Star Trek: Enterprise looks better and better with each passing year by comparison.
shudders
While I admittedly watched all the JJTrek movies (and in order, OK, STUPID, Meh) I could only get through 3 episodes of Discovery before I stopped watching any of that drek. Except for a few minutes of Section 31, which was more of a "let's go check out that train wreck", A few episodes Star Trek New Worlds which I was told was good by friends (Nope) and Picard Season 3.
ST:SNW clearly has people putting effort into telling a Star Trek story, but do not actually understand why Star Trek is good without the perspective of a Southern California Theater Kid.
I still maintain that Enterprise is the greatest miss in the franchise history. The concept is actually fucking epic, and would force the show to philosophically fight with Liberal Idealism and harsh reality. It should have been an occasional occurrence to lose crew members, permanently, in their journey to underscore the difficulty of the mission, and the sacrifice required. Season 3 tried to tell that story and kept getting hung up on cliche.
I disagree that Enterprise is the greatest miss in the franchise history as ALL of the JJTrek product falls far, far below that.
Enterprise wasn't great but it was following in the footsteps of the degredation that started near the end of DS9, accelerated with Voyager and then became the weak sauce that is Enterprise. I can't help but roll my eyes with "Well Voyager wuz woke!" - Yes... yes it was, no argument there! For TOS I can point to dozens of memorable episodes, TNG has fewer but still great high points, DS9 has fewer than TNG but still has some really excellent stories in there. Voyager? There's only one episode that stands out to me (2 if you count "Threshold" and that's not because I liked it... and also had to look up the episode) Enterprise had nothing memorable except the disastrous finale. (although I liked Manny Coto's attempts near the end and I liked his work on Odyssey 5)
Personally I think the trend of Star Trek here follows our society's descent into dumbing down our society and promoting communism.
It wasn't "woke" as we know it today with all the transgenderism (although TNG had an episode that dealt with that and, of course, "conversion therapy") But it was woke in the sense that they "abandoned all currency and the desire for things" in TNG (and brought back capitalism in DS9 with the Ferengi). All villainous groups were shown to be ultimately just misunderstood good people.
Discovery was the greatest miss. A chance like TNG had to update the show for the new future but they changed it from a promising premise being about a Fed/Klingon hybrid ship set well in the future from VOY/TNG films for another fucking prequel, starring a black woman named Mike who was Spock's adopted sister.
And they made the Klingons look weird and didn't even show the title ship in the 1st episode.
I'll grant you that there was a chance to reboot the franchise out of the Boomer Truth regime, but it never actually had a chance that Hollywood writers would have even made the attempt.
Hell even Voyager looks amazing compared to this shit.
"There's coffee in that nebula" is genius compared to "I think I ate my com badge".
The Doctor seems smarter, more competent and human with a better bedside manner in the later seasons of Voyager than he did in the clip I saw of him basically just trying to be a sarcastic asshole for no reason.
"There's coffee in that nebula" makes a lot of sense because: a) Janeway's actually a fucking addict, and b) Voyager actually needs regular resupply of some nature in order to survive.
Let me give those of you reading this some helpful advice. You don't have to take some randon internet person's advice of course, but honestly at this point, don't even hate watch it.
I like Star Trek a lot, but I haven't watched anything since Enterprise.
I know what they're doing, but they're too late. I have decades of movies and shows that I can watch and enjoy, that, at their worst; are far superior in every single way than any episode of this new stuff.
And I don't have to watch their destruction of the thing I enjoy to know I'm right. They can't take away the good, only destroy what they think they now own. And just from the title of this post, I know it's going to be horrible.
Which is why this will fail, and become forgotten. Every now and then people will remember it as "Oh yeah, that was crap" and move the conversation away so they don't have to remember how bad it was.
Honestly, the live-action videos in the Starfleet Academy computer game over 20 years ago add up to a better everything (TV show, movie, whatever) than whatever cancerous retardation Paramount spits out.
I look forward to the day I can upload scans of the Thrawn and Han Solo Star Wars EU trilogies and tell an AI to generate a miniseries that stays true to the written works.
I watched the TrekCulture video on it because the title made it sound like even those wokies hated it too, but 2/3 of them liked it and the one who didn't still said he liked how it was being a comedy which is NOT Star Trek- it has funny moments at time but not slapstick or cursing to be cool garbage. And the woman said fat people would totally exist in the future and attacked Elon Musk.
I used to engage with the WhatCulture media a lot. I was initially a fan of WhatCulture Wrestling, but branched out to all their other branches. But sadly like so many sites they drastically shifted in 2020 during the Floyd nonsense. It became super left-wing and unwatchable. They even put in an ugly fucking tranny as a presenter.
Preferring Star Trek be a throwaway comedy over a smartly written and acted show that encourages you to explore the possibilities of existence and the human condition? People like that shouldn't be anywhere near the franchise.
Trek Culture can go and find their Lucky Charms. That Sean guy royally pissed on fans of Trek proper and so he can sink in the cesspit he calls home. Ellie, over on WhoCulture, at least saw the flaws as they surfaced and let fans have their uncertainty and unease, maybe even agreed with them while maintaining a professional abstract capacity to their news coverage.
That all said, it's not the worst Trek out there. It's a state of ongoing repair which is still wanting to keep the canon established by NuTrek, so it will fail. But it does a punch to the right arm and says "Remember what Trek was about, back when it was good?" and so knows going in that it's not a winner. I think the humour is what it will be remembered for, the Jem'Hadar/Klingon teacher and the holographic student are both hilarious in their roles.
For a teen coming of age story akin to Disney's Aladdin set within the Trek universe, it works. I'd not say it's anything beyond that, now whether it keeps to that is another story.
The series is so bad but I had to keep watching. I howled with laughter when the only white male (who was also the bully to start with) just happened to be an alien lizard in a skin suit. His transformation scene was also the shittiest CGI I've seen in a while.
Oh and the wicked witch style green face painted students at the end. Is it a parody? I'm treating everything as a parody now, far more entertaining.
the only white male (who was also the bully to start with) just happened to be an alien lizard in a skin suit
I'd complain about spoilers but who cares? Jesus I'm not 100% convinced you're not trolling (good idea for a lie, someone would have to actually watch this shit to debunk you) but I'm like 90% sure you're telling the truth because that's so stupid and woke it would make perfect sense.
Yeah it is spoilerish I'm sorry about that. I watched the second episode today... they referenced Trump's wall in the most subtle way only a leftist script writer could manage. I think you watch it haha
It's for the theater kid queers that took over the franchise. Just narcissism on display, and demanding love for it.
Star Trek: Enterprise looks better and better with each passing year by comparison.
shudders
While I admittedly watched all the JJTrek movies (and in order, OK, STUPID, Meh) I could only get through 3 episodes of Discovery before I stopped watching any of that drek. Except for a few minutes of Section 31, which was more of a "let's go check out that train wreck", A few episodes Star Trek New Worlds which I was told was good by friends (Nope) and Picard Season 3.
ST:SNW clearly has people putting effort into telling a Star Trek story, but do not actually understand why Star Trek is good without the perspective of a Southern California Theater Kid.
I still maintain that Enterprise is the greatest miss in the franchise history. The concept is actually fucking epic, and would force the show to philosophically fight with Liberal Idealism and harsh reality. It should have been an occasional occurrence to lose crew members, permanently, in their journey to underscore the difficulty of the mission, and the sacrifice required. Season 3 tried to tell that story and kept getting hung up on cliche.
I disagree that Enterprise is the greatest miss in the franchise history as ALL of the JJTrek product falls far, far below that.
Enterprise wasn't great but it was following in the footsteps of the degredation that started near the end of DS9, accelerated with Voyager and then became the weak sauce that is Enterprise. I can't help but roll my eyes with "Well Voyager wuz woke!" - Yes... yes it was, no argument there! For TOS I can point to dozens of memorable episodes, TNG has fewer but still great high points, DS9 has fewer than TNG but still has some really excellent stories in there. Voyager? There's only one episode that stands out to me (2 if you count "Threshold" and that's not because I liked it... and also had to look up the episode) Enterprise had nothing memorable except the disastrous finale. (although I liked Manny Coto's attempts near the end and I liked his work on Odyssey 5)
Personally I think the trend of Star Trek here follows our society's descent into dumbing down our society and promoting communism.
Eh, JJTrek was always going to fail, so I don't consider it a "miss" per say. Just a regular failure.
Star Trek was never "woke" it was just liberal and progressive, but it always was.
I agree that it's descent mirrors are push towards communism. At least Hollywood's.
It wasn't "woke" as we know it today with all the transgenderism (although TNG had an episode that dealt with that and, of course, "conversion therapy") But it was woke in the sense that they "abandoned all currency and the desire for things" in TNG (and brought back capitalism in DS9 with the Ferengi). All villainous groups were shown to be ultimately just misunderstood good people.
Except for the Ferengi because capitalists are inherently evil.
Shame Manny Coto died, he seemed to have some idea of what Star Trek was supposed to be at least.
Discovery was the greatest miss. A chance like TNG had to update the show for the new future but they changed it from a promising premise being about a Fed/Klingon hybrid ship set well in the future from VOY/TNG films for another fucking prequel, starring a black woman named Mike who was Spock's adopted sister.
And they made the Klingons look weird and didn't even show the title ship in the 1st episode.
I'll grant you that there was a chance to reboot the franchise out of the Boomer Truth regime, but it never actually had a chance that Hollywood writers would have even made the attempt.
Hell even Voyager looks amazing compared to this shit.
"There's coffee in that nebula" is genius compared to "I think I ate my com badge".
The Doctor seems smarter, more competent and human with a better bedside manner in the later seasons of Voyager than he did in the clip I saw of him basically just trying to be a sarcastic asshole for no reason.
"There's coffee in that nebula" makes a lot of sense because: a) Janeway's actually a fucking addict, and b) Voyager actually needs regular resupply of some nature in order to survive.
Yeah.. it certainly looks better but, GOD I hated that line! :D
Let me give those of you reading this some helpful advice. You don't have to take some randon internet person's advice of course, but honestly at this point, don't even hate watch it.
I like Star Trek a lot, but I haven't watched anything since Enterprise.
I know what they're doing, but they're too late. I have decades of movies and shows that I can watch and enjoy, that, at their worst; are far superior in every single way than any episode of this new stuff.
And I don't have to watch their destruction of the thing I enjoy to know I'm right. They can't take away the good, only destroy what they think they now own. And just from the title of this post, I know it's going to be horrible.
Which is why this will fail, and become forgotten. Every now and then people will remember it as "Oh yeah, that was crap" and move the conversation away so they don't have to remember how bad it was.
Honestly, the live-action videos in the Starfleet Academy computer game over 20 years ago add up to a better everything (TV show, movie, whatever) than whatever cancerous retardation Paramount spits out.
Every piece of media now is theater queers skinsuiting someone else's work in order to act out social fantasies from their high school diaries.
This all goes back to when they demonized bullying in schools. Theater kids need to get bullied or you get the shit we're seeing now.
Well half the crew is fat so that's really just the law of averages.
Fan made AI can’t come fast enough
I look forward to the day I can upload scans of the Thrawn and Han Solo Star Wars EU trilogies and tell an AI to generate a miniseries that stays true to the written works.
I heard that some fans had made a thrawn AI video…
clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZozc3tgAPM
I watched the TrekCulture video on it because the title made it sound like even those wokies hated it too, but 2/3 of them liked it and the one who didn't still said he liked how it was being a comedy which is NOT Star Trek- it has funny moments at time but not slapstick or cursing to be cool garbage. And the woman said fat people would totally exist in the future and attacked Elon Musk.
I used to engage with the WhatCulture media a lot. I was initially a fan of WhatCulture Wrestling, but branched out to all their other branches. But sadly like so many sites they drastically shifted in 2020 during the Floyd nonsense. It became super left-wing and unwatchable. They even put in an ugly fucking tranny as a presenter.
Preferring Star Trek be a throwaway comedy over a smartly written and acted show that encourages you to explore the possibilities of existence and the human condition? People like that shouldn't be anywhere near the franchise.
Trek Culture can go and find their Lucky Charms. That Sean guy royally pissed on fans of Trek proper and so he can sink in the cesspit he calls home. Ellie, over on WhoCulture, at least saw the flaws as they surfaced and let fans have their uncertainty and unease, maybe even agreed with them while maintaining a professional abstract capacity to their news coverage.
That all said, it's not the worst Trek out there. It's a state of ongoing repair which is still wanting to keep the canon established by NuTrek, so it will fail. But it does a punch to the right arm and says "Remember what Trek was about, back when it was good?" and so knows going in that it's not a winner. I think the humour is what it will be remembered for, the Jem'Hadar/Klingon teacher and the holographic student are both hilarious in their roles.
For a teen coming of age story akin to Disney's Aladdin set within the Trek universe, it works. I'd not say it's anything beyond that, now whether it keeps to that is another story.
The Klingon teacher is great. I would have enjoyed her in the better seasons of modern dr who.
The series is so bad but I had to keep watching. I howled with laughter when the only white male (who was also the bully to start with) just happened to be an alien lizard in a skin suit. His transformation scene was also the shittiest CGI I've seen in a while.
Oh and the wicked witch style green face painted students at the end. Is it a parody? I'm treating everything as a parody now, far more entertaining.
I'd complain about spoilers but who cares? Jesus I'm not 100% convinced you're not trolling (good idea for a lie, someone would have to actually watch this shit to debunk you) but I'm like 90% sure you're telling the truth because that's so stupid and woke it would make perfect sense.
Yeah it is spoilerish I'm sorry about that. I watched the second episode today... they referenced Trump's wall in the most subtle way only a leftist script writer could manage. I think you watch it haha
Nigga I ain't watching this fucking faggoty show, spoil away.
I just listened to the Film Threat reviews so I know of the wall lol.
Insert Marines joke here.
"Remember when we were explorers?" - Jean Luc Picard