 14 dec.
basically law prioritize a president to sit on the chair than discover if vote fraud occurred. because if fraud is proven later they have mean to remove the president. so is quite hard for Trump to do it even if he is right.
Sounds about right, I'd say Trump's chances of pulling off a judicial upset are about 1 in 4.
I’m still certain “Biden” will be in office on the 21st and that it will end there.
The court will put the “state of the Union” first and all evidence of fraud will be buried and will be an “alt-right conspiracy theory”
Discussing it will become against TOS of any and all accepted platform, while they continue to destroy all alternatives.
All elections will go to whoever can print the most votes.
All measures for increasing election security will be dismissed as racist and trying to “suppress minority voters”
The American right will follow the trends and cuck out giving an inch every time the left asks for anything.
Eventually that will include scrapping the constitution and rewriting it.
The right won’t fight back.
You favor the Orwellian outcome, eh?
I predict the civil war won't happen because neither side will actually drive over to the other sides area. However, I suspect riots will continue until a truckers strike.
I think it's interesting that the Left is trying to set up a win win argument. Either they won, or Trump stole their election. That's a really new thing for them, and shows they are starting to think things through and use some of Trump's tactics in situations. Will it work? That depends on the response by the people of the country.
I claim that Biden will be the one in the seat come Jan 21st.
But i am notoriously bad at predictions.