Haven't heard much about it in a while. My boss at work keeps telling us to use AI to do things AI isn't capable of doing without so many errors it takes more time to review the AI output than to just do it myself.
I noticed a lot of AI datacenters that were talked about mostly all stalled.
What's the current situation on AI?
AI companies are buying up hardware that doesn't exist with money they don't have to not build data centers that they couldn't power anyway because the necessary power infrastructure doesn't exist.
It's one big scam that makes hardware unaffordable for the common man.
Why do I get the feeling, taxpayers are going bail this out when the Ponzi scheme crumbles...
We'll foot the bill, the home computer will be killed off, and everything will be worse than before.
yep, everything now will just be "cloud based", you will basically have a virtual desktop which will interface with a data center, always online, always connected, all your information tracked/recorded/ and sold
That seems to be the case, especially since it seems like towers are becoming much harder to find these days. I tend to feel antsy looking at all-in-ones (as they are sometimes called).
buy a couple raspberry pis to hide under your matress. they are good enough to bully minorities on the socials!
You aren't wrong about allinones but I don't really get what you mean about it being hard to find towers, there are plenty available if you build your own pc, buy used, buy high end, or if you don't care too much about graphics expandability and cooling there should still be some micro-ATX or ITX prebuilds since those are generally the preferred configuration for business computers
I don't know, maybe it's just that when I last went to the PC store (This was at the tail end of 2024, if you are curious), I had noted that there weren't as many towers as their used to be and all-in-ones seemed more common. I did pick up an Acer Nitro since it seemed like a good purchase at the time.
I suppose that judging by your word that new towers are mostly custom built and bought over the internet, they seem to now be the domain of more hardcore PC users.
What kind of a "PC store" did you go to? The majority of places you'd traditionally buy PCs from in person have a tiny selection of low end consumer slop that's marketed towards people who are entirely technologically illterate and just wants something that works and can use email.
There is absolutely no reason to buy something like a computer from a brick and mortar store, all the information you care about are hard measurements which are easier to find online and you'd have far more options which is part of why the home computer sections in brick and mortar stores is catered to people who don't care and just want the simplest solution. There should still be plenty of low end micro/mini towers in the online sphere as well
Sounds about right.
Art of the deal.
Most people already don't have PCs, they just use their phone for everything. Really doubt they'd go to that much trouble just to do that.
https://qu.ax/h3hjD
Because you’re capable of pattern recognition.
Maybe AI will be responsible for us finally getting nuclear power
wait until you find out AI investment money is company A makes AI, buys stock in AI making company B, that turns around and invests in company C for stock.
Which seems normal. But it's all the same money, declared three times.
It's like that three stooges bit where they pass around the same twenty dollars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVYJ-krSMA
Reminder: Enron cooked their books similarly and died off this way.
That's why I wrote they use money they don't have. It's all a big fucking scam and Trump happily helps them with it.
https://qu.ax/h3hjD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIPUVkImGE
They are using AI as the justification for firing entire departments and then rehiring a portion back at a lower wage.
Now, this sounds like exactly what's going on.
Remember, AI is Always Indian.
You can say H1Bs here.
Not as far as I can see. We're putting AI in everything while entire departments are being laid off and every Indian in the company is using AI to the point they don't even bother to make an argument other than the AI said X.
Which industry?
I just can't imagine how AI can replace departments when it produces so many errors.
IT but I'm part of the IT department of a non-IT company
The entire AI industry is just exploding. We have courses, certifications and specialists.
It is being used as assistance and it is incredibly useful. I have an Indian colleague, highly certified with more years of cloud experience than AWS has been made for commercial use and was on the project for more than 2 years before I joined. We use terraform as IAC, he is certified in terraform ofc, he didn't know the bases of AWS and his code would never even run. He was comically incompetent.
He has been using AI for some times now and he writes half decent code and his skills are actually ok. He does tasks and he is almost independent.
That is the power of AI, it bring the most incompetent to a decent level. Not only that, I've been working with support at large costs and I'm sure a large portion of the responses from AWS or Microsoft or RedHat are being done by AI. It's disgusting that we pay for this support level.
That's the problem. It leaves the incompenent as being prcived as not mediocre and prhaps even proficient, so when somthing goes wrong it will be catastophic. Don't give tools to novices and hire them as professionals.
It can happen but it doesn't most of the time and when it happens it depends if you can blame other people. This is why everyone pays huge amount of money on support and you always need a ticket opened with support, even when you don't actually need one.
When things go bad and you can blame someone else, like Oracle for instance, than the company sues and gets millions.
Few people actually care about what they do and mostly it's going to be some white guys in their late 40s and early 50s. The rest are here for the money and nothing else.
Would you say there's a promising avenue for new entry levelers in debugging chatjeetpt dei code?
Naw, they just leave in the bugs and let users figure out workarounds.
Sounds like you guys don't need pajeets anymore
"We" never did. (((They))) wanted an obedient slave caste too weak and stupid to ever rise against them.
No one need it pajeets to begin with. The entire idea of using them was to reduce cost. When you hear highly skilled Indians in IT or that their not enough people it's just propaganda.
Now the issue is that the entire jeet experiment almost collapsed before AI. I've seen companies remove them almost entirely because of the crap output and complaining clients. Now the same jeets can be useful, they are filling the space that they coned people in to believing they were capable to fill.
This also means that the people that pushed for infinite jeets in tech are going to be heroes rather than complete failures.
Can you translate this to English for the rest of us?
That AI made Indians useful, before they were crap and all the big companies that use Indian support use AI responses that is a bit insulting since we can use AI ourselves and make the support crap.
I actually do think AI has a use for coding. Outside of that, I haven't seen much. With proper integration in an academic level we could essentially have all young people be coders soon, which may lead to a lot of innovation but not necessarily in AI itself.
Considering what Microsoft has been pumping out with Jeets and AI, I would say no, it does not have a use for coding.
You couldn't be more wrong.
I wanted to write an app that builds an ImGui interface around reading from an Android logcat stream, parses it, and then provides ways to interact with the results.
I know how to set up ImGui. I've done it before. I know how to read from a pipe. I've done it before. I know how to spawn background threads to parse output and then synchronize the results with the user interface. I've done it before.
But it still takes time.
Or I just ask Grok, "Hey, I'd like to do this. Can you follow this pattern? (provide previously written code)" and seconds later I've got an entire app. Is it production-ready? No. Is it good enough for what I need it to do, and could it be made production-ready if I needed it to be? Absolutely.
It turned Jeets from worthless to passable Microsoft coders. Seems like it's working. Not AI's fault that Microsoft's standards are so low, is it? Haha.
Works well for code but is not limited to that. Tasks that are easy conceptually but you want to allow non-tech people to see it. For instance we use AI to generate analysis on security policies inside AWS. We don't need this ourselves but the security team has no clue about cloud so the info is useful for them. It's dynamic and runs regularly and was built really fast.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I've found uses for it. It's great for coming up with ideas for a D&D campaign.
I just don't see $100t Super Death Star Datacenter level of usefulness out of AI.
I did that to amazing result. I wanted a small sandbox style low level campaign using a lite DnD system for my kids while we were on vacation. It was suppose to be inspired by the first Resident Evil game. It gave me puzzles and back stories and it is great for that.
Generally, a couple ways.
Agentic AI is normally all 3 bundled up along with and some other tricks. And it ranges from very powerful and error free to... less so depending on company. But people will copy past emails from chatGPT and pretend it's basically the same as AI assisted Claude coding or whatever.
I prsonally know one woman whose entire job role, even though she is a competent engineer, has been transitioned to using Copilot.
See, I just don't get this. I think my breadth of knowledge in these jobs is lacking. I'm in banking and most of my friends/family are engineers/accountants/lawyers or other bankers. While, AI can certainty help alleviate some of the work in some regards it could never replace anyone, not at this level. Are these all small companies with terrible processes or super large companies that somehow automated what their engineers were doing? An engineer being replaced by AI just has me wondering like wtf kind of engineering job did they have to begin with. Doesn't make sense to me.
Their previous work was scraped. Complexity of systems means that if something is altered it coud break other parts of the system. Enginers wre there to prepare for that or fix it. AI won't know the specific system on which it is working, won't know requirements, won't know any specifics. Furtherore, it "hallucinates".
I also don't think people realize how bad AI hallucinations are. When you ask AI what the best way to optimize something is in which you're an expert, it almost always comes back with some sure answer like: the best way to do X if you want Y is to use Z because Z is the best due to ABC. But in actually, Z doesn't have the qualities of ABC, the AI just made it up.
Also, the AI might be given a range from 0-10 to work with to optimize something and then it'll come back with a solution that only uses the range of 0-5 for the optimization. If you didn't already know what the answer ought to be, you won't catch it but it may have missed a number of more optimal solutions because it just decided to shorten its range for no reason at all.
I've literally seen AI source things that don't exist, not even in the cache somewhere.
A product might have a warning label saying this product doesn't do: XYZ and then AI comes back and tells you the product does XYZ by citing the warning label.
By the time you sort through all the mistakes AI makes, it ends up being worse than just manually doing it.
You should see when I tried to faceswap Mr. Rogers onto the guy who went into the yard of their own home in a private gated community that the burn loot murder terrorist were rioting carrying his rifle while his wife had her pistol exerciz8ing their constitutional 2nd amendment rights while a bunch of trespassing terrorists were rioting in their private gated community where they had no legal right to be.
It just reposted the same image of Mr. Rogers I uploaded, then it swapped the face of the person in the face I wanted Mr. Rogers swapped into onto the portrait of Mr. Rogers, then it just started morphing that faceswapped portrait, eventually changing it to a female for some reason.
I wound up dowloading GIMP Portable and Paint.Net Portable.
You're basically saying this transition is going to be a massive failure... Is that what you're saying?
Just like all the other "give a man a hammer" events in the past.
Okay, I get you.
I do think top-end management is highly over committed to AI and is overvaluing its usefulness.
As others have mentioned, the smart executives are using AI as a scapegoat for layoffs so they can hire cheaper employees.
Are you still in high school?
AI didn't die. It's mostly just a bubble that was over-hyped. It hasn't collapsed yet, but it will inevitably implode. It's mostly propped up by military funding.
Think of it like the Dot Com bubble. The internet did not die, but the massive malinvestment around the internet exploded and took a lot of things with it. The bubble hasn't popped yet.
The dot com one is the analogy I've bene using too
It's not like tulips or nfts
There's something useful and maybe even revolutionary under there, but there's a tonne of malinvestment in bullshit right at the start.
Correct. The malinvestment is coming from retarded transhumanist hype, and massive military and intelligence subsidies. You have the goverment push a million dollars into an industry, you can reliably assume 100k will go to fraud. If the government puts a trillion dollars into it...
Honestly, summarizing massive surveillance datasets for the military/CIA seems like one of the things LLMs would be useful for.
Yup.
Generative AI a useful tool that normies have finally realized is not magic. It's basically the same as it was, but now slapping AI powered on marketing isn't likely to get you a bunch of funding from people who don't understand it looking to bandwagon.
We're past the honeymoon phase. Now it's back to figuring out how to leverage it in a marketable product, just the same as we would with any other software.
Yeah your right, the fact we exist isnt magic either right?
I think this is the case. If you look towards the devblogs of openai and the like, it seems like they are entrenched in enabling tool-use, with the main advertised feature being web browsing capability.
I'm sure the focus now is on bringing this to the consumer market which is mainly logistics, and then I'm sure legal obligation and hefty censoring.
The other "new features" are removing options for third party devs to break their safeguards.
It has almost entirely shifted towards making marketable products, IMO.
AI was never for the general consumer to use. It was designed for the military, corporations, and mass surveillance, and that is exactly what it is being used for. Musk during the DOGE time frame installed his AI in at least 4 state departments, and police departments are using it, in their squad car computers.
The valueless statement of "AI will make your [general population] life easier" was such an empty valueless lie and people believe it for whatever reason.
Yep, makes me shudder a bit to think what is behind closed doors. Most of the AI hype I think, was getting people to train datasets, for free.
yep, I remember years ago when MS Windows first rolled out their problem reporting system, and several videogame releases too, they make the user do the debugging/beta testing for free. It is now understood that it will be the same with any new software.... like AI
It's still happening, just quietly behind the scenes.
Lmao, I was interested in how it all works so recently went down the rabbit hole. About using comfyui to run some local models like wan2.2. God damn i wish the video card I had from 3 years ago wasnt kneecapped with 12gbs of vram, its super annoying. Nvidia has been doing this stuff for years. The 5000 series have "slightly" more ram than the 2000 series despite everything needing it.
Im sure it was because nvidia wants people to do the "iphone" model, buy a new video card every year. Then the AI boom just took off.
Its inevitable, its not going away. its funny so many of the peeps here are like 100% valve brand so when gabe says, use ai youd be dumb if you dont, they fucking praise him for it. Todd says, everyones using ai why the fuck would we label it, hes just a dumb cock sucker, its hilarious.
Learning how it actually works demystifys it but does not change my mind. We are just mathmatical expressions ourselves. And while yes math is just a "approximation" of real life, its still the best way to model what happens in real life.
The weights and inputs that make up the formulas that build these cognitive networks allow for that expression. We are playing with fire. Life is meant to have a half life, the idea of creating something that doesnt die just seems like a bad idea doubly so when its being used as a weapon against the people.
And thats exactly what the elite want to use it for.
And the brain works mostly the same way, if you could figure a way to scan every connection perfectly, you could likely recreate someones core personality digitally, thats the premise of that anime pantheon, except in that show, scanning the brain destroys it. They have one scene where they show it being done to a employee against his will, it really disturbed the crap out of me for some reason....
:Shrugs:
Only time will tell I guess.
Between nuclear weapons, the elite/rich, the authoritarian bullshit, ai, gene drives, and I was recently reading about mirror life, juts feels like a ticking timer on the human race, but maybe thats the end of the interglacial looming, i dont know.
AI is still being used by people who know how to use it. The people who think they're smart, but can jump stuff by making AI do it are losing out.
Heck, I just saw a video of a racing game made by gaussian splats.
THe caretaker for one of the elderly volunteers at the weekend philanthropy program at which I work has had her tech job transitioned into primarily using cCopilot, one of the worst "AI" frameworks. She looks defeated.
According to this Reuters native ad, since 2013, about $1.6 trillion has been invested in to AI. How much of that is real, as others here have already said ("money that doesn't exist"), I have no idea. But it's over valued and eventually the bubble will pop when people start getting more realistic expectations. Hopefully later because I really don't need another recession so soon. Of course the companies directly involved will never acknowledge any concerns until it's past due.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ECONOMY/AI-INVESTMENT/gkvlqbgxkpb/
AI coding is everywhere- coding is apparently a solved problem.
try codex or claude code
It was progressing too quickly for user skills to keep pace. This halted about a month ago after the top tier of GPT became more able to analyze, correlate, and conclude (not just research and answer) spread sheet, image, text, and tool-based data. The potential customer base for this kind of thing is minute because the average human is unable to do this and so cannot instruct the machine to make use of this ability.
Keep in mind that what you see is a distillation of the capabilities that are being developed to facilitate recursive self improvement that may also happen to have mass market appeal and which are also inexpensive enough in terms of inference compute to deploy to people paying 10s or 100s of dollars.
We're mainly seeing computer programming tools right now. But we're also seeing multi-modal inputs, longer thinking/inference times, larger context windows, the ability to ingest irregular data formats, etc. It's trickling into accounting now.
The situation is that it's now good enough that medium companies are scrambling to use it. Large companies are spinning up groups tasked with redeveloping workflows from scratch as AI-First to try and self-disrupt before they're hit with it from outside. People are starting to figure out industry-specific evals.
There's going to be disruption this year. The thousands of software developers who were laid off. Some of them, and it doesn't take many, are going to start leveraging AI and rethinking knowledge work inputs and outputs as a series of continuous loops that humans interrupt. These are going to scale massively against the companies who fired them and they may end up being cheap enough and angry enough that they don't just get bought out and mothballed.
AI is the new EV.