Saying "I am a Marxist" is just as bad as saying "I am a Nazi": Change My Mind
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Honestly I'd take Nazis over Communists any day. It's not even a contest.
Nazism: Killed as many as 11 million people (Some debate. Saying it's lower than 20 million raises eyebrows and putting it below 5 million tops gets you Shoah'd. Logistically, it's probably more like 1 million, but let's take liberal estimates for the sake of argument)
Communism: Has killed at least 100 million people in famines and suppressions in major regimes and many minor regimes have killed almost ten times that by adopting communistic principles like central banking, excessive regulation, and suppression of dissent.
Even overestimating the nigsocs and underestimating communigs, we end up with a difference of two orders of magnitude.
And don't you ask about the death toll of socialism in general, oh boy.
Nazism: Kills the out-group
Communism: Kills almost indiscriminately
Well both systems make little economic sense, and both are exceedingly big-government, so they both kill the ingroup by denying voluntary trade and entrepreneurial innovation.
I think the difference is Communism has a direct and complete domineering hand over the means of production, whilst Nazism had an indirect hand over the means of production. I think Nazis allowed some market freedom but had a hand in it to make sure it "worked for the benefit of the state"
Communism: Finds a new out-group whenever they finish killing off the last one.
Nazis might have done the same thing mind you, but they weren't in power for very long.
Not only is there more deaths under communism but the oppression, cultureless-ness and soullessness of communism is also the worst ever seen in any system in history.
Nah, Nazism is definitely worse than communism. Hitler's wars of aggression killed tens of millions of people, and that's ignoring his wars on the Jews, the Catholic Church, etc.
The General Plan for the East also envisioned letting tens of millions of Slavs in the east die, far more than would die under communist domination between 1945 and 1989/91. In other words: far fewer people died because Nazism was defeated by the Communists than would have.
Even if I take your ridiculous estimate of 11 million and 100 million (which is closer to the mark) for Nazis and communists respectively: one Nazi regime killed 11 million in 12 years, while numerous different communist regimes killed 100 million in 74 years. Nazis still come out ahead.
If you adopt the correct death count, Nazis come out way ahead. (In part because communism got the chance to moderate from the terrors of Stalin and Nazism never did. If Nazis had survived to their day, they may well have mellowed out and have become relatively benign.)
So you think it's irrelevant for how long these regimes were in power? Surely not. How can you justify comparing 74 years to 12 years?
And it really IS no contest. The nazis killed 6 million in camps and the like. That pales in comparison to what the soviets did, and practically vanishes from the scale next to Mao. If Pol Pot had presided over a more populous region, he would reign supreme - dude wiped out a quarter of his own people.
Pinochet is the Posterboy for post-WW2 fascism, and his kill count is in the thousands. Practically a pacifist compared to the communists.
But because some communists won some wars we're expected to pretend they're not mass murdering psychos.
Let's also not forget that the radical leftists were whining about South Africa, which was the best place to live in sub-Saharan Africa even for blacks, as many of these massacres were happening.
Sure, Apartheid was bad, but slave labor camps and starvation is a bit worse.
They killed 11 million. 6 were just Jews.
Still beaten by the commie high scores.
They killed maybe a million at most across half a decade, and much of that number comes later in the war as the situation grew desperate and supply lines were destroyed.
Even going by the numbers that the camp authorities themselves today use it doesn't breach 2 million.
That's wrong by every measurement, including the mass graves scattered across all of Europe, including Romania.
Your thinking of just Auschwitz. The number has since been reduced to somewhere closer to a little over a million for just Auschwitz. The Camp Commandant said that the 3 million Soviet Figure was possible in total deaths, but that executions would have been closer to 2.5. He backtracked and said 2.5 would be too high given the maintenance and logistical needs. Current estimates have revised that figure lower (which is the opposite of the claim by holocaust deniers) and analysis suggest that total deaths at Auschwitz were somewhere over a million.
Apparently Antonio disagrees. Told you guys he's fucking retarded.
Nah he's just got skin in the game.
Asking a Jew not to exaggerate the holocaust is like asking a child not to overeat Halloween candy.
Good fucking luck.
He's always been controlled opposition and/or a faggot.
They're both in my "I would have to fight for my life" tier, so I can't really rank one over the other.