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Random Thought: It's more socially acceptable to be a Marxist than to be a Trump supporter.
posted 5 years ago by DarthXenon66 5 years ago by DarthXenon66 +69 / -0

Saying "I am a Marxist" is just as bad as saying "I am a Nazi": Change My Mind

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– Voluntaryism 20 points 5 years ago +20 / -0

Nazism: Killed as many as 11 million people (Some debate. Saying it's lower than 20 million raises eyebrows and putting it below 5 million tops gets you Shoah'd. Logistically, it's probably more like 1 million, but let's take liberal estimates for the sake of argument)

Communism: Has killed at least 100 million people in famines and suppressions in major regimes and many minor regimes have killed almost ten times that by adopting communistic principles like central banking, excessive regulation, and suppression of dissent.

Even overestimating the nigsocs and underestimating communigs, we end up with a difference of two orders of magnitude.

And don't you ask about the death toll of socialism in general, oh boy.

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– persiaprince 28 points 5 years ago +28 / -0

Nazism: Kills the out-group

Communism: Kills almost indiscriminately

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– Voluntaryism 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Well both systems make little economic sense, and both are exceedingly big-government, so they both kill the ingroup by denying voluntary trade and entrepreneurial innovation.

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– yoisi 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

I think the difference is Communism has a direct and complete domineering hand over the means of production, whilst Nazism had an indirect hand over the means of production. I think Nazis allowed some market freedom but had a hand in it to make sure it "worked for the benefit of the state"

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– Knife-TotingRat 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Which is pretty much the system the Chinese seem to have today, really.

Oh, and Nazis had a reputation for politeness, at least. Communists are rude as fuck.

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– VerGreeneyes 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Communism: Finds a new out-group whenever they finish killing off the last one.

Nazis might have done the same thing mind you, but they weren't in power for very long.

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– yoisi 22 points 5 years ago +22 / -0

Not only is there more deaths under communism but the oppression, cultureless-ness and soullessness of communism is also the worst ever seen in any system in history.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Nah, Nazism is definitely worse than communism. Hitler's wars of aggression killed tens of millions of people, and that's ignoring his wars on the Jews, the Catholic Church, etc.

The General Plan for the East also envisioned letting tens of millions of Slavs in the east die, far more than would die under communist domination between 1945 and 1989/91. In other words: far fewer people died because Nazism was defeated by the Communists than would have.

Even if I take your ridiculous estimate of 11 million and 100 million (which is closer to the mark) for Nazis and communists respectively: one Nazi regime killed 11 million in 12 years, while numerous different communist regimes killed 100 million in 74 years. Nazis still come out ahead.

If you adopt the correct death count, Nazis come out way ahead. (In part because communism got the chance to moderate from the terrors of Stalin and Nazism never did. If Nazis had survived to their day, they may well have mellowed out and have become relatively benign.)

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– deleted 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

So you think it's irrelevant for how long these regimes were in power? Surely not. How can you justify comparing 74 years to 12 years?

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– deleted 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

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