Trump and Vance destroyed themselves over this, for no reason. Very sad.
Also, it's fucking wild that Howard Lutnick started showing up fucking everywhere once this Epstein shit kicked off. They're rubbing it in all of our faces. And it's wild he's always so expressive and willing to laugh and stuff. Most people who are around POTUS don't act like that.
It's got to be a humiliation ritual. Epstein's neighbor (among other connections) suddenly got shoved into the spotlight when Trump started lying to our faces. Miss me with that BULLSHIT.
I can't get over how badly all this was handled. And then we had Trump's personal lawyer interviewing Jizzlane, to clear things up, but they won't release the transcript. It's like they're intentionally trying to blow up everything. It's hard to come up with a scenario where they fuck it up worse.
The Epstein saga implicates both big players in the Democrats and the Republicans, due to the long association Epstein had with various intelligence services. First the CIA was in bed with the Republicans, then they were in bed with the Democrats. Epstein made routine visits to Bill Clinton's White House. At least one of Trump's big donors will get exposed. Trump himself will probably be not.
Never said he will be, and I agree he's probably not involved.
It's not about Trump, or even Epstein. It's about the corruption in the government as a whole, and how they can seemingly make everyone dance on their strings.
This wouldn't be an issue, if Trump hadn't made it one, and then totally failed to deliver. In some ways I appreciate it. They're showing everyone just how fake and controlled everything is, and that exposure is something to celebrate.
Still, all he had to do to deflect this was to claim that the evidence had been tampered with during JoePedo's term and was no longer admissible in court. If he'd just done that, everyone currently angry at Trump over Epstein would be angry at the previous administration instead. What a botch calling it a hoax was. Unless, of course, it was intentional to throw away Congress in the midterms.
Or even just be sympathetic with the people wanting the release, if he had said something like "I know it's disappointing, but the evidence we have in the Epstein case does not implicate anyone else", sure plenty of people (like myself) wouldn't believe it, or at least would only be willing to believe that the files were destroyed or tampered with, but no one (besides the usual suspects) would blame Trump over it. His whole "If you want the Epstein files released then you're a traitor and I spurn you!!!" is just making it seem like he's trying to cover something up.
No, he's probably just following orders to end and bury it.
Politicians on both sides and many extremely wealthy people aren't going to allow themselves to be exposed as having had sex with minors as soon as the opportunity was presented to them.
He's doing a horrible job of burying it. Not because of malicious compliance though, but most likely because his bombastic "offense is the best defense" style only works when you're telling the truth.
There is no way Trump ever stops caring about public opinion, regardless of what he does. It's endemic to his personality. This is a blunt and thoughtless mafia order from Israel, probably the most obvious in the history of the country.
Vance hasn't destroyed himself as far as I'm concerned. That's why he's stayed basically silent on the issue. He's been completely over-ruled.
The fact that Ghislaine is still being interviewed, and congressional Republicans are still issuing subpoenas tells me that there is still an effort to work on this, but not in front of Trump's face.
This has become Trump's new 'operation Warpspeed' in that he's too stubborn to admit he's wrong and thanks to Isreal popping up SO much for the past month, many are suspecting it's THOSE ties causing this reaction with Mossad's close ties to Epstein.
The biggest ones tainted by this beyond Trump is Pam Bondi, as at this point she HAS to be corrupt with not only how she's handled this but ALL her assignments. Kash Patel is next but that one I can think is more he bit off more than he can chew as ever since he and Dan got in, they seem to have this look in interviews, a kind of 'the shit I've seen' kind of look implying the corruption is way worse than we imagined.
The most of the rest of the admin seem to have escaped this as Vance seems to be maintaining distance whenever Trump says shit like this, Homan is busy deporting, Tulsi did so good with Russiagate, many want HER to take the lead on Epstein because of how much intelligence services are implicated and RFK Jr....we're letting him do his thing slowly getting rid of all the pollutants in food, medicine and agriculture.
The only reason I am 99% sure he isn't PERSONALLY involved in Epstein is because the establishment would've used that against way before they tried to assassinate him. I would think blackmailing him for being a pedo is MUCH easier than trying to kill him at a rally being mysteriously the first one livestreamed by mainstream media....
I do think that he is connected through affiliation with the obvious one being Isreal but there was some links to the original cover up in 2007 of Epstein and Pam Bondi...
I wasn't talking about Trump being a pedo. He's actively trying to sweep the entire matter under the rug. What does that tell us? Considering he's also very big on protecting Israel at any cost who is the most likely candidate for being the boss of Epstein.
The only reason I am 99% sure he isn't PERSONALLY involved in Epstein is because the establishment would've used that against way before they tried to assassinate him.
Nah, if he was personally involved then that leverage would have been used right after Trump's first inauguration to turn him into a compliant establishment republican.
I don't believe he is, I believe he's downplaying it to protect israel and jews in general. The left is already foaming at the mouth in open hostility because of the conflict in gaza, should it become publicly acknowledged that mossad was sexually trafficking children to gather blackmail material on important US political figures, the right would jump in.
Trump being "in on it" is a retarded idea. If you're "in" on a child sex ring, you don't talk about it. There is no scenario where people who are molesting children in a blackmail operation talk about exposing it.
If he was trying to cover it up, he'd act like everyone else trying to cover it up, not mentioning it.
What's noteworthy is not that he's trying to cover it up, it's that he now trying to cover it up. Something happened that wasn't a factor beforehand. Something that had a larger affect on him than being arrested/jailed and attempted assassination.
I don't know what that is and I don't really have an opinion on it because no evidence I have makes any sense in any narrative.
I don't think there any piece of information that you could show any of us here that would make us switch to "Actually this is now worth ignoring and moving on from"
Have you ever seen a dog bark and bark and bark and bark outside of a gate at some other dog, and then someone actually opens the gate and the dog shuts the fuck up?
Honestly, I think Russiagate could be a back-door into the Epstein files.
If we know how corrupt the DOJ, FBI, and CIA were during that time, then we also know that they probably corrupted the investigation into Epstein. I don't doubt that someone in the FBI may have worked to try and manufacture fake Epstein-Trump evidence to keep Trump from prosecuting further, and that's probably what he's seeing as 'the hoax'. However, if they can implicate that investigation, they can look back into a legitimate investigation.
Let's be honest, we always knew that this was going to be mixed bag. I'll take what good I can of his work and hold my nose on the other stuff which is admittedly pretty bad.
I think in the long run him and others are going to be harshly judged on topics relating to Israel which is kind of funny in itself considering how the media is always attempting to reposition itself. Like they matter anymore to anyone who has working cognitive function.
Oh we have lots of choices. Come midterms, we could vote for Democrats or independents. Hell, we can write in Mickey Mouse for every vote if we want to.
I'm not sure what my choice will be, but it will never go to another god damn traitor Republican.
Cmon be serious, voting independent or not voting I can understand but voting for dems after covid, the illegals, guns etc is insane. We all knew Israel ran the country before this Epstein stuff and dems are also controlled by Israel so how would voting for them make any sense?
Only the establishment wing, which is quickly being run out of the party. If Republicans continue to insist on selling our country to Israel, then Democrat dominance in the future is inevitable. The "lesser evil" argument doesn't work on me anymore.
Regardless of what Democrats are doing, if my choice is between subjugation to Israel and burning down western civilization, I will be metaphorically breaking out the anarchist's cookbook and mixing up some napalm. Fuck Israel, and fuck their puppets in the GOP. They are all dead to me.
Trump and Vance destroyed themselves over this, for no reason. Very sad.
Also, it's fucking wild that Howard Lutnick started showing up fucking everywhere once this Epstein shit kicked off. They're rubbing it in all of our faces. And it's wild he's always so expressive and willing to laugh and stuff. Most people who are around POTUS don't act like that.
It's got to be a humiliation ritual. Epstein's neighbor (among other connections) suddenly got shoved into the spotlight when Trump started lying to our faces. Miss me with that BULLSHIT.
I can't get over how badly all this was handled. And then we had Trump's personal lawyer interviewing Jizzlane, to clear things up, but they won't release the transcript. It's like they're intentionally trying to blow up everything. It's hard to come up with a scenario where they fuck it up worse.
The Epstein saga implicates both big players in the Democrats and the Republicans, due to the long association Epstein had with various intelligence services. First the CIA was in bed with the Republicans, then they were in bed with the Democrats. Epstein made routine visits to Bill Clinton's White House. At least one of Trump's big donors will get exposed. Trump himself will probably be not.
Never said he will be, and I agree he's probably not involved.
It's not about Trump, or even Epstein. It's about the corruption in the government as a whole, and how they can seemingly make everyone dance on their strings.
This wouldn't be an issue, if Trump hadn't made it one, and then totally failed to deliver. In some ways I appreciate it. They're showing everyone just how fake and controlled everything is, and that exposure is something to celebrate.
Still, all he had to do to deflect this was to claim that the evidence had been tampered with during JoePedo's term and was no longer admissible in court. If he'd just done that, everyone currently angry at Trump over Epstein would be angry at the previous administration instead. What a botch calling it a hoax was. Unless, of course, it was intentional to throw away Congress in the midterms.
Or even just be sympathetic with the people wanting the release, if he had said something like "I know it's disappointing, but the evidence we have in the Epstein case does not implicate anyone else", sure plenty of people (like myself) wouldn't believe it, or at least would only be willing to believe that the files were destroyed or tampered with, but no one (besides the usual suspects) would blame Trump over it. His whole "If you want the Epstein files released then you're a traitor and I spurn you!!!" is just making it seem like he's trying to cover something up.
No, he's probably just following orders to end and bury it.
Politicians on both sides and many extremely wealthy people aren't going to allow themselves to be exposed as having had sex with minors as soon as the opportunity was presented to them.
He's doing a horrible job of burying it. Not because of malicious compliance though, but most likely because his bombastic "offense is the best defense" style only works when you're telling the truth.
He's pretty much succeeded in burying it legally.
As for public opinion: either he's failing at it or he stopped caring long ago.
There is no way Trump ever stops caring about public opinion, regardless of what he does. It's endemic to his personality. This is a blunt and thoughtless mafia order from Israel, probably the most obvious in the history of the country.
Is it? It could easily be from the suckers that fell for the honeytrap.
The honeytrap itself was run by Jews. So there you go. Also many of the clients were rich Jews.
Vance hasn't destroyed himself as far as I'm concerned. That's why he's stayed basically silent on the issue. He's been completely over-ruled.
The fact that Ghislaine is still being interviewed, and congressional Republicans are still issuing subpoenas tells me that there is still an effort to work on this, but not in front of Trump's face.
This has become Trump's new 'operation Warpspeed' in that he's too stubborn to admit he's wrong and thanks to Isreal popping up SO much for the past month, many are suspecting it's THOSE ties causing this reaction with Mossad's close ties to Epstein.
The biggest ones tainted by this beyond Trump is Pam Bondi, as at this point she HAS to be corrupt with not only how she's handled this but ALL her assignments. Kash Patel is next but that one I can think is more he bit off more than he can chew as ever since he and Dan got in, they seem to have this look in interviews, a kind of 'the shit I've seen' kind of look implying the corruption is way worse than we imagined.
The most of the rest of the admin seem to have escaped this as Vance seems to be maintaining distance whenever Trump says shit like this, Homan is busy deporting, Tulsi did so good with Russiagate, many want HER to take the lead on Epstein because of how much intelligence services are implicated and RFK Jr....we're letting him do his thing slowly getting rid of all the pollutants in food, medicine and agriculture.
Do you honestly still think Trump isn't in on it? I understand giving the benefit of the doubt but this goes far beyond that at this point.
The only reason I am 99% sure he isn't PERSONALLY involved in Epstein is because the establishment would've used that against way before they tried to assassinate him. I would think blackmailing him for being a pedo is MUCH easier than trying to kill him at a rally being mysteriously the first one livestreamed by mainstream media....
I do think that he is connected through affiliation with the obvious one being Isreal but there was some links to the original cover up in 2007 of Epstein and Pam Bondi...
I wasn't talking about Trump being a pedo. He's actively trying to sweep the entire matter under the rug. What does that tell us? Considering he's also very big on protecting Israel at any cost who is the most likely candidate for being the boss of Epstein.
That's why I mentioned Israel, it's either them through him or this is more Pam Bondi and Trump's ego is making it hard to just fire her.
Nah, if he was personally involved then that leverage would have been used right after Trump's first inauguration to turn him into a compliant establishment republican.
I don't believe he is, I believe he's downplaying it to protect israel and jews in general. The left is already foaming at the mouth in open hostility because of the conflict in gaza, should it become publicly acknowledged that mossad was sexually trafficking children to gather blackmail material on important US political figures, the right would jump in.
And that's why I think he knows what he's doing and isn't just a retarded moron.
Yeah, but that means he's putting the interests of israel above those of Americans, which is worse than if he were retarded.
Trump being "in on it" is a retarded idea. If you're "in" on a child sex ring, you don't talk about it. There is no scenario where people who are molesting children in a blackmail operation talk about exposing it.
He's actively trying to cover it up. Doesn't matter if he personally diddled kids.
If he was trying to cover it up, he'd act like everyone else trying to cover it up, not mentioning it.
What's noteworthy is not that he's trying to cover it up, it's that he now trying to cover it up. Something happened that wasn't a factor beforehand. Something that had a larger affect on him than being arrested/jailed and attempted assassination.
I don't know what that is and I don't really have an opinion on it because no evidence I have makes any sense in any narrative.
I don't think there any piece of information that you could show any of us here that would make us switch to "Actually this is now worth ignoring and moving on from"
It's Trump though. Trump is incapable of simply shutting up. That's not in his nature.
It's quite simple. Epstein worked for Israel and Trump is subservient to Israel.
Have you ever seen a dog bark and bark and bark and bark outside of a gate at some other dog, and then someone actually opens the gate and the dog shuts the fuck up?
Honestly, I think Russiagate could be a back-door into the Epstein files.
If we know how corrupt the DOJ, FBI, and CIA were during that time, then we also know that they probably corrupted the investigation into Epstein. I don't doubt that someone in the FBI may have worked to try and manufacture fake Epstein-Trump evidence to keep Trump from prosecuting further, and that's probably what he's seeing as 'the hoax'. However, if they can implicate that investigation, they can look back into a legitimate investigation.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a politician misread - and then subsequently abuse - his own base this badly.
Is this even a misreading? I find it hard to believe he actually thinks people will buy this. The whole situation reeks of coercion.
Faith lost.
Go fuck yourself, Trump.
Let's be honest, we always knew that this was going to be mixed bag. I'll take what good I can of his work and hold my nose on the other stuff which is admittedly pretty bad.
I think in the long run him and others are going to be harshly judged on topics relating to Israel which is kind of funny in itself considering how the media is always attempting to reposition itself. Like they matter anymore to anyone who has working cognitive function.
Yes, he’s MIGA. But what other choice do you have?
Oh we have lots of choices. Come midterms, we could vote for Democrats or independents. Hell, we can write in Mickey Mouse for every vote if we want to.
I'm not sure what my choice will be, but it will never go to another god damn traitor Republican.
Cmon be serious, voting independent or not voting I can understand but voting for dems after covid, the illegals, guns etc is insane. We all knew Israel ran the country before this Epstein stuff and dems are also controlled by Israel so how would voting for them make any sense?
Only the establishment wing, which is quickly being run out of the party. If Republicans continue to insist on selling our country to Israel, then Democrat dominance in the future is inevitable. The "lesser evil" argument doesn't work on me anymore.
Regardless of what Democrats are doing, if my choice is between subjugation to Israel and burning down western civilization, I will be metaphorically breaking out the anarchist's cookbook and mixing up some napalm. Fuck Israel, and fuck their puppets in the GOP. They are all dead to me.