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NYT: “America May Need International Intervention” (archive.is)
posted 5 years ago by altmehere 5 years ago by altmehere +37 / -0
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– acp_k2win 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

I like the idea of summarily executing commies but dislike the precedent it creates.

You take the good, you take the bad

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– deleted 17 points 5 years ago +17 / -0
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– Gizortnik 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

The problem is that you are setting a precedent that communists will use immediately upon gaining power.

You can't repress leftism enough to win. You must deny it a food source for which to concentrate around. Never create a centralized system powerful enough for them to seize and turn on you.

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– CatoTheElder 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Is Cambodia not enough of a precedent for you? Which is better 50% of the population dead under a communist rule or 0.04% of the population dead for a "Fascist" dictator like Pinochet? Also note, killing communist is the only way to stop them, you will never out vote them or Stalin would have only ruled for 5 years. You can never ignore them, or we wouldn't be in this situation that America is in right now, which is the result of ignoring them for over 100 years.

Sino, Communist, Democrats, Delenda Est

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– persiaprince 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

You both make good points. For me it comes down to: is it possible to cripple the government to a great enough extent to deprive the left of its power when they already have so much momentum? Or is it easier to hijack the machine they've built, take it to its obvious conclusion, and forcefully end the problem? Considering the overwhelming resistance Trump has received from the system I think option two has a greater chance of success. However, if Trump wins, I'm willing to reassess in 4 years.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Which is better 50% of the population dead under a communist rule or 0.04% of the population dead for a "Fascist" dictator like Pinochet?

It's a false dichotomy. You presume that right-wing authoritarianism has succeeded in keeping leftism from power, it hasn't. It's failed in literally almost every case. And yes, Fascism (being a left-wing ideology) is physically incapable of doing anything but laying the groundwork for Leftism to take over once the initial leader dies.

You can never ignore them, or we wouldn't be in this situation that America is in right now, which is the result of ignoring them for over 100 years.

I never said ignore them. I said keep them from having a power structure to seize. Leftists in America weren't ignored, they've been conducting a long march through the institutions that entire time. They've lost ground since Roosevelt, and the only reason for that is because the American system is designed to resist centralization.

The US is one of the only places which leftist haven't dominated because it isn't so easily conquered like every other system is by seizing keystone positions of power.

killing communist is the only way to stop them, you will never out vote them or Stalin would have only ruled for 5 years.

If that were true, the Soviet Union, China, and Cambodia would all have been right-wing countries in the 40's, 60's, and 70's respectively. They're not because no one kills more Communists than Communists. You can't shoot your way to success against an ideology that exists purely as a state of warfare.

You can't defeat leftism by trying to repress it, you'll just fail and lay the groundwork for their success. Instead you have to keep positions of power from being centralized so that they can't use political power to seize control. The more you use totalitarian tools to shut them down, the more you craft the weapon of your own destruction. The only way is to not make that tool for them because they can't build it for themselves.

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– CatoTheElder 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

You presume that right-wing authoritarianism has succeeded in keeping leftism from power, it hasn't.

Outright false. Even today Chile is the least socialist and most stable country in South America. On the other hand, every part of US life is regulated, and thus socialist.

I said keep them from having a power structure to seize.

Cambodia proved that they do not need a preexisting power stucture to massacre people. They can do that when ever they want because the left is NEVER bound by law. The law only applies to people who let it apply to them, thus it only restrains the right.

They've lost ground since Roosevelt,

Also False. Test it and see. Has the NFA gained or lost power? Have environmental regulations increased or decreased? Has Social Security expanded or contracted? What about Medicare and Medicaid? EEOC? IRS?

If that were true, the Soviet Union, China, and Cambodia would all have been right-wing countries in the 40's, 60's, and 70's respectively. They're not because no one kills more Communists than Communists.

You win the Dumbest Statement of the Year award. Impressive, considering this is an election year.
In case you are too dense to see why, if a communist kills a communist then there is still a communist left over. On the other hand if say an AnCap kills a communist then there is not a communist left over. The goal is not to get the most kills, (this isn't TDM), the goal is to reduce the number of communist to zero.

The only way is to not make that tool for them because they can't build it for themselves.

Runner up for dumbest statement of the year. The Russian revolution proves this one wrong. Leftist have no problem killing people whenever they want. Just ask Seth Rich.

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