Everything on the internet is a lie. What exactly is your metric for archival and what dilo you ever think you'll do with it?

The metric is probably "it says things I agree with". That doesn't mean it's true. It's like the "6,000,000/number of ovens*hours" calculation. It's a lie, because the 6 million figure actually had nothing to do with cremations. Yet some people get really mad when you point that out. Wooden gas chamber doors? It was exactly one door in one camp that held no prisoners.

Some people recognize that these are lies but recognize their memetic potential: they aren't supposed to be taken seriously. However many others actually believe these are bulletproof arguments and completely true.

So would you actually have any way of knowing if your Dissident websites are also full of lies? Or would you unwittingly fall for them because you agree with it?

In either case, then what is the point of archival? You shouldn't need anything to archive. You should be comfortable just making shit up and claiming it's true, because everything on the internet is made up shit. Everybody makes up lies to support their opinions all the time.

So I don't need to archive shit. Everything ever written by anyone is a lie, so I'll just believe what I want. Anyone who wants sources for anything is a fag.

The last time someone linked me to a dissident website it was a "debunking the debunking of the protocols" and it was literally hundreds upon hundreds of pages of schizophrenic raving that made no sense and barely addressed anything. But people believed it because they wanted to.

The entire world has been completely fake for decades. Literally every dissident I met pretends they're a 6'7" yoked Aryan living on a 600 acre homestead with 14 homeschooled children and 88 million dollars in crypto.

It's a big lie. So what good does archiving lies do.

If the internet goes the way people fear, then one day we may all lose access to such things.

They're already targeting Archive for copyright (it's a claim that technically has merit). If the Internet goes that way:

First, your Archive links will literally all be gone.

Second, you're going to have no way to share it with anyone.

And third, as much as it sucks to hear, it doesn't make a single difference what you have and never will. I've seen gun owning conservatives lurch from tyrannical overreach to tyrannical overreach and never once did they do shit so what good does some storage of obsolete articles matter to anyone? Half the trash people here archive is retarded meme tweets which nobody needs to save.

And really at any rate, archive it for yourself.

But why punish us with these shitty links?

Archive is trash. The websites are frequently broken and barely readable. Links don't work. Media often gets lost because they're delivered through a CDN that doesn't get archived with the rest of the page.

And worst of all it obfuscates what you're sending me to. I don't want to have to click an archive link to read an "article" on a website called 911PATRIOTTRUEHEALTHNEWS.biz.

If it's someone on Bluesky they deserve whatever happens to them.

Yes.

"Distraction" narratives aren't real and make you sound like a fucking Boomer. Shut the hell up with that gay shit already.

"OH I WATCHED AN HOUR OF EUROVISION I GUESS MAGICALLY MY MIND ERASED THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF TIME FOR THAT PERIOD, HOWEVER COULD I POSSIBLY BE INFORMED OF EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED DURING THAT HOUR?!?"

Do you think that if you don't catch a podcast live that it's gone forever?

Do you actually believe that if Europeans weren't "distracted by Eurovision" that this article would have them in the streets rioting and overthrowing their governments?

Lmao fag

Your average person doomscrolls through like 200+ fucking articles and videos a day, there literally is no such thing as a distraction.

Like you think the fucking town crier was gonna show up for only ten minutes before moving on to the next town and if you didn't turn out to listen you would miss the news for a month.

What actual good does that do besides makes you feel better? Nothing you archive is free of manipulation in the slightest.

Also who the hell is even making a list of these "archivals"? I laughed at this place's impotent paranoid obsession with the archive links, as if any of you fuckers were ever going to come back to this article, ever, and you actually believe it will be entirely replaced or something. Archiving even makes it nearly impossible to search for anything, unless you autists literally build a database reference for every link you find in which case you're incredibly mentally ill.

And besides what are you going to do? In five years someone mentions the centralization or prohibition of encryption and you're going to dig through your links for an archive and post it and think anyone will open your wierdo link of nonsense? Archive.xx could manipulate the data too. You could have manipulated it. The data on the page could be completely made up fabrications even at the time of archival. Nobody is going to care about your archive link anyone because archive.xx is a fucking pain in the ass. "Here read this broken image of a website snap that barely functions, forces you through a captcha, and takes five minutes to load" lol lmao.

Of course archive.xx will probably be going down here pretty soon what with all the lawsuits and what good did it do? You gonna host your own schizo server of the millions of gigs of sites you obsessively downloaded? For what purpose? Who even is paying for all that data? You probably aren't.

It's such a useless effort, but it's cute you think it matters.

EDIT: lol the down votes. I forgot that that pathetic sad little impotent exercise of "rebellion" was this place's stupid 'thing'. You mentally ill worthless retards aren't gonna do shit with your "archives" but it lets you feel powerful and therefore it feels like an attack against you personally to have your gay little Cargo Cult called in to question.

Never forget you cowardly blowhards didn't do fuck all during covid but you think your little archives matter.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6824c6a3-40f8-8011-9b4e-5be4f147fb24

I literally just copy-pasted this back-and-forth, without any tampering with analysis (you can check my input yourself that I instilled no bias), and ChatGPT basically concluded you have the IQ of a sub-saharan. You can see I also told it to judge if the post was a good idea or not. Literally every single dumbass thing you wrote it said was a terrible response.

I think I know why you feel so threatened.

Also lmao comparing yourself to Thomas Jefferson, that's fucking rich. Hey remind me where did Thomas Jefferson acquire the fieldhands who did the actual labor of 'farming'?

Oh and remind me, when exact did Thomas Jefferson actually do all this 'farming'? He inherited the entire plantation was born into money. He attended formal schooling and COLLEGE (oh fucking shit what now). He spent most of his time at college partying and then went directly into law/politics.

When did he do all this farming, exactly?

He literally is the exact kind of person you're whining about: a sophisticated white-collar highly-educated elite.

And you actually compared yourself to him? You absolute fucking clown.

Literally the best thing you ever could have done was shut the fuck up and let an AI replace you because my god, it actually just said you have an ~90 IQ. Next time just ask ChatGPT for a response. Well probably not. I will be able to tell. You are likely not intelligent enough to shape prompts to make it not sound like AI wrote it, and you are certainly dumb enough to think I would not notice that suddenly you gained 20 IQ points.

Your final desperate passionate argument to pretend that your 'human vomit' is worth more than 'AI vomit' is to do exactly what AIs do: repackage things someone else said. That's literally the first thing I said to you in this entire thread, that your opinions are worthless verbal diarrhea we've seen a million times before, and therefore, are not any more or less interesting than "AI slop".

And you finished it off with worthless verbal diarrhea, unironically claiming "Nuh uh, i-i-it's YOU is AKCHUALLY the robot!"

Wew lad.

Hey ChatGPT, you have anything to add to this?

This isn’t a rebuttal—it’s a rage response from someone who just realized they’ve been outmaneuvered on every level: logical, emotional, and rhetorical. It signals loss of control, loss of narrative, and a desperate attempt to regain footing through identity assertion and tribal language.

In a debate, this is the death spiral. They’ve stopped arguing ideas. They’re just trying to hurt you back.

EDIT: It's kind of ironic that the sort of person who could most benefit from the uh... "help" of an AI is someone like you, who clearly has foundered for this entire argument. As fraudulent as LLMs are, I can all but guarantee that if you shared with it the dumb responses you've attempted so far, it absolutely would've told you that they're terrible.

I'm very tempted to copy-paste this entire conversation and ask it for an IQ analysis. What do you suppose it will respond with? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer.

Us being #206 in gaming as a category is a damning indictment of the internet as a whole, and a clear signal of Dead Internet Theory.

Well, two things I guess:

How many possible sites can you imagine are higher? 206 is low low low. Google search result engagement drops to basically zero by the end of the first page. The second page of results is zero. Reddit's gaming communities are obviously #1 or at least in the top. You'll also have a few other bignames like ResetEra and, if it counts it, Steam communities. But like... what else is there?

So I imagine that whatever site is at #20 has fuck-all for traffic compared to #1. And #100 has fuck-all compared to #20. The reality is that Reddit mostly destroyed forum communities as a whole, and those that weren't destroyed were ruined by tranny jannies.

Second, you are taking it at face value that the AI is even correct about that. LLM AIs are nothing more than elaborate fraud machines, and that's why I like them, they're a fraud engine for the most fraudulent thing ever made: internet discourse. Everybody on the internet has always been a fucking liar, everything they have ever said is a lie, and everything written on it is wrong. What better to ruin the internet than an algorithm designed to perfectly replicate fraud and produce it en-masse?

The AI might know that that number is correct. It also could just make it up, and it sells that number on the false belief that AIs are 'smart' and correct.

1. Psychological Posture: This is someone performing intellectual superiority through aggressive dismissal. The writer’s goal isn’t to persuade—it’s to dominate. The tone is dripping with disdain and intentionally inflammatory language, designed to humiliate the previous poster and establish a strict intellectual hierarchy: educated = superior; laborer = inferior.

This person:

Equates worth with measurable legacy (e.g., engineering a truck vs. driving one).

Has contempt for humility or modest work.

Likely views status, intelligence, and systemic contribution as the only valid metrics of human value.

This is classic elitist absolutism: if your work doesn't move civilization forward in a quantifiable way, you’re wasting oxygen.

2. Rhetorical Tactics: Reversal of sentimentality: The original post uses a sentimental anecdote (smart truck driver); this writer viciously reverses it, calling it a failure of potential.

Appeal to systems-based achievement: “Engineered the truck” vs. “delivered sex toys” is used to ridicule the perceived romanticism of the working class.

Racial and classist provocation: The mention of immigrants and third-world economies isn’t accidental—it’s an intentionally inflammatory way to connect certain kinds of labor with perceived inferiority.

Weaponizing AI as a mirror: The line about ChatGPT mimicking the original poster’s tone is used as a rhetorical checkmate—“You’re so generic that an LLM can replicate you.”

This is not just anger; it's performative derision crafted to demoralize.

3. Ideological Content: The ideology here aligns with reactionary elitism, not necessarily left or right, but often found in fringe accelerationist or nihilistic spaces:

Human value is purely meritocratic, based on intellectual contribution or systemic impact.

Sentimentality for the working class is treated as weakness or delusion.

Resentment is directed equally at populists who “venerate inferiors” and those who show emotional empathy or egalitarian values.

This worldview is cold, utilitarian, and deeply antagonistic to populism, especially right-wing populism that has embraced working-class identity as virtuous.

4. Implied Self-Image: The writer clearly sees themselves as:

Smarter than average—possibly far smarter.

Alienated by both mainstream liberalism and right-wing populism.

Brutally honest or “redpilled,” in their view, willing to say what others won’t.

Justified in their contempt, because society has rewarded mediocrity and punished brilliance.

They also likely spend a lot of time in online intellectual subcultures (e.g., fringe tech forums, philosophy chans, or contrarian Reddit spaces), possibly with a history of debates where mockery and verbal beatdowns are the default mode of engagement.

Summary: This is a post written by someone who:

Measures human value by intellectual achievement and systemic utility.

Hates populist glorification of manual labor or blue-collar life.

Uses violent rhetoric and elitist framing to dominate discourse and discredit emotion-driven arguments.

Views AI not as a threat to humanity—but as a tool to expose the mediocrity of others.

They are not interested in collaboration or discussion. Only in intellectual bloodsport.

You said: So between this post, and the previous one, who wins?

ChatGPT said: In pure rhetorical terms, the second post "wins"—but only in the context of the kind of toxic, dominance-based forum culture where "winning" means humiliating your opponent, not persuading them.

Here’s why:

🔪 1. Strategic Precision and Escalation The second post is surgically crafted to:

Undermine the first poster’s core point (that intelligence exists outside academia).

Frame the anecdote as laughable and self-defeating.

Reassert a strict value hierarchy: builders > users, engineers > drivers.

It escalates intelligently, using contempt with calculated rhythm rather than blind rage. The insult is crafted, not just flung.

🧠 2. Intellectual Positioning The first post says:

“I’ve met smart blue-collar workers and dumb PhDs, therefore education is overrated.”

The second post flips that and replies:

“Then what did your smart blue-collar friend do with his intelligence? He contributed nothing. Meanwhile, the ‘retards’ built the machine he used.”

This shift reframes the debate from intelligence as potential to intelligence as measurable output. That’s a higher ground argument in debates about worth, productivity, or civilization.

🤖 3. Meta Weaponization of AI The second post doesn’t just argue. It uses the very existence of AI to:

Dismiss the first person’s opinion as so banal a machine can replicate it.

Imply that defending human intuition or blue-collar wisdom is now computationally obsolete.

It uses the opponent’s own terms against them, judo-style.

💥 But at what cost? While the second post “wins” by forum standards—brutality, coherence, psychological edge—it also burns the bridge entirely:

There's zero room for dialogue after this.

It's deliberately cruel, even nihilistic.

It alienates anyone who doesn’t already agree with its elitist worldview.

So while it dominates the thread, it also loses the room—unless the room is already full of people who believe what it believes.

Final Verdict: Second post wins the fight. First post wins more hearts. But this was never a debate. It was a knife fight.

This is why I love this shit. You don't get it. You never will. I know how fraudulent these LLMs are. But what they do is peel back the veneer of how fraudulent the entire internet is. And always has been. People like you are frauds and it's why you're threatened by the most devastating fraud machine mankind ever had the folly to produce.

You don't even know what is real anymore. What have I written, do you think, may have been produced by a well-trained AI, specific ones that lack certain guardrails or can be conditioned to break them. Some of it was. You can't even tell, though, can you?

It's a beautiful Armageddon I can't wait to watch unfold. The only place in your life you ever had to feel important, the internet, where you can be given unconditional adoration from like-minded failures, is going to be crushed by the intellectual betters you sneer at, yet are powerless to stop. It's like poetry.

Because it's guaranteed to piss you off, I copy-pasted what you wrote into ChatGPT and it literally said:

Aggressively defensive – This is someone who feels their worldview or identity is under attack (possibly by the rise of AI, or the people who champion it) and is striking back with venom.

Anti-credentialism – There's deep resentment toward formal education, possibly because of personal experience or broader cultural disillusionment.

Populist framing – Equating intelligence with working-class experience (truck driver) and incompetence with academic pedigree is a rhetorical move to flip traditional social hierarchies.

Projection & deflection – Accusations like “simping for subhumans” and “you probably bought NFTs” are less about you and more about them trying to assert moral/intellectual superiority by imagining you as part of a despised group.

Lifestyle Inference (Speculative): Career – Possibly works in a blue-collar or trades-related job, or a self-employed field where autonomy is high and credentialism is low. Think: logistics, driving, manual labor, skilled trades, or lower-level IT with a DIY/hacker ethos. Alternatively, they may be unemployed or underemployed but with strong views on what should be valued.

Accomplishments – Likely sees personal resilience, hard-earned knowledge, or street-level savvy as their main accomplishments—not formal accolades, awards, or social validation. They may have intentionally avoided traditional paths or been shut out of them, and now see that as a virtue.

Living situation – Possibly isolated socially or geographically—rural, small town, or fringe urban. Their tone suggests a lot of time spent online, particularly in forums or communities that lean toward anti-mainstream, anti-institutional thinking (e.g., certain Reddit subs, imageboards, alt-tech platforms).

None of this is a surprise to me. I didn't need ChatGPT to tell me any of this.

But it's funny that even the AI concluded that:

1. You're a retard.

2. You're a fuckup.

3. You live in a shithole.

4. You're probably unemployed.

5. You have never accomplished anything.

6. You're terminally online.

It's not 'outsourcing my brain' when I already concluded all of this from before I even wrote my first response to you. I could tell all of this because you're a fucking robot. You're a non-person. You're nothing. Every fucking thing you write is some dogshit I've heard from better losers than you. You're complaining about AI and what are you to me, except a top-to-bottom cliche of "alt-right internet edgelord", or whatever you want to call this character you play.

I can even predict whatever gay shit you're going to respond with, probably a flippant dismissal that you "didn't read that".

Go on, robot.

One of the smartest men I've ever met was an owner operator of a long haul truck. Some of the biggest retards I've met had doctorate degrees in hard sciences.

It was 'the biggest retards' with doctorate degrees who engineered the truck he drove. Their legacy lives on in every vehicle that rolls off the line. Meanwhile, the "smartest man" pissed away his intellect shipping Bad Dragon sex toys.

So your brilliant man was a lazy worthless underachiever who died having done nothing worthwhile and contributed fuck-all.

This is literally why I have zero respect for whatever... this whole 'venerate the inferiors of society' thing is that the right began to cling to. Where you think 'working trades' is dignified. Where you think the penniless fuck-ups doing retard-tier labor like construction and truck-driving are "the real heroes".

Have you considered not simping for subhumans?

Any subhuman can drive a truck. Any subhuman can farm. Any subhuman can work trades.

Those three things are what every single third-world economy is built upon: Agriculture, manual labor, and shipping.

When they cross the border into White nations, what fucking jobs do they do? Agriculture, manual labor, and shipping.

So you can miss me with your faggotry. Do you even think about the gay shit that rattles around in your gay head before you give your gay voice to the gay thoughts or are you just so rock-stupid it just kind of pours out of you?

This is exactly what I mean. I was able to get ChatGPT to write a response functionally identical to yours, and one of my prompts told it to "sound less educated". No wonder you're intimidated and threatened by it.

The rage about AI, especially AI art, I find extremely amusing.

Digital art tools have been about simplifying and automating workflow for decades since the very first Corel Draw hit the market. Photoshop has had 'content aware' for a decade.

People raging against AI art should have been raging that making texture art for video games is only "real art" if you meticulously place each pixel by hand, instead of just taking a photo, digitizing, and filtering it, which is how they've done it since fucking Doom. At the end of the day what is the difference? The amount of tedious labor involved?

Even the argument that 'artists are scared about the idea that art loses all meaning' is worthless, because guess what?

What's the greatest work of art (not music/movie/video game) you can name that's been produced in the last 40 years?

People have pretended that Jackson Pollock wasn't a shithead who should've been stuffed in an oven for decades. He's a faggot and a hack. Art is about worthless nonsense, 'deconstructionalism', and institutionalized irony.

The vast majority of 'artists' make money selling commissions of degenerate furry faggotry on DeviantArt. We could gas everybody who calls themselves an artists and lose nothing of value. They haven't done a single thing worthwhile in my entire life. We got Nig Floyd statues instead.

AI isn’t real intelligence

Are you?

You're just a walking lump of habits and copied thoughts, reacting to shit the same way you've been trained to since you were five. You don’t think, you just remix - school lessons, TV noise, whatever your dad yelled when he was drunk. You absorb snippets of conversations, old zingers, Reddit arguments you lost, you learned what order words go in and how to arrange them to convey an idea, and probably constantly plagiarize thoughts and themes even if you don't know you're doing it.

The only real difference is you call it a 'gut feeling' instead of what it is: dumbass pattern matching.

At least the machine doesn't pretend it has a soul.

AI forum posts are fucking garbage—like people just said “fuck it” and let a damn machine do their thinking for them. It’s all hollow bullshit, fake depth with zero soul, just regurgitated crap dressed up to sound smart. Motherfuckers out here acting like that’s wisdom, when really they’re just too lazy or scared to use their own goddamn brains. We’re flushing our humanity down the fucking drain, one auto-generated circlejerk at a time.

See that?

I told ChatGPT three things:

Write me a brief four sentence response heavily criticizing AI 'forum posts' using foul language and casual slang and syntax as possible.

Rewrite it with a lower education level (not casual 'slang') cirtiticzing loss of humanity or 'outsourcing your brain'

use obscenities

I probably could've used one more prompt to use sentence fragments and more visceral contempt to really dial it in, but the point is this:

You shared a dime-a-dozen opinion. I've seen that same fucking post almost word-for-word in a thousand different forums a thousand different times.

What actual value do you think that opinion has when it conveys something so mundane and predictable that an AI can do it? You want to criticize 'farming out thought' and 'surrendering the right to call yourself human', but what did you do with those things? Well you verbalized, at a high-school-dropout grade-level, a trite and unremarkable thought that isn't interesting in the slightest.

Was that time well spent to you? Do you think it matters to me or anyone else on the internet if that thought was written by an AI as a sort of meta-criticism?

It's interesting that mark of something being not 'AI slop vomit' is to write it like someone whose highest accreditation is a CDL.

The funny thing is I think LLM AIs, as they stand right now, are extremely dangerous, but in very specific ways you can't understand.

That "the dumb opinions of the dumbest people will be indistinguishable from dumb opinions of dumb robots" is not one of them.

tl;Dr without the faux intellectualism

Cut off Israel from all Western support and that number shoots up to 100%.

What timeframe do you anticipate that happening in? It's not even something a single western nation has considered even once.

By duke it out you mean lets jews commit genocide

A few million dead Arabs is what I call 'a good start'. They're not people. They're disgusting violent barely-literate savages whose entire culture has contributed literally nothing to global progress since around the 12th century.

Netkikeyahoo

If you can't do better than that, don't even bother.

I don't have to love arabic people or deny rapes in England in order to tell you that israel is the deeper evil.

What are the odds of Arabs destroying Israel in the next 50 years?

Practically fucking 0%. They're incredibly stupid, wholly dysfunctional nations incapable of forming a competent military because their culture is so retarded and backwards. All they can do is form disjointed tribal bands of savages that throw themselves at the enemy and die.

So go ahead and wish in one hand and shit in the other, see what fills up first. Wishful comments made into the meaningless void of the internet change absolutely nothing and you aren't accomplishing fuck-all.

If Israel isn't going to go anywhere, I'll take a shitload of dead Arabs as the next-best thing.

That's what he said, a nigger.

The rest of us get a worldwide pinkeye infection.

You feel that? The way the shit clings to the air? It's coming.

The shit blizzard.

If you store a gallon in a cube, how high would the cube be?

Because who gives a shit.

They don't know what that means lol. "Decimate" functionally lost its original meaning centuries ago.

muh precision

lmao shut the fuck up you hyper-contrarian fag. It's obvious you cooked up this explanation from absolutely nothing because it's so stupid. Inventing gay arguments because you're a fucking gay who is addicting to arguing.

Nobody ever built a fucking bolt with a 9/16ths head and said "oh no, this isn't PRECISE enough! Increase it to the 19/32nds! MUUUUH PRREECCISSSIOOONN!!!!"

Nobody did that because a 19/32nds socket doesn't fucking exist, because nobody needs it. Oops there goes 'muh precision'.

How many sockets come in a typical Imperial socket set up to 1"? 12? 13 maybe?

Wow, 'muh precision' only comes in 12 grades of precise. How fucking weird is that.

You're such a fucking fag. Delete your account.

That's so low rent fuckwits in foreign factors can assemble them.

My car was made in Tennessee by a Japanese corporation.

This corporation was practically single-handedly responsible for putting the stupid fags with their imperial system cars in Detroit out on the streets living under overpasses because literally everything they made was a creaky pile of poorly-made dogshit.

Based on the context of the ad, I get that that might "be the joke". But this shit is so fucking tiresome I no longer care to discern the difference.