NYT: “America May Need International Intervention”
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Counter proposal: anyone found to be undermining the sovereignty of the United States should be executed.
I mean if we're pushing overton windows here...
I like the idea of summarily executing commies but dislike the precedent it creates.
You take the good, you take the bad
The problem is that you are setting a precedent that communists will use immediately upon gaining power.
You can't repress leftism enough to win. You must deny it a food source for which to concentrate around. Never create a centralized system powerful enough for them to seize and turn on you.
Is Cambodia not enough of a precedent for you? Which is better 50% of the population dead under a communist rule or 0.04% of the population dead for a "Fascist" dictator like Pinochet? Also note, killing communist is the only way to stop them, you will never out vote them or Stalin would have only ruled for 5 years. You can never ignore them, or we wouldn't be in this situation that America is in right now, which is the result of ignoring them for over 100 years.
Sino, Communist, Democrats, Delenda Est
You both make good points. For me it comes down to: is it possible to cripple the government to a great enough extent to deprive the left of its power when they already have so much momentum? Or is it easier to hijack the machine they've built, take it to its obvious conclusion, and forcefully end the problem? Considering the overwhelming resistance Trump has received from the system I think option two has a greater chance of success. However, if Trump wins, I'm willing to reassess in 4 years.
It's a false dichotomy. You presume that right-wing authoritarianism has succeeded in keeping leftism from power, it hasn't. It's failed in literally almost every case. And yes, Fascism (being a left-wing ideology) is physically incapable of doing anything but laying the groundwork for Leftism to take over once the initial leader dies.
I never said ignore them. I said keep them from having a power structure to seize. Leftists in America weren't ignored, they've been conducting a long march through the institutions that entire time. They've lost ground since Roosevelt, and the only reason for that is because the American system is designed to resist centralization.
The US is one of the only places which leftist haven't dominated because it isn't so easily conquered like every other system is by seizing keystone positions of power.
If that were true, the Soviet Union, China, and Cambodia would all have been right-wing countries in the 40's, 60's, and 70's respectively. They're not because no one kills more Communists than Communists. You can't shoot your way to success against an ideology that exists purely as a state of warfare.
You can't defeat leftism by trying to repress it, you'll just fail and lay the groundwork for their success. Instead you have to keep positions of power from being centralized so that they can't use political power to seize control. The more you use totalitarian tools to shut them down, the more you craft the weapon of your own destruction. The only way is to not make that tool for them because they can't build it for themselves.
Outright false. Even today Chile is the least socialist and most stable country in South America. On the other hand, every part of US life is regulated, and thus socialist.
Cambodia proved that they do not need a preexisting power stucture to massacre people. They can do that when ever they want because the left is NEVER bound by law. The law only applies to people who let it apply to them, thus it only restrains the right.
Also False. Test it and see. Has the NFA gained or lost power? Have environmental regulations increased or decreased? Has Social Security expanded or contracted? What about Medicare and Medicaid? EEOC? IRS?
You win the Dumbest Statement of the Year award. Impressive, considering this is an election year.
In case you are too dense to see why, if a communist kills a communist then there is still a communist left over. On the other hand if say an AnCap kills a communist then there is not a communist left over. The goal is not to get the most kills, (this isn't TDM), the goal is to reduce the number of communist to zero.
Runner up for dumbest statement of the year. The Russian revolution proves this one wrong. Leftist have no problem killing people whenever they want. Just ask Seth Rich.
The US is not a socialist country, and is not nearly as regulated as you are pretending. It's run by Fabian Socialists, but it is not, itself, socialist.
As for Chile, "least socialist" in South America is like saying you're the least Communist person at the Soviet. Pinochet nearly destroyed his economy until he embraced some aspects of Chicago Style economics. The transition from Pinochet has been gradual because of many concerted efforts by socialists to seize power. Currently they're still fighting off leftism, and I suspect they are going to lose considering how much power the "Social Democrats" have.
Right-Wing authoritarianism doesn't keep leftism from power.
Yes, they just need an endless Guerilla war against a Royalist government where they can form completely parallel systems of power because the royalists banned them from operating out in the open. Again, you're just proving my point without understanding it. Leftists will operate in parallel systems if you ban them.
The Corporate Tax rate is no longer 90%. There is no longer an effort to ban private education. Gold & Silver have been re-legalized. Price controls have mostly dropped off. Control over entire industries by a corporate-gov't-union cartel has also been lost in many industries. The NFA has lost significant power since the $200 stamp wasn't adjusted for inflation at any point (Your stamp should cost $3,879.37). On that same note, There is no longer a $213 /hr minimum wage for the cotton industry (that would be $252 /hr minimum wage today). Unions have been dramatically weakened (union membership has decreased, mandatory unions are being challenged). Most of FDR's New Deal programs were reversed.
The US is not fully socialist at this time, under FDR, it damn near was.
And right-wing authoritarianism has almost universally failed at that. The only exception, would basically be Iran, and it's still only a stop gap. If the Iranian regime fails, and none of the other Gulf states subjugate the country, the Leftists will step in.
You can't eliminate leftism when you create leftists through your behavior, and guarantee them a target to aim for.
The Russian revolution proves it right. Again, you're not familiar with the stuff your throwing at me. The Bolsheviks were notorious for causing absolute havoc everywhere they went. Their people were always starving.
Leftism always resorts to parasitism, and when that fails, they resort to plundering. Leftism only survives when it takes a moment to hollow out a space in the Leftist economy to let the private sector and the marketplace attempt to build economic activity. Then, they parasitize that.
Use It or Lose It
Touche.
Key word "sovereignty". Anyone who is working to make the US subservient to an outside power is committing treason.
While I hate commies as much as the next guy, they aren't betraying the US to a foreign power. They are simply burning it down from the inside.
Counter-Counter proposal: we are already having international intervention because all the world's gun companies can barely keep up with American demand at the moment. Anyone not living in the US should be smart enough to just keep selling us weapons and not get anywhere near us.
Fuck off. Take the fucking loss already. Every time a woman loses an election they just pretend she didn't.
She is not the President of anything. If you want to talk about illegitimate leaders, talk about Jacinda Ardern.
Just look at Stacy Abrams, still insisting she's rightful governor of Georgia
Civil War 2 AND World War 3 at the same time? Bring it on.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Dear Santa,
I know you normally give me the coal I deserve, but can you please send an open war against the NYT and Harvard this year? And, could you come a month early?
With Love,
Tent
Guys, should we tell Tent that Santa isn't real and it's more likely that a random hobo is breaking into his house every Christmas and putting coal in his stockings, or nah?
Are you telling me I've been letting a hobo fuck me for coal?
Unfortunately, yes.
Now what happened to the reindeer?
we burn the white house down for a second time
The penalty for sedition is twenty years in prison. Just putting that out there.
... "Oh, no, the national government is turning populist! Quick, subsume it in an entity that will ignore those horrible proles and do what we tell it to do!"
"Signed, the same people who've declared Trump an enemy of democracy"
Populism: Giving the Majority what it wants (famously bad idea, amirite?)
Democracy: Giving the Minority special rights.
--New York Times
Do you want to lose a Civil War? Because this is a good way to lose popular support in a Civil War. There's a song about something like this before, and how it would go. ... How did it go... oh, yeah:
Why come ye hither red coats,
what minds with madness fills?
For there's danger in our forests,
and there's danger in our hills.
Oh, here ye not the ringing
of the bugle wild and free?
For soon you'll hear the ringing
of the rifle from the tree!
For the rifle,
For the rifle,
In our hands,
will prove no trifle.
I used to work in Chicago,
In an old department store,
I used to work in Chicago,
I don't work there anymore,
A blue helmet came in for a saw,
(A saw?)
A saw he wanted,
5-5-6 he did got,
I used to work in Chicago...
Hmmmmmmm.