they've been doing it for at least a year now. the TSA agents ask you to pose for the camera to verify your ID. While you can opt out for another form of ID verification, their canned response is that there are a billion cameras in the airport anyway so you might as well.
I think that's the point. they're informing you that you're not doing anything for your privacy, just holding up the line doing the alternate identity verification because the data is going to be collected anyway.
You mean misinforming you, since clearly they need you to pose for that specific camera instead. Regular CCTV cameras aren't going to get good pictures of your face or its 3D geometry, nor did you give your consent for them to put your face from that footage in a database, whereas if you let them scan you then they take that as consent for facial processing.
A decade ago I came back to the USA from a brief stay in France. In Orlando airport there was a machine that rose up from the floor to my head height and scanned my face. It was one of the creepiest things I've ever seen a machine do.
The TSA openly lies about what they do. The last time I checked, they still have those signs up in airports saying their scanner machines can't store or transmit images, when it ends up their RFP specified that they be able to do both those things. When confronted, they admitted that the ability does exist, but totally only in testing mode, so I'm sure they're telling the truth this time. The signs still say the ability does not exist years later. I believe the sample image they show is also misleadingly poor and leaked images show that it's much closer to taking naked pictures than they admit.
I believe the images the officers see now are just illustrated figures with areas of them highlighted. But the actual data the machines produce can be assembled into naked-looking images, so potentially they are still generating such images and sending them to a database somewhere.
If you signed up for TSA Precheck or Global Crossing to bypass the security line, you’re required to get your face scanned and that’s your “ID” to pass.
Unfortunately there isn't much alternative when traveling long distances. In the past people managed just fine spending their whole lives within a 7 mile radius but now everything has spread out due to the invention of trains, cars and airplanes. Sucks to be you if you have business trips or family to visit abroad.
Dropped someone off at the airport over the holidays. The little airport was in chaos because they hadn't been able to get any flights off the ground for days prior due to weather.
In response, they had quadrupled the usual flight runs to alleviate the backlog.
I came into the terminal & waited with the passenger to see if they'd actually get out today. At check-in, there was a jogger & a flatfaced fat female chink next to the desk holding clipboards that I assumed were grounds crew.
We took a seat & watched the prop planes getting loaded (small airport, board passengers directly from the tarmac).
For the next hour, we watched the inept ground crew fiddle around with the plane in front of us, taking luggage on/off the plane multiple times. Then the jogger & the frying pan chink got on the plane into the cockpit & started taxiing away. I was really hoping to see another White man actually board, but no one else ever came. These prop planes are small enough that there's not even a stewardess. The chink would've been operating as both flight attendant & first mate.
My passenger thankfully was another flight. But it was a cold dose of reality between seeing all the memes online about DEI air disasters & influencers checking for white elbows in the cockpit upon boarding. To suddenly witnessing diversity showing up at your very runway.
They’ve been doing facial recognition photos for at least a couple years now and I never had to submit a photo or do any sort of special scan at any point ever. They just already had it from a passport or drivers license or whatever espionage they already had. So I guess I can sit back and be angry if I want, but this isn’t changing any data the government already has. I’m not going to be so naive to assume they don’t have anything on my DNA either.
Let’s just face it, if the government really wants us, they will get us.
There's a difference between a flat low resolution passport photo and your 3D face. They want all the 3D geometry in high resolution and any other data they can get their hands on, preferably with your consent to store and use it, which they are now taking as implied by use of an airport. Getting DNA tied to people's identities is also hard to do in large numbers, but using airports will make it easy. We must resist the incremental erosion of our freedoms or there will be nothing left to fight for.
I’m just saying it’s not new at least regarding the face. It’s been going on at least two years if not longer at large airports. That picture of the white guy in the black backpack in the article is of existing reality that’s exactly what it looks like. I don’t know how they obtained my face otherwise, but they already had it by virtue of having used their facial recognition on me prior to me having provided it to them.
Yeah low trust society requires low trust solutions. UK eggs on foreign violence, while using any right leaning reaction to it as justification for even more Big Brother crap
Why do I get the feeling they were ALREADY doing this just openly admitting to it now?
they've been doing it for at least a year now. the TSA agents ask you to pose for the camera to verify your ID. While you can opt out for another form of ID verification, their canned response is that there are a billion cameras in the airport anyway so you might as well.
Then they can get my picture from one of those billion cameras.
I think that's the point. they're informing you that you're not doing anything for your privacy, just holding up the line doing the alternate identity verification because the data is going to be collected anyway.
You mean misinforming you, since clearly they need you to pose for that specific camera instead. Regular CCTV cameras aren't going to get good pictures of your face or its 3D geometry, nor did you give your consent for them to put your face from that footage in a database, whereas if you let them scan you then they take that as consent for facial processing.
all of that's over their pay grade, TSA agents are just trying to get the line moving.
Or they were instructed to say that by someone who is at that pay grade.
A decade ago I came back to the USA from a brief stay in France. In Orlando airport there was a machine that rose up from the floor to my head height and scanned my face. It was one of the creepiest things I've ever seen a machine do.
The TSA openly lies about what they do. The last time I checked, they still have those signs up in airports saying their scanner machines can't store or transmit images, when it ends up their RFP specified that they be able to do both those things. When confronted, they admitted that the ability does exist, but totally only in testing mode, so I'm sure they're telling the truth this time. The signs still say the ability does not exist years later. I believe the sample image they show is also misleadingly poor and leaked images show that it's much closer to taking naked pictures than they admit.
I believe the images the officers see now are just illustrated figures with areas of them highlighted. But the actual data the machines produce can be assembled into naked-looking images, so potentially they are still generating such images and sending them to a database somewhere.
If you signed up for TSA Precheck or Global Crossing to bypass the security line, you’re required to get your face scanned and that’s your “ID” to pass.
Because they have been. They announced they were going to do this back in 2017
If anyone here still flies at all after the last five years, how many more warning signs do you need?
Unfortunately there isn't much alternative when traveling long distances. In the past people managed just fine spending their whole lives within a 7 mile radius but now everything has spread out due to the invention of trains, cars and airplanes. Sucks to be you if you have business trips or family to visit abroad.
Dropped someone off at the airport over the holidays. The little airport was in chaos because they hadn't been able to get any flights off the ground for days prior due to weather.
In response, they had quadrupled the usual flight runs to alleviate the backlog.
I came into the terminal & waited with the passenger to see if they'd actually get out today. At check-in, there was a jogger & a flatfaced fat female chink next to the desk holding clipboards that I assumed were grounds crew.
We took a seat & watched the prop planes getting loaded (small airport, board passengers directly from the tarmac).
For the next hour, we watched the inept ground crew fiddle around with the plane in front of us, taking luggage on/off the plane multiple times. Then the jogger & the frying pan chink got on the plane into the cockpit & started taxiing away. I was really hoping to see another White man actually board, but no one else ever came. These prop planes are small enough that there's not even a stewardess. The chink would've been operating as both flight attendant & first mate.
My passenger thankfully was another flight. But it was a cold dose of reality between seeing all the memes online about DEI air disasters & influencers checking for white elbows in the cockpit upon boarding. To suddenly witnessing diversity showing up at your very runway.
They’ve been doing facial recognition photos for at least a couple years now and I never had to submit a photo or do any sort of special scan at any point ever. They just already had it from a passport or drivers license or whatever espionage they already had. So I guess I can sit back and be angry if I want, but this isn’t changing any data the government already has. I’m not going to be so naive to assume they don’t have anything on my DNA either.
Let’s just face it, if the government really wants us, they will get us.
There's a difference between a flat low resolution passport photo and your 3D face. They want all the 3D geometry in high resolution and any other data they can get their hands on, preferably with your consent to store and use it, which they are now taking as implied by use of an airport. Getting DNA tied to people's identities is also hard to do in large numbers, but using airports will make it easy. We must resist the incremental erosion of our freedoms or there will be nothing left to fight for.
I’m just saying it’s not new at least regarding the face. It’s been going on at least two years if not longer at large airports. That picture of the white guy in the black backpack in the article is of existing reality that’s exactly what it looks like. I don’t know how they obtained my face otherwise, but they already had it by virtue of having used their facial recognition on me prior to me having provided it to them.
So you're saying that emp's at data vaults is the only solution?
Feeling like I'm in the same boat, friend. Not sure if boats will even get around this.
It's either that or letting every 3rd worlder back in under a new name (like Europe does).
You can have 3rd-world-proof ID or criminals with half a dozen aliases as is normal in Europe.
Stop handing out free stuff and migration ceases to be a problem
Never gonna happen, they'll sooner crash and burn the whole thing. Source cited: Europe
Literally this. Mass immigration is an artificial 'problem'.
Yeah low trust society requires low trust solutions. UK eggs on foreign violence, while using any right leaning reaction to it as justification for even more Big Brother crap
They'll just use state-sponsored dinghies. You need to take down HIAS and the rest of the ((NGOs)) running them.
We already have a solution to that, we just refuse to use it
Collect DNA? So TSA will give a happy ending with their fondles?
"Unexplained surge in visiting foreigners."
Its for your safety, if you disagree youre a muzzierussiachicartel haji.
i fully support foreigners being catalogued before entry. hell, put gps trackers on them that will detonate if removed improperly.
they are not citizens and are not entitled to the standards of a citizen.
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