The Catholic church doesn't acknowledge it as idolatry? Well goddamn, case closed then! Now let's see what they acknowledge about all the priests raping kids. I guess if they just ignore it, it's not true/not happening!
There are dozens of videos of Catholics parading with idols of Christ or Mary. The local Catholic Church has a festival every year, where a Filipino congregation does exactly that.
I don't mean representations of Christ, I mean specific statures or figures thought to have holy power.
"Thou shalt not bow before any graven image" or however it goes.
Then they split the tenth into two--"thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions"--to bring the total back to ten.
What? We removed nothing. No commandments, and no books of The Bible ;-)
There are 13 or so imperative (command) statements in exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. The Catholics (and some mainline prots from my understanding) draw more from Deuteronomy. The numbering of the verses of The Bible is new remember, the verses weren't distinct the way they are now, so with 13 apparent command statements, you'll need to find some way decide which belong together to make 10. If you want to rely on sola scriptura instead of the church fathers and tradition for this, then go ahead (because it's not a matter of dogma I don't think), go decide for yourself how those should be organised, without reference to any other list or tradition, which should be grouped together. Particularly without the verse numbering. Read it and see for yourself.
They even removed one of the Ten Commandments.
"Thou shalt not bow before any graven image" or however it goes.
No, in the catholic understanding it is all a part of the first commandment, from Deuteronomy5:6-10. It's not removed, it's merged in and counted as a part of that. Same as how you 'removed' lusting and coveting someone's wife. You merged it into your 10th, under all covetousness, for property too.
Then they split the tenth into two--"thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's possessions"--to bring the total back to ten.
No, it's wife and possessions. If we're numbering and ordering these to create a list of 10, wife and possessions seem a bit different to me, different sins, and following from the 6th and 7th commandments to not steal and not commit adultery, the 9th and 10th are to not even be envious or have lust for those things. They're seperate in the 6th and 7th, makes sense to be seperate in the 9th and 10th too to me. If it were house vs possessions, you might have a point and it would look like two very closely related things had been separated into two commandments. But no, the wife and possessions are quite distinct in my view. I think the Lutherans do it that way, with them separating out house and possessions. Seems weird, I agree. But if you take issue with them doing that, that's not us, go take it up with Luthor (who at least also put the idolatry in as part of the first commandment btw)
But also, it's not dogma, nothing is 'set in stone' on this as it were (heh). The other methods of listing them can be valid. It's more just the shorthand way we teach and memorise it.
Oh and it's 'murder', not 'kill'. Why did you change that?
Well, now we know you of all people really shouldn't rely on just your own reading, because you've taken a completely inverted meaning from this simple thing I wrote.
My point is that a sola scriptura reading of it doesn't tell you how to organise this list of 10 commandments, there are more than 10 imperatives. I was open to it here though, I said go ahead and try. On this matter, it's all a load of tradition that isn't held as dogma. My point is that to insist on your list, you're not relying on a plain reading, you're relying on a different American(?) tradition that you can't even fully remember.
They even removed one of the Ten Commandments.
"Thou shalt not bow before any graven image" or however it goes.
And accusing Catholics of holding a tradition that they do not hold, and one we aren't dogmatic about.
Then they split the tenth into two--"thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions"--to bring the total back to ten.
I don't know where you think you read any of this, but being so wrong about scripture and faith traditions like that doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in a sola scriptura approach.
The Bible is a fair bit longer than even 2,612 characters. You're really not helping your case for you being capable of a sola scriptura approach if you can't manage so much as 410 or so words in a refutation.
Did you want a 280 character limit here, like twitter or something?
And yes, simple. I ran it through a Flesch-Kincaid tool for you:
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level: 7.1
Flesch Reading Ease Score: 72.4
Reading Level: 7th grade ( Fairly easy to read )
If you need simpler, please tell me what grade level you need and I'll try to accommodate word it all simple like.
This is technically true, although I don't know why Cernovich is bringing this up and I don't know the exact numbers on these weirdos. I have older Evangelical members of my family who really do believe Catholics are secret pagans (the Catholic Church is the rebooted Roman empire, blah blah, they really worship Mary, blah blah). These same family members are all in for Israel. I don't know how big this movement is though, and I have the suspicion this was mostly a boomer thing.
The part about saying Catholics worship idols is true.
The part about "believe Catholics deserve to be killed" is false to an absurd degree. The only reference that's vaguely reasonable is some evangelicals thinking Catholics aren't saved, but you can find Catholics saying the same about evangelicals.
Yeah. Catholics are damnclose to worshipping Mary, despite their protestations to the contrary. I mean, look at this stuff:
Hail holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, Our life(?!), our sweetness, and our hope.(?!)
My Queen, My Mother(?!) I offer myself entirely to thee.(?!) I offer thee this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart,(?!) my whole being without reserve.(?!)
O Mother of God, Immaculate Mary, to thee do I dedicate my body and soul,(?!) all my prayers(?!) and deeds
From now on my only desire is to do all things with thee, through thee, and for thee(?!).
And it goes on. Sure, they do often then go on to mention Jesus, but...
That said, nobody thinks Catholics deserve to die.
What's with the downvotes? I can't imagine any context where offering ones self to Mary, a fellow human being, the way you would to God makes any sense.
Nobody said it was the text of the Salve Regina, though as you pointed out, the first quote is close. I said that the different prayers I quoted are damn near worship, and so is calling her things like "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God.," and I stand by it.
Praying for an intercession on behalf of a saint is not "worship." You ask them to pray to God for you. I swear this place isn't so far from its Reddit roots sometimes.
The stuff I quoted absolutely is damn near worship. Calling her things like "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God" are the same. I'm sorry, but they are.
She is the mother of God, and her virtue is without question, but holy as she may be there is only one God, present in the Heavenly Father as well as His only begotten Son Christ Jesus.
"Queen of Heaven" is more of an honorific, like calling St. Michael "Prince of the Heavenly Host."
Mary is not "another" divinity anymore than St. Paul was.
As was discussed elsewhere, that title is misleading and unnecessary, as is "Queen of Heaven." If you were setting out to heretically worship her, the terminology would hardly be any different. It's a big red flag.
It's not a baffling claim, it's a common protestant refrain against Catholics going back centuries. They view veneration of saints and the Virgin Mother as idolatry.
That's the claim anyway. In reality it's just another Reformation Wars post facto trope used to justify sectarianism. I don't know of any sect that actually believes this outside of Orthodox denominations(who themselves are just a different flavor of Catholic), but that's part and parcel of their own theological austerity.
In reality if you believe that there even can be such a thing as a saint, or that Mary was a real person(and if you don't you aren't a Christian anyway), then the logical progression is that they are closer to God than you are, and thus asking them for intercession and advocacy for you makes sense.
In reality if you believe that there even can be such a thing as a saint, or that Mary was a real person(and if you don't you aren't a Christian anyway), then the logical progression is that they are closer to God than you are, and thus asking them for intercession and advocacy for you makes sense.
The temple veil was torn. Jesus' death was the ultimate intercession for all. To treat His earthly mother as an extra step between us and God is superfluous at best, and downright demeaning to His sacrifice at worst.
Have you never had anyone else say they'll pray for you? Have you never heard of the concept of say, praying as a group? That whole church thing is kind of based around the concept after all.
If your take on this is accurate then why pray at all I suppose, if it's a foregone conclusion?
Or, hear me out, perhaps it isn't unreasonable to ask the honored dead in Heaven to look out for you too.
How in the world do you get "I don't need to talk to God because it's a foregone conclusion" from "I am capable of talking directly to God without needing any other intercession than what He has provided me." What kind of nonsense is that?
There is praying for others, and then there is praying to build your own relationship with Him. You can ask the dead for all the prayers you want. But if you're building statues to pray to them and dedicating your body, soul and deeds to Mary, I'm going to say that you're literally putting these things between you and God. Idolatry.
Maybe, but that's not really the point. If I went up to my friend (or even a priest) and said, "Hey bro, can you pray for me? You are my life and my hope, bro. I offer you my heart and my whole being without reserve, bro. I dedicate all my prayers and deeds to you, bro. My only desire is to do all things through you and for you, bro. So please pray for me."
... well, that would be pretty unusual, wouldn't it?
I'm not trying to hate on my frens here, I'm really not (and frens you guys certainly are). We've all been through a lot together, and I'm very grateful for it. I just think the Protestants have a rock-solid point here.
You don't think a little old timey ritualized speech is warranted there?
Nevermind that the vast, vast majority of the nonsense people quote here in their claims is not at all part of say, the Rosary, or any Catholic act of prayer or intercession. Half of it is deliberate mistranslation and the rest is lies. Par for the course when dealing with anyone quoting the King James (heavily revised)Bible.
But you're asking a favor of the Holy Mother for crying out loud. It's not out of line to show a little respect.
As for the saints, which is what I was talking about to begin with, are you seriously about to tell me that saying "Saint Stephen, pray for us sinners" or any variation thereof is out of line?
I think the terms "Mother of Christ" or "Mother of God" are misleading, for one. Sure, you can make the case that they are technically accurate, but they definitely imply that Mary was somehow before God, or literally brought Him into being. I realize that they are not supposed to imply that, but they do.
At any rate, it would be one thing (if unnecessary) to say, "Blessed Mary, please pray for me. I need the help of Jesus." I think it's entirely another to say, "I dedicate my heart and deeds to you."
Yeah there's a weird heretical trend in and from America that thinks Catholics are idolatrous at best. Some will claim we are isis and devil worshipers.
The old Chick tracts were full of it.
It's not that much of a stretch to then want war with rome. Or to be largely indifferent to what you see as satanic temples getting hit in a righteous holy war when you love the country of isreal so much because of your dispensationalist beliefs.
Is every prot like that? No. But there's a weird evangelical american strain that certainly is.
HOWEVER, my problem with Catholics is that they trust the institution of the Catholic Church to know basically anything about God, and that they invented the very concept of Social Justice.
Sorry, but I'd rather live under the yoke of Protestantism instead of Catholicism. Better chance of having a free and happy life.
It's not the Church of Peter, and it hasn't been for a long time.
Catholicism literally requires people to believe the Pope is infallible. The fact the previous one (and likely his successor) was a dedicated Communist changes nothing about this, and continues to show that institutions can be very easily captured by Leftists because Leftists themselves are collectivists and institutionalists.
I don't believe Jesus is even divine. The church of Jesus died with him. After that it was the Church of Paul and Peter. Currently, it is the church of homosexual marxists.
I'm just telling you that fully human institutions, like the Catholic Church, are never infallible, and always corruptible, and have been for centuries.
That's fine, keep sucking Muslim toes in the Catholic Church. I'm sure totally based Catholicism will win the day since it's not possible for institutions to be captured.
I'm sorry, but the last Pope was a Communist Muslim Toe Sucker who did literally all the same shit and allowed Notre Dame to be burned down, had no issues with the mass burnings of Catholic churches in the west, and even was tepid on Catholics being targeted in a Canadian Red Terror.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't get to act like the people who founded Social Justice aren't horribly infiltrated.
I’m not trying to convert you to Christianity, I am simply saying that no matter what Catholics say, when you look at it objectively, Catholicism is just the old religion of Tammuz with Christian names on it, and some fresh books added to the Bible hundreds of years later to help justify the Mary/Ishtar connection.
I hope every Catholic is one day saved and turns to Jesus.
I don't know what this guy is talking about and I have no idea why he would lie like this. Especially after years of schizo Catholic adult converts promoting the medieval theocracy. Very weird post.
edit: I think I know what's going on now. The Babylon Bee editor, an evangelical, is covering up for Israeli crimes again (this time shooting the top off a Palestinian Catholic church) and Cernovich chose to bandwagon by attacking all evangelicals for some reason.
It's due to the recent bombing in Gaza, where the catholic church was hit. Apparently, some Protestants were thankful it was Catholics were hit, and not Christians. That's what I gathered going through it.
At most, I've only heard people say Catholics aren't saved, and that's been two or 3 people in my life.
Yeah the particular evangelicals he's talking about don't even really want Catholics dead. They'll just contort, lie or do pretty much anything to justify their own chosen idol's actions.
Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, is an official dogma. Then Vatican 2 came and broke the Oath Against Modernism. Fulfilling the prophecy of Fatima. Apostasy will start from the top.
Catholics do worship idols but I don't know a single person that claims they deserve to die
You certainly do Mr. Pray to the Dead. But you're welcome
The Catholic church doesn't acknowledge it as idolatry? Well goddamn, case closed then! Now let's see what they acknowledge about all the priests raping kids. I guess if they just ignore it, it's not true/not happening!
Yeah, that hasn't really been a thing since the 17th century.
There are dozens of videos of Catholics parading with idols of Christ or Mary. The local Catholic Church has a festival every year, where a Filipino congregation does exactly that.
I don't mean representations of Christ, I mean specific statures or figures thought to have holy power.
I was referring to the second half of the sentence, killing Catholics specifically for being Catholic.
Only one I can think of who was that extreme was Jack Chick and nobody knows if he was even real.
I don't recall Chick ever advocating for killing them, he just said they were wrong.
Not even in Ireland?
True, but denomination is a proxy for politics in Northern Ireland, so they weren't killing each other over doctrinal differences.
They even removed one of the Ten Commandments.
"Thou shalt not bow before any graven image" or however it goes.
Then they split the tenth into two--"thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house" and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions"--to bring the total back to ten.
What? We removed nothing. No commandments, and no books of The Bible ;-)
There are 13 or so imperative (command) statements in exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. The Catholics (and some mainline prots from my understanding) draw more from Deuteronomy. The numbering of the verses of The Bible is new remember, the verses weren't distinct the way they are now, so with 13 apparent command statements, you'll need to find some way decide which belong together to make 10. If you want to rely on sola scriptura instead of the church fathers and tradition for this, then go ahead (because it's not a matter of dogma I don't think), go decide for yourself how those should be organised, without reference to any other list or tradition, which should be grouped together. Particularly without the verse numbering. Read it and see for yourself.
No, in the catholic understanding it is all a part of the first commandment, from Deuteronomy5:6-10. It's not removed, it's merged in and counted as a part of that. Same as how you 'removed' lusting and coveting someone's wife. You merged it into your 10th, under all covetousness, for property too.
No, it's wife and possessions. If we're numbering and ordering these to create a list of 10, wife and possessions seem a bit different to me, different sins, and following from the 6th and 7th commandments to not steal and not commit adultery, the 9th and 10th are to not even be envious or have lust for those things. They're seperate in the 6th and 7th, makes sense to be seperate in the 9th and 10th too to me. If it were house vs possessions, you might have a point and it would look like two very closely related things had been separated into two commandments. But no, the wife and possessions are quite distinct in my view. I think the Lutherans do it that way, with them separating out house and possessions. Seems weird, I agree. But if you take issue with them doing that, that's not us, go take it up with Luthor (who at least also put the idolatry in as part of the first commandment btw)
But also, it's not dogma, nothing is 'set in stone' on this as it were (heh). The other methods of listing them can be valid. It's more just the shorthand way we teach and memorise it.
Oh and it's 'murder', not 'kill'. Why did you change that?
Also Christ is the new covenant, so the OT is almost all prologue/commentary.
There it is
Well, now we know you of all people really shouldn't rely on just your own reading, because you've taken a completely inverted meaning from this simple thing I wrote.
My point is that a sola scriptura reading of it doesn't tell you how to organise this list of 10 commandments, there are more than 10 imperatives. I was open to it here though, I said go ahead and try. On this matter, it's all a load of tradition that isn't held as dogma. My point is that to insist on your list, you're not relying on a plain reading, you're relying on a different American(?) tradition that you can't even fully remember.
And accusing Catholics of holding a tradition that they do not hold, and one we aren't dogmatic about.
I don't know where you think you read any of this, but being so wrong about scripture and faith traditions like that doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in a sola scriptura approach.
The Bible is a fair bit longer than even 2,612 characters. You're really not helping your case for you being capable of a sola scriptura approach if you can't manage so much as 410 or so words in a refutation.
Did you want a 280 character limit here, like twitter or something?
And yes, simple. I ran it through a Flesch-Kincaid tool for you:
If you need simpler, please tell me what grade level you need and I'll try to
accommodateword it all simple like.Sola Scriptura is cringe
They didn't remove it, the just combine it with the "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", instead of separate them like Eastern Orthodox.
We worship only God.
This is technically true, although I don't know why Cernovich is bringing this up and I don't know the exact numbers on these weirdos. I have older Evangelical members of my family who really do believe Catholics are secret pagans (the Catholic Church is the rebooted Roman empire, blah blah, they really worship Mary, blah blah). These same family members are all in for Israel. I don't know how big this movement is though, and I have the suspicion this was mostly a boomer thing.
The part about saying Catholics worship idols is true.
The part about "believe Catholics deserve to be killed" is false to an absurd degree. The only reference that's vaguely reasonable is some evangelicals thinking Catholics aren't saved, but you can find Catholics saying the same about evangelicals.
Yeah. Catholics are damn close to worshipping Mary, despite their protestations to the contrary. I mean, look at this stuff:
And it goes on. Sure, they do often then go on to mention Jesus, but...
That said, nobody thinks Catholics deserve to die.
What's with the downvotes? I can't imagine any context where offering ones self to Mary, a fellow human being, the way you would to God makes any sense.
Because it's a lie. That's not the text of the Salve Regina, only the first few words are even close.
I said this before and it bears repeating here. Whatever that nonsense is or pretends to be, or whatever pamphlet he got it from, it is not Catholic.
Nobody said it was the text of the Salve Regina, though as you pointed out, the first quote is close. I said that the different prayers I quoted are damn near worship, and so is calling her things like "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God.," and I stand by it.
Those aren't prayers. Knock off the sophistry.
And I'm engaging in sophistry? OK then.
Praying for an intercession on behalf of a saint is not "worship." You ask them to pray to God for you. I swear this place isn't so far from its Reddit roots sometimes.
The stuff I quoted absolutely is damn near worship. Calling her things like "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God" are the same. I'm sorry, but they are.
She is the mother of God, and her virtue is without question, but holy as she may be there is only one God, present in the Heavenly Father as well as His only begotten Son Christ Jesus.
"Queen of Heaven" is more of an honorific, like calling St. Michael "Prince of the Heavenly Host."
Mary is not "another" divinity anymore than St. Paul was.
As was discussed elsewhere, that title is misleading and unnecessary, as is "Queen of Heaven." If you were setting out to heretically worship her, the terminology would hardly be any different. It's a big red flag.
It's not a baffling claim, it's a common protestant refrain against Catholics going back centuries. They view veneration of saints and the Virgin Mother as idolatry.
That's the claim anyway. In reality it's just another Reformation Wars post facto trope used to justify sectarianism. I don't know of any sect that actually believes this outside of Orthodox denominations(who themselves are just a different flavor of Catholic), but that's part and parcel of their own theological austerity.
In reality if you believe that there even can be such a thing as a saint, or that Mary was a real person(and if you don't you aren't a Christian anyway), then the logical progression is that they are closer to God than you are, and thus asking them for intercession and advocacy for you makes sense.
The temple veil was torn. Jesus' death was the ultimate intercession for all. To treat His earthly mother as an extra step between us and God is superfluous at best, and downright demeaning to His sacrifice at worst.
Nobody said this.
Have you never had anyone else say they'll pray for you? Have you never heard of the concept of say, praying as a group? That whole church thing is kind of based around the concept after all.
If your take on this is accurate then why pray at all I suppose, if it's a foregone conclusion?
Or, hear me out, perhaps it isn't unreasonable to ask the honored dead in Heaven to look out for you too.
How in the world do you get "I don't need to talk to God because it's a foregone conclusion" from "I am capable of talking directly to God without needing any other intercession than what He has provided me." What kind of nonsense is that?
There is praying for others, and then there is praying to build your own relationship with Him. You can ask the dead for all the prayers you want. But if you're building statues to pray to them and dedicating your body, soul and deeds to Mary, I'm going to say that you're literally putting these things between you and God. Idolatry.
Is there? You just derided the concept.
Can the dead pray for the living or not? That's the simplest way I can put this without just outright calling you an idiot.
Maybe, but that's not really the point. If I went up to my friend (or even a priest) and said, "Hey bro, can you pray for me? You are my life and my hope, bro. I offer you my heart and my whole being without reserve, bro. I dedicate all my prayers and deeds to you, bro. My only desire is to do all things through you and for you, bro. So please pray for me."
... well, that would be pretty unusual, wouldn't it?
I'm not trying to hate on my frens here, I'm really not (and frens you guys certainly are). We've all been through a lot together, and I'm very grateful for it. I just think the Protestants have a rock-solid point here.
As opposed to the Mother of Christ?
You don't think a little old timey ritualized speech is warranted there?
Nevermind that the vast, vast majority of the nonsense people quote here in their claims is not at all part of say, the Rosary, or any Catholic act of prayer or intercession. Half of it is deliberate mistranslation and the rest is lies. Par for the course when dealing with anyone quoting the King James (heavily revised)Bible.
But you're asking a favor of the Holy Mother for crying out loud. It's not out of line to show a little respect.
As for the saints, which is what I was talking about to begin with, are you seriously about to tell me that saying "Saint Stephen, pray for us sinners" or any variation thereof is out of line?
I think the terms "Mother of Christ" or "Mother of God" are misleading, for one. Sure, you can make the case that they are technically accurate, but they definitely imply that Mary was somehow before God, or literally brought Him into being. I realize that they are not supposed to imply that, but they do.
At any rate, it would be one thing (if unnecessary) to say, "Blessed Mary, please pray for me. I need the help of Jesus." I think it's entirely another to say, "I dedicate my heart and deeds to you."
Yeah there's a weird heretical trend in and from America that thinks Catholics are idolatrous at best. Some will claim we are isis and devil worshipers.
The old Chick tracts were full of it.
It's not that much of a stretch to then want war with rome. Or to be largely indifferent to what you see as satanic temples getting hit in a righteous holy war when you love the country of isreal so much because of your dispensationalist beliefs.
Is every prot like that? No. But there's a weird evangelical american strain that certainly is.
I wonder if there's a link between zio-protestantism and the "Papist" allegations leveled at JFK (we all know who really killed him and why)
Cromwell was right about Popish Idolatary.
HOWEVER, my problem with Catholics is that they trust the institution of the Catholic Church to know basically anything about God, and that they invented the very concept of Social Justice.
Sorry, but I'd rather live under the yoke of Protestantism instead of Catholicism. Better chance of having a free and happy life.
It's not the Church of Peter, and it hasn't been for a long time.
Catholicism literally requires people to believe the Pope is infallible. The fact the previous one (and likely his successor) was a dedicated Communist changes nothing about this, and continues to show that institutions can be very easily captured by Leftists because Leftists themselves are collectivists and institutionalists.
I don't believe Jesus is even divine. The church of Jesus died with him. After that it was the Church of Paul and Peter. Currently, it is the church of homosexual marxists.
I'm just telling you that fully human institutions, like the Catholic Church, are never infallible, and always corruptible, and have been for centuries.
That's fine, keep sucking Muslim toes in the Catholic Church. I'm sure totally based Catholicism will win the day since it's not possible for institutions to be captured.
Catholic "idolatry" is icons of saints, murals depicting the life of Christ, and beautiful architecture and statuary.
Protestant idolatry is BLM flags, rainbow fag shit and "refugees welcome" banners in churches.
I'm sorry, but the last Pope was a Communist Muslim Toe Sucker who did literally all the same shit and allowed Notre Dame to be burned down, had no issues with the mass burnings of Catholic churches in the west, and even was tepid on Catholics being targeted in a Canadian Red Terror.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't get to act like the people who founded Social Justice aren't horribly infiltrated.
Worship idols? Yes. Deserve to be killed? No?
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it’s a duck. Fancy Latin words don’t change reality.
I’m not trying to convert you to Christianity, I am simply saying that no matter what Catholics say, when you look at it objectively, Catholicism is just the old religion of Tammuz with Christian names on it, and some fresh books added to the Bible hundreds of years later to help justify the Mary/Ishtar connection.
I hope every Catholic is one day saved and turns to Jesus.
I don't know what this guy is talking about and I have no idea why he would lie like this. Especially after years of schizo Catholic adult converts promoting the medieval theocracy. Very weird post.
edit: I think I know what's going on now. The Babylon Bee editor, an evangelical, is covering up for Israeli crimes again (this time shooting the top off a Palestinian Catholic church) and Cernovich chose to bandwagon by attacking all evangelicals for some reason.
It's due to the recent bombing in Gaza, where the catholic church was hit. Apparently, some Protestants were thankful it was Catholics were hit, and not Christians. That's what I gathered going through it.
At most, I've only heard people say Catholics aren't saved, and that's been two or 3 people in my life.
Yeah the particular evangelicals he's talking about don't even really want Catholics dead. They'll just contort, lie or do pretty much anything to justify their own chosen idol's actions.
Makes sense. Evangelicals cannot help themselves when it comes to worshipping Israel. Cernovich likes his controversy... Bam.
Isn't Cerno a converso? He's often pretty kosher either way
Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, is an official dogma. Then Vatican 2 came and broke the Oath Against Modernism. Fulfilling the prophecy of Fatima. Apostasy will start from the top.
This topic certainly brought out the anger Protestants and Catholics have towards each other.
Fuck your pronouns, it's Derry!