Don't pay for Plex regardless. Jellyfin is completely free and does pretty much everything. Barely even takes any knowhow to make it accessible from outside your network, too.
I already own it, but I wouldn't have at 750 dollars. When I got it, it was 200 dollars for life, which was reasonable considering it's user friendly and convenient and I had to keep in mind other people in the household who aren't so good with technology.
While Jellyfin is great for being entirely locally run and free, it is pretty inferior in terms of user experience compared to plex. The sorting, metadata, and library functions are stuck in what Plex was doing 6 or 7 years ago.
Yeah jellyfin is great, it has its own quirks and is not quite as good as plex with stuff like metadata.
But i have setup as portable installation meaning i can just copy it to any computer and run it and have the instance running.
If I were running like a media server for friends/family, I would use plex just because it has a better/more intuitive gui, i guess they figure in that situation people will just fork out the money.
But if im just gonna run my own server so i can play shows and track them netflix style then yeah jellyfin the best.
I also wish I had invested in some more hard drives to store media on before fucking prices skyrocketed.
Good advice. Plex is trying to make me pay extra to see high quality videos (I forgot the codec name) but Jellyfin is free to see it. I need to switch over. I’ve always used the free version.
this is what happened to amazon luna recently. I never bought games from this service and I'm on PC. Any games claimed that were part of amazon prime were always linked to the various services like GOG and Epic Games that Amazon Prime gaming partners with. But if you only owned a TV and were reliant on Cloud streaming for gaming, and you bought those games, they're gone now. Technically you still "own" them, but unless you're willing to shell out for a computer to play them on, which a person who only played cloud games wasn't wanting to do in the first place, in all practical sense, they lost games they paid for.
I saw something recently too that I guess Square Enix sold some "cloud" switch games basically as full Switch games at full Switch prices and now they are shutting them down, so you don't even have the game anymore.
Oh I mean I never bought that crap. I just saw something about it. You've in a lot of ways hit on my piracy rules. I generally don't pirate games because if the devs aren't worth my money they aren't worth my time either. If I'm unreasonably screwed in the deal or the availability is something stupid like I'm supposed to buy a second hand $500 cartridge or a subscription and nothing else, then the ship goes a sailing.
Are you really not aware of the AI companies buying up literally entire years worth of upcoming manufacturing capability to fuel their data center needs? It's been wreaking havoc all across the IT space for a while now. It started with RAM and GPUs but it's expanded to storage and I believe even CPUs are spiking as well now, but don't quote me on that. Just bubble levels of demand for hardware across the board and it's really revealed the fragility of the industry's ability to supply hardware given how few manufacturers for the actual chipsets there actually are and just how costly (both in time, money and specialized knowledge) it is to actually build out more production capability.
Shit's wild out there when companies use the fake and gayness of the stock market to finance infinite hardware purchases and the real world can't crank out enough hardware to meet that absurd demand. Consumer grade products aren't even part of the equation anymore. Crucial, which used to be my go-to brand for SSDs and sometimes RAM was outright gutted because its parent company ran the math and decided that there was zero reason to continue serving the retail customer when there was orders of magnitude more money to be made focusing solely on components for data centers.
I'm aware of people talking about AI huge buying leading to increased prices. I just didn't know or wasn't sure how much is opportunistic price raising that doesn't reflect reality. Like how fast food used "covid" to justify sit down restaurant prices for what is supposed to be 5 dollar meals. I never believed the economic justification from fast food.
I don't follow closely enough or are aware of all the ins and outs to know if the AI was the reason to hike prices or the excuse to hike prices, or if it's a mix of both.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there's a non-zero amount of "oh hey this is a good opportunity to jack up the price and blame it on data centers", but the disrupted market is real. It's a large part of why Trump make a big government investment in Intel in my estimation. The inability to supply our own chips domestically represented a national security threat that got revealed by the AI demand spike.
Yeah, I fed this conversation into AI and it's indeed bleak. I wanted to get a new mega HDD like 20 Tb to store full libraries of games, including PS3 before the internet archive gets inevitably shut down in our draconian times. 22 TB 1 year ago was like 200 something dollars.
Now it's 550 dollars. I have the pressure of wanting to wait until the price is lower, but also concerned if I wait too long, the ability to download huge libraries like PS3 will become shut down. We're so close to being like North Korea with internet. Very little is standing in the way of that, so I wanted an archive of roms before the inevitable happens.
That one. I have the 16 TB version for Plex and it's served me well. I think I paid 150 or so for it back a few years ago
22 TB there is 550, but was like 200 something within this year.
I have a 6 TB I currently was using for rom backups, but trying to do a complete PS2 and Gamecube set has made me realize if I want to have Wii, Wii U, plenty of switch, and plenty of PS3 and 360, I'm gonna need a lot more space. 6 Tb is just enough for all the old consoles and almost all PS2 and Gamecube. But Wii, Wii U, 360, Switch, PS3...forget about it.
Then there's all the other stuff you'd want to archive like Teknoparrot and all the other obscure hyper specific arcade type games
Price hikes and drops are generally the best economic signals that exist because they are completely public and they depend on people's real buying decisions. Regardless of the motives involved, if companies charge more and people continue to pay it, the market will be flooded with supply until a new equilibrium is reached, because there's money to be made. Gas prices shoot up in disaster areas, then return to normalcy as supply increases.
I'm aware that this assumes a free market, which we don't have in several respects, but it does hold generally true. For example, publishers initially tried to hold the line at high prices for ebooks, but the market has kept things relatively reasonable.
Flash makers are limited by water supply, and most modern memory and logic products are operating as zero sum markets, right now. Growth exists, but it can be sped up to meet demand, not by a long shot. Micron also went all in on AI product production, and Hynix is heavily leaning into it.
The big HDD makers all seem to have some institutional history and wisdom. Tbey are selling like crazy, but not changing any major plans. WD and Seagate are very much acting like this is a bubble (it is), and will pass. They are selling out into the future, but not doing anything that would put them in higher risk if it were to crash next week. Good for their profits and company health, but ad for our wallets.
It may be possible (the main causes of aging have been well identified), though I doubt any amount of LLMs or related tech will get them there. IMO, that's just hubris. It going to take genius type engineers and doctors, and time.
In the meantime while I wait for prices to drop I am organising and optimising all my storage libraries for easy backing up/expansion when I can buy for cheap
HDDs and SSDs very likely. They can swap from SAS to SATA on a dime, and many of us can use used SAS drives. NAND for server SSDs are just binned and respec'd consumer NAND, and many people will have good uses for server SSDs at home and work.
RAM is a big question mark. Part of the RAM problem is that they are shifting types of RAM produced. Less normal DDR5, and more LPDDR5 types and HBM (HBM is physically huge, and low yield, and low power DDR5 is only soldered into main boards). If it takes into next year to burst the bubble, there will be production competition from DDR6, as well.
Unfortunately, I know people on the inside, and the bubble is not gonna pop anytime soon.
1.8T OpenAI IPO (for a company that spends up tto $14,000 for every $200 it gets) 1.1T Anthropic IPO are the figures I've been hearing. For a typical programmer now, the cost is split as follow:
$150,000 salary/etc
$600,000 AI tokens (low figure).
I can tell you for a fact they are right now working on the chips that will be used to power AI FIVE years from now, and already starting to take orders for them, and those chips require even MORE ram/etc. Including memory that apparently doesn't even exist yet (at least at scale).
Yeah, I kind of suspected that this wasn't going to pop anytime soon. It's a wild new technology that's very disruptive and has potential for real use beyond just the hype train. It's akin to the internet though. We'll eventually see the dust settle and AI will be an integral new part of the world but there will be hollowed out slag heaps of AI companies littering the roadway by the end of it all. How's America Online doing these days?
Well here's to me to keep hoping my NAS drives hold out. I was just updating and cleaning up last week and noticed they are approaching 50,000 hours of power on time. I wasn't super aware HDDs were up because I don't think AI cares that much.
I picked up a 4TB SSD for my gaming PC back almost exactly two years ago for around $250 just so I wouldn't have to really even consider installing and uninstalling stuff. Not some super hot gamer edition, just a competent drive. Last I've seen that's more than doubled to buy new now.
Ai is gonna make life hard on us.. hogging resources, being used to control/track us, taking personal compute power and making us go cloud, replacing a lot of people's jobs (which only benefits rich)... but people cope saying its helpful. Aka.. using ai make things they didnt master to make. Like instead of learning to 3d sculpt, scan in a drawing (most likely someone else drew or ai generated) then asking ai to generate the sculpt.
We trading laziness or using generative ai.. and gonna lose our freedom and rights.
they can just straight up KILL YOU. and nobody will know it. nobody will ever question it.
the ai trained on everything you ever said or did within range of a microphone has built a profile on you and will just keep posting, calling, video calling and acting normal online.
until it announces it's going on vacation to africa and vanishes. many such cases. violent country. we told him not to go.
It's because the courts will only punish them with light financial penalties that aren't even close to the benefit. It turns into a class action where some attorneys make a lot and you that got screwed get an $8 refund.
Server software for turning a drive full of video files into something that looks like a streaming service on your phone, TV, etc.
They shouldn't even have subscribers. Shit used to just work, then they started charging for built-in features and stitching their own "content" into it which no one asked for.
Definitely not. The only reason people paid is because they tricked themselves into it.
"Netflix is $20/mo, so if I run my own Plex server for grandpa and the in-laws, we're saving $480/yr. It pays for itself!" They were willing to spend far more than it was worth because they thought they were clever in getting one over on the networks/streamers.
I guess there's also a handful of people who were technically capable enough to set up a server on their home PC, but not capable enough to figure out VPNs for slop on the go.
Yeah, went to the plex reddit and people are saying it's just going to shoot them in the foot. Plex is clearly wanting to get people into the "paying monthly aka you won't own anything" model and stay on the hamster wheel, but what's actually going to happen is people are just going to go to Jellyfin, then Plex goes out of business. Retarded.
I stopped downloading torrents to watch a movie and just use this site. One time viewing it works great. It lists the best sites since they change often. https://www.bestfreestreaming.org/
Don't pay for Plex regardless. Jellyfin is completely free and does pretty much everything. Barely even takes any knowhow to make it accessible from outside your network, too.
Thirded. Switched to Jellyfin the instant Plex wanted to charge a subscription to use hardware transcoding on your own GPU.
They're going down the Crunchyroll route of piracy enabler > wanting to be "legitimate" > mediocre service > awful service.
I already own it, but I wouldn't have at 750 dollars. When I got it, it was 200 dollars for life, which was reasonable considering it's user friendly and convenient and I had to keep in mind other people in the household who aren't so good with technology.
While Jellyfin is great for being entirely locally run and free, it is pretty inferior in terms of user experience compared to plex. The sorting, metadata, and library functions are stuck in what Plex was doing 6 or 7 years ago.
Yeah jellyfin is great, it has its own quirks and is not quite as good as plex with stuff like metadata.
But i have setup as portable installation meaning i can just copy it to any computer and run it and have the instance running.
If I were running like a media server for friends/family, I would use plex just because it has a better/more intuitive gui, i guess they figure in that situation people will just fork out the money.
But if im just gonna run my own server so i can play shows and track them netflix style then yeah jellyfin the best.
I also wish I had invested in some more hard drives to store media on before fucking prices skyrocketed.
Good advice. Plex is trying to make me pay extra to see high quality videos (I forgot the codec name) but Jellyfin is free to see it. I need to switch over. I’ve always used the free version.
750 USD for a 'lifetime' pass that lasts until they go bankrupt?
Yeah exactly.
this is what happened to amazon luna recently. I never bought games from this service and I'm on PC. Any games claimed that were part of amazon prime were always linked to the various services like GOG and Epic Games that Amazon Prime gaming partners with. But if you only owned a TV and were reliant on Cloud streaming for gaming, and you bought those games, they're gone now. Technically you still "own" them, but unless you're willing to shell out for a computer to play them on, which a person who only played cloud games wasn't wanting to do in the first place, in all practical sense, they lost games they paid for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT1HNVndb4
I saw something recently too that I guess Square Enix sold some "cloud" switch games basically as full Switch games at full Switch prices and now they are shutting them down, so you don't even have the game anymore.
They own a license to one (1) copy of the game. They exist on the internet, go get it.
Oh I mean I never bought that crap. I just saw something about it. You've in a lot of ways hit on my piracy rules. I generally don't pirate games because if the devs aren't worth my money they aren't worth my time either. If I'm unreasonably screwed in the deal or the availability is something stupid like I'm supposed to buy a second hand $500 cartridge or a subscription and nothing else, then the ship goes a sailing.
People pay for software?
Bro is getting every dime out of it before its a claude code one-shot prompt
What is going on with companies? It's just absurd
A few months ago I could get a large HDD for like 200 bucks. Checked back like two weeks later and it was like 500 bucks.
It should be illegal all the price hiking. Maybe it is. I'm not an economist.
Are you really not aware of the AI companies buying up literally entire years worth of upcoming manufacturing capability to fuel their data center needs? It's been wreaking havoc all across the IT space for a while now. It started with RAM and GPUs but it's expanded to storage and I believe even CPUs are spiking as well now, but don't quote me on that. Just bubble levels of demand for hardware across the board and it's really revealed the fragility of the industry's ability to supply hardware given how few manufacturers for the actual chipsets there actually are and just how costly (both in time, money and specialized knowledge) it is to actually build out more production capability.
Shit's wild out there when companies use the fake and gayness of the stock market to finance infinite hardware purchases and the real world can't crank out enough hardware to meet that absurd demand. Consumer grade products aren't even part of the equation anymore. Crucial, which used to be my go-to brand for SSDs and sometimes RAM was outright gutted because its parent company ran the math and decided that there was zero reason to continue serving the retail customer when there was orders of magnitude more money to be made focusing solely on components for data centers.
I'm aware of people talking about AI huge buying leading to increased prices. I just didn't know or wasn't sure how much is opportunistic price raising that doesn't reflect reality. Like how fast food used "covid" to justify sit down restaurant prices for what is supposed to be 5 dollar meals. I never believed the economic justification from fast food.
I don't follow closely enough or are aware of all the ins and outs to know if the AI was the reason to hike prices or the excuse to hike prices, or if it's a mix of both.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there's a non-zero amount of "oh hey this is a good opportunity to jack up the price and blame it on data centers", but the disrupted market is real. It's a large part of why Trump make a big government investment in Intel in my estimation. The inability to supply our own chips domestically represented a national security threat that got revealed by the AI demand spike.
Yeah, I fed this conversation into AI and it's indeed bleak. I wanted to get a new mega HDD like 20 Tb to store full libraries of games, including PS3 before the internet archive gets inevitably shut down in our draconian times. 22 TB 1 year ago was like 200 something dollars.
Now it's 550 dollars. I have the pressure of wanting to wait until the price is lower, but also concerned if I wait too long, the ability to download huge libraries like PS3 will become shut down. We're so close to being like North Korea with internet. Very little is standing in the way of that, so I wanted an archive of roms before the inevitable happens.
What kind of drives are you using to make it to 22TB of storage for only $550?
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-22TB-External-Drive/dp/B0DW8ZW47C?crid=P2J1VJQXG8RC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.s5q2AMO4sAiq4l7tHjITJX7-RWpoa7adk_KzSGDDtqR70UaetumCC4FGqQw0cxIcxWP4Fd816ohwkLHvfsfOxnSDWs3K_BJAa2C6ks9Ramq7VZgtJLipVW3C66DmuIdMHNqQO8vgEk05hNZDgMUJmudPlz3mNoPnzBxJZv6EXH8k_AAR7Z_BEe87xdm1c2hH2XDXcc1nqK5WABgKSuSxLVQkJHV1dVANcvk58OFiyV0.j-0sVt_k26_XMUGag6uqbMSRSW_EwdtgsKtTPMhAM1w&dib_tag=se&keywords=20%2Btb%2Bhard%2Bdrive&qid=1781811400&sprefix=20%2Btb%2Bhard%2Bdriv%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.cc5c4494-202e-46df-a2c7-ed21162b3114&th=1
That one. I have the 16 TB version for Plex and it's served me well. I think I paid 150 or so for it back a few years ago
22 TB there is 550, but was like 200 something within this year.
I have a 6 TB I currently was using for rom backups, but trying to do a complete PS2 and Gamecube set has made me realize if I want to have Wii, Wii U, plenty of switch, and plenty of PS3 and 360, I'm gonna need a lot more space. 6 Tb is just enough for all the old consoles and almost all PS2 and Gamecube. But Wii, Wii U, 360, Switch, PS3...forget about it.
Then there's all the other stuff you'd want to archive like Teknoparrot and all the other obscure hyper specific arcade type games
Price hikes and drops are generally the best economic signals that exist because they are completely public and they depend on people's real buying decisions. Regardless of the motives involved, if companies charge more and people continue to pay it, the market will be flooded with supply until a new equilibrium is reached, because there's money to be made. Gas prices shoot up in disaster areas, then return to normalcy as supply increases.
I'm aware that this assumes a free market, which we don't have in several respects, but it does hold generally true. For example, publishers initially tried to hold the line at high prices for ebooks, but the market has kept things relatively reasonable.
Flash makers are limited by water supply, and most modern memory and logic products are operating as zero sum markets, right now. Growth exists, but it can be sped up to meet demand, not by a long shot. Micron also went all in on AI product production, and Hynix is heavily leaning into it.
The big HDD makers all seem to have some institutional history and wisdom. Tbey are selling like crazy, but not changing any major plans. WD and Seagate are very much acting like this is a bubble (it is), and will pass. They are selling out into the future, but not doing anything that would put them in higher risk if it were to crash next week. Good for their profits and company health, but ad for our wallets.
Wait a year, when the AI bubble bursts, and you can get RAM and SSDs for pennies on the dollar.
I hope you're right
Me too but lets face it.
if the elite think they can gain the secrets of immortality they would drain every drop of water on this fucking planet to cool the datacenters
It may be possible (the main causes of aging have been well identified), though I doubt any amount of LLMs or related tech will get them there. IMO, that's just hubris. It going to take genius type engineers and doctors, and time.
In the meantime while I wait for prices to drop I am organising and optimising all my storage libraries for easy backing up/expansion when I can buy for cheap
HDDs and SSDs very likely. They can swap from SAS to SATA on a dime, and many of us can use used SAS drives. NAND for server SSDs are just binned and respec'd consumer NAND, and many people will have good uses for server SSDs at home and work.
RAM is a big question mark. Part of the RAM problem is that they are shifting types of RAM produced. Less normal DDR5, and more LPDDR5 types and HBM (HBM is physically huge, and low yield, and low power DDR5 is only soldered into main boards). If it takes into next year to burst the bubble, there will be production competition from DDR6, as well.
Unfortunately, I know people on the inside, and the bubble is not gonna pop anytime soon.
1.8T OpenAI IPO (for a company that spends up tto $14,000 for every $200 it gets) 1.1T Anthropic IPO are the figures I've been hearing. For a typical programmer now, the cost is split as follow:
$150,000 salary/etc
$600,000 AI tokens (low figure).
I can tell you for a fact they are right now working on the chips that will be used to power AI FIVE years from now, and already starting to take orders for them, and those chips require even MORE ram/etc. Including memory that apparently doesn't even exist yet (at least at scale).
Yeah, I kind of suspected that this wasn't going to pop anytime soon. It's a wild new technology that's very disruptive and has potential for real use beyond just the hype train. It's akin to the internet though. We'll eventually see the dust settle and AI will be an integral new part of the world but there will be hollowed out slag heaps of AI companies littering the roadway by the end of it all. How's America Online doing these days?
AI. I got lucky too because I had a large haul of hardware late last year.
Well here's to me to keep hoping my NAS drives hold out. I was just updating and cleaning up last week and noticed they are approaching 50,000 hours of power on time. I wasn't super aware HDDs were up because I don't think AI cares that much.
I picked up a 4TB SSD for my gaming PC back almost exactly two years ago for around $250 just so I wouldn't have to really even consider installing and uninstalling stuff. Not some super hot gamer edition, just a competent drive. Last I've seen that's more than doubled to buy new now.
computing hardware is being taken away from consumers.
ai gives us way too much power. so we won't have home computing.
you'll have a thin client box that connects to servers and they will do everything. and it's gonna cost 100x what we're paying now.
all old hardware will be squeezed off the internet for "security".
you can't even use an old browser right now and do anything.
Ai is gonna make life hard on us.. hogging resources, being used to control/track us, taking personal compute power and making us go cloud, replacing a lot of people's jobs (which only benefits rich)... but people cope saying its helpful. Aka.. using ai make things they didnt master to make. Like instead of learning to 3d sculpt, scan in a drawing (most likely someone else drew or ai generated) then asking ai to generate the sculpt.
We trading laziness or using generative ai.. and gonna lose our freedom and rights.
track? jobs? you're not thinking far enough...
they can just straight up KILL YOU. and nobody will know it. nobody will ever question it.
the ai trained on everything you ever said or did within range of a microphone has built a profile on you and will just keep posting, calling, video calling and acting normal online.
until it announces it's going on vacation to africa and vanishes. many such cases. violent country. we told him not to go.
Yeah. Humanity is kinda screwed... ai being controlled by pedo elites.
I wouldn't be so sure. A bunch of companies have reneged on lifetime passes and contracts.
T-Moble, 24 hour fitness, a bunch of airlines.
It's because the courts will only punish them with light financial penalties that aren't even close to the benefit. It turns into a class action where some attorneys make a lot and you that got screwed get an $8 refund.
AKA they wanna show they got monthly subscribers and pull a spotify/whatever.
Server software for turning a drive full of video files into something that looks like a streaming service on your phone, TV, etc.
They shouldn't even have subscribers. Shit used to just work, then they started charging for built-in features and stitching their own "content" into it which no one asked for.
You're probably right.
And this is worth $250 - sorry, $750 - for...?
Also see: Peloton I guess.
For ease of use & the UI - Plex is VERY polished. 750.00 for life.....errr... Until they file bankruptcy.
There is a reason they are going for a cash grab now tho.
Jellyfin has massively improved over the last could of years.
Definitely not. The only reason people paid is because they tricked themselves into it.
"Netflix is $20/mo, so if I run my own Plex server for grandpa and the in-laws, we're saving $480/yr. It pays for itself!" They were willing to spend far more than it was worth because they thought they were clever in getting one over on the networks/streamers.
I guess there's also a handful of people who were technically capable enough to set up a server on their home PC, but not capable enough to figure out VPNs for slop on the go.
WOW. I think I paid $70 for it or something, ages ago when it was easily the only game in town. It had to be in the early 20-teens.
I'd been considering looking into Jellyfin recently just haven't made the time to actually do it all yet.
Yeah, went to the plex reddit and people are saying it's just going to shoot them in the foot. Plex is clearly wanting to get people into the "paying monthly aka you won't own anything" model and stay on the hamster wheel, but what's actually going to happen is people are just going to go to Jellyfin, then Plex goes out of business. Retarded.
Here's me still using Pirate bay like some kind of caveman.
torrents + USB stick + device = movie night
I stopped downloading torrents to watch a movie and just use this site. One time viewing it works great. It lists the best sites since they change often. https://www.bestfreestreaming.org/
interesting choice, i usually just use watchseries8[dot]art but this could be useful for movies
I assume it's a matter of time before they get bought and switch to subscriptions
red line go up mentality will be the death of all these companies that don't just rate hike, they rate mountain climb and expect you to follow.
The next step is to phase out the pass, and then the remaining memberships. Lifetime anything is always a joke