Nazism: Killed as many as 11 million people (Some debate. Saying it's lower than 20 million raises eyebrows and putting it below 5 million tops gets you Shoah'd. Logistically, it's probably more like 1 million, but let's take liberal estimates for the sake of argument)
Communism: Has killed at least 100 million people in famines and suppressions in major regimes and many minor regimes have killed almost ten times that by adopting communistic principles like central banking, excessive regulation, and suppression of dissent.
Even overestimating the nigsocs and underestimating communigs, we end up with a difference of two orders of magnitude.
And don't you ask about the death toll of socialism in general, oh boy.
Well both systems make little economic sense, and both are exceedingly big-government, so they both kill the ingroup by denying voluntary trade and entrepreneurial innovation.
I think the difference is Communism has a direct and complete domineering hand over the means of production, whilst Nazism had an indirect hand over the means of production. I think Nazis allowed some market freedom but had a hand in it to make sure it "worked for the benefit of the state"
Not only is there more deaths under communism but the oppression, cultureless-ness and soullessness of communism is also the worst ever seen in any system in history.
Nah, Nazism is definitely worse than communism. Hitler's wars of aggression killed tens of millions of people, and that's ignoring his wars on the Jews, the Catholic Church, etc.
The General Plan for the East also envisioned letting tens of millions of Slavs in the east die, far more than would die under communist domination between 1945 and 1989/91. In other words: far fewer people died because Nazism was defeated by the Communists than would have.
Even if I take your ridiculous estimate of 11 million and 100 million (which is closer to the mark) for Nazis and communists respectively: one Nazi regime killed 11 million in 12 years, while numerous different communist regimes killed 100 million in 74 years. Nazis still come out ahead.
If you adopt the correct death count, Nazis come out way ahead. (In part because communism got the chance to moderate from the terrors of Stalin and Nazism never did. If Nazis had survived to their day, they may well have mellowed out and have become relatively benign.)
And it really IS no contest. The nazis killed 6 million in camps and the like. That pales in comparison to what the soviets did, and practically vanishes from the scale next to Mao. If Pol Pot had presided over a more populous region, he would reign supreme - dude wiped out a quarter of his own people.
Pinochet is the Posterboy for post-WW2 fascism, and his kill count is in the thousands. Practically a pacifist compared to the communists.
But because some communists won some wars we're expected to pretend they're not mass murdering psychos.
Let's also not forget that the radical leftists were whining about South Africa, which was the best place to live in sub-Saharan Africa even for blacks, as many of these massacres were happening.
Sure, Apartheid was bad, but slave labor camps and starvation is a bit worse.
They killed maybe a million at most across half a decade, and much of that number comes later in the war as the situation grew desperate and supply lines were destroyed.
Even going by the numbers that the camp authorities themselves today use it doesn't breach 2 million.
They killed maybe a million at most across half a decade, and much of that number comes later in the war as the situation grew desperate and supply lines were destroyed.
That's wrong by every measurement, including the mass graves scattered across all of Europe, including Romania.
Even going by the numbers that the camp authorities themselves today use it doesn't breach 2 million.
Your thinking of just Auschwitz. The number has since been reduced to somewhere closer to a little over a million for just Auschwitz. The Camp Commandant said that the 3 million Soviet Figure was possible in total deaths, but that executions would have been closer to 2.5. He backtracked and said 2.5 would be too high given the maintenance and logistical needs. Current estimates have revised that figure lower (which is the opposite of the claim by holocaust deniers) and analysis suggest that total deaths at Auschwitz were somewhere over a million.
Which is why Leftists shouldn't act so surprised when Trump has support. They'd be shocked at the number of right-wing people that they know, but had never known, because only one of the two statements "I love Joseph Stalin" or "I love President Donald Trump" can be communicated without your life being ruined.
It's hopeless, really. Google (and most likely the CIA by extension) knows the poltical opinions and sexual tastes of just about everyone on the fucking planet.
If totalitarianism comes to the US, they already know exactly who they're going to murder.
At least you're noticing that, too. Yeah, that's the whole point of technology; it helps a creature to get around its physical (and mental) limitations, sure, but it can also transform the world, literally. Everything from bulldozers (which are simply better at doing physical work than a mob of humans) to communications technologies (which may one day break actual communication barriers with other species.)
Humans are a technological animal. It's a mistake to say that it's a generalist - dietary-wise, sure, but a lot of critters have turned out to not be "strict" this or that-eaters lately, too - but behaviourally, it's addicted to its own technology, having long ago fallen into an ever-tightening spiral of dependency. The better and more widespread technology gets, the more Man depends on it just to exist. It's great, but it also has its downsides that go beyond environmental changes.
It also gives Man a kind of feeling of power and, yes, superiority. Especially since the beginning of the modern Industrial Age, and the ramping up of the pace of technological improvement during the Victorian era, Man's thinking didn't become less "magical" than it was before, but that magical thinking got transferred to tech, and humans figure that anything they envision can become reality.
Humans have always believed that the Earth was made just for themselves. Even when it comes to better knowledge leading to better understanding that humans are just one species amongst many on this planet, and their fellow animals are not "mindless automatons" here to be servants (any more than black niggers were put here to serve whites), their minds rebel, and they want the world to be the way they always wanted it to be - a human-oriented "utopia" where humans just sit around and smell each other's farts and gigglenwank or some shit, as far as I can tell.
It's a global issue sadly. America is actually in a better positions than many countries, due to a history of anti Marxism. In Ireland our president is a fully blown Marxist whose praised all sorts of Marxist tyrants, which of course the media never mentions. Last year our national postal service thought it wise to make a special edition Che Guevara stamp, which resulted in pretty much no backlash from the media again. Our "freedom fighters" have a long history of also being Marxists, which certainly doesn't help. So on the surface Marxism is very much supported here, or at least not resisted against in any sort of serious way, which means if the beast does eventually arrive here is a serious sense, there will be little resistance.
I agree. It's a very strange state of affairs in the US, but it's mostly online or in blue cities, otherwise you'll be able to find plenty of Trump people.
Honestly I'd take Nazis over Communists any day. It's not even a contest.
Nazism: Killed as many as 11 million people (Some debate. Saying it's lower than 20 million raises eyebrows and putting it below 5 million tops gets you Shoah'd. Logistically, it's probably more like 1 million, but let's take liberal estimates for the sake of argument)
Communism: Has killed at least 100 million people in famines and suppressions in major regimes and many minor regimes have killed almost ten times that by adopting communistic principles like central banking, excessive regulation, and suppression of dissent.
Even overestimating the nigsocs and underestimating communigs, we end up with a difference of two orders of magnitude.
And don't you ask about the death toll of socialism in general, oh boy.
Nazism: Kills the out-group
Communism: Kills almost indiscriminately
Well both systems make little economic sense, and both are exceedingly big-government, so they both kill the ingroup by denying voluntary trade and entrepreneurial innovation.
I think the difference is Communism has a direct and complete domineering hand over the means of production, whilst Nazism had an indirect hand over the means of production. I think Nazis allowed some market freedom but had a hand in it to make sure it "worked for the benefit of the state"
Which is pretty much the system the Chinese seem to have today, really.
Oh, and Nazis had a reputation for politeness, at least. Communists are rude as fuck.
That's just Chinese people in general.
is it? im pretty sure the commies in america are very rude as well. Or the commies in other countries too.
Communism: Finds a new out-group whenever they finish killing off the last one.
Nazis might have done the same thing mind you, but they weren't in power for very long.
Not only is there more deaths under communism but the oppression, cultureless-ness and soullessness of communism is also the worst ever seen in any system in history.
Nah, Nazism is definitely worse than communism. Hitler's wars of aggression killed tens of millions of people, and that's ignoring his wars on the Jews, the Catholic Church, etc.
The General Plan for the East also envisioned letting tens of millions of Slavs in the east die, far more than would die under communist domination between 1945 and 1989/91. In other words: far fewer people died because Nazism was defeated by the Communists than would have.
Even if I take your ridiculous estimate of 11 million and 100 million (which is closer to the mark) for Nazis and communists respectively: one Nazi regime killed 11 million in 12 years, while numerous different communist regimes killed 100 million in 74 years. Nazis still come out ahead.
If you adopt the correct death count, Nazis come out way ahead. (In part because communism got the chance to moderate from the terrors of Stalin and Nazism never did. If Nazis had survived to their day, they may well have mellowed out and have become relatively benign.)
So you think it's irrelevant for how long these regimes were in power? Surely not. How can you justify comparing 74 years to 12 years?
And it really IS no contest. The nazis killed 6 million in camps and the like. That pales in comparison to what the soviets did, and practically vanishes from the scale next to Mao. If Pol Pot had presided over a more populous region, he would reign supreme - dude wiped out a quarter of his own people.
Pinochet is the Posterboy for post-WW2 fascism, and his kill count is in the thousands. Practically a pacifist compared to the communists.
But because some communists won some wars we're expected to pretend they're not mass murdering psychos.
Let's also not forget that the radical leftists were whining about South Africa, which was the best place to live in sub-Saharan Africa even for blacks, as many of these massacres were happening.
Sure, Apartheid was bad, but slave labor camps and starvation is a bit worse.
They killed 11 million. 6 were just Jews.
Still beaten by the commie high scores.
They killed maybe a million at most across half a decade, and much of that number comes later in the war as the situation grew desperate and supply lines were destroyed.
Even going by the numbers that the camp authorities themselves today use it doesn't breach 2 million.
That's wrong by every measurement, including the mass graves scattered across all of Europe, including Romania.
Your thinking of just Auschwitz. The number has since been reduced to somewhere closer to a little over a million for just Auschwitz. The Camp Commandant said that the 3 million Soviet Figure was possible in total deaths, but that executions would have been closer to 2.5. He backtracked and said 2.5 would be too high given the maintenance and logistical needs. Current estimates have revised that figure lower (which is the opposite of the claim by holocaust deniers) and analysis suggest that total deaths at Auschwitz were somewhere over a million.
Apparently Antonio disagrees. Told you guys he's fucking retarded.
Nah he's just got skin in the game.
Asking a Jew not to exaggerate the holocaust is like asking a child not to overeat Halloween candy.
Good fucking luck.
He's always been controlled opposition and/or a faggot.
The good thing is that, despite what they tell you, those aren't actually the only options.
Nazis would have eradicated billions of non-whites if they won WW2, so I disagree. White people would be fine but what about the rest of us?
Just as bad? Fuck no. It's goddamn WORSE.
Which is why Leftists shouldn't act so surprised when Trump has support. They'd be shocked at the number of right-wing people that they know, but had never known, because only one of the two statements "I love Joseph Stalin" or "I love President Donald Trump" can be communicated without your life being ruined.
True. This is why if someone with my name, party affiliation, address, and phone number were to call me to conduct a poll, I'd probably just hang up.
It's hopeless, really. Google (and most likely the CIA by extension) knows the poltical opinions and sexual tastes of just about everyone on the fucking planet.
If totalitarianism comes to the US, they already know exactly who they're going to murder.
Communists are worse than Nazis. .
At least you're noticing that, too. Yeah, that's the whole point of technology; it helps a creature to get around its physical (and mental) limitations, sure, but it can also transform the world, literally. Everything from bulldozers (which are simply better at doing physical work than a mob of humans) to communications technologies (which may one day break actual communication barriers with other species.)
Humans are a technological animal. It's a mistake to say that it's a generalist - dietary-wise, sure, but a lot of critters have turned out to not be "strict" this or that-eaters lately, too - but behaviourally, it's addicted to its own technology, having long ago fallen into an ever-tightening spiral of dependency. The better and more widespread technology gets, the more Man depends on it just to exist. It's great, but it also has its downsides that go beyond environmental changes.
It also gives Man a kind of feeling of power and, yes, superiority. Especially since the beginning of the modern Industrial Age, and the ramping up of the pace of technological improvement during the Victorian era, Man's thinking didn't become less "magical" than it was before, but that magical thinking got transferred to tech, and humans figure that anything they envision can become reality.
Humans have always believed that the Earth was made just for themselves. Even when it comes to better knowledge leading to better understanding that humans are just one species amongst many on this planet, and their fellow animals are not "mindless automatons" here to be servants (any more than black niggers were put here to serve whites), their minds rebel, and they want the world to be the way they always wanted it to be - a human-oriented "utopia" where humans just sit around and smell each other's farts and gigglenwank or some shit, as far as I can tell.
TBH I think you could change that to "Stalinist" and it'd still be valid.
It's a global issue sadly. America is actually in a better positions than many countries, due to a history of anti Marxism. In Ireland our president is a fully blown Marxist whose praised all sorts of Marxist tyrants, which of course the media never mentions. Last year our national postal service thought it wise to make a special edition Che Guevara stamp, which resulted in pretty much no backlash from the media again. Our "freedom fighters" have a long history of also being Marxists, which certainly doesn't help. So on the surface Marxism is very much supported here, or at least not resisted against in any sort of serious way, which means if the beast does eventually arrive here is a serious sense, there will be little resistance.
Europe is so far gone that in retrospect, it would have been far better for the Third Reich to have won in WW2 than for the Allies to have won.
At least the USSR would have been destroyed in the process.
They're also much more common on university campus.
I agree. It's a very strange state of affairs in the US, but it's mostly online or in blue cities, otherwise you'll be able to find plenty of Trump people.
Honestly fuck 'em all. Nazis, Communists and Fascists are all different offshoots of Socialism.
Give me a Democratic or Republican government with enumerated rights.
They are both evil and should be shunned