You don't think a little old timey ritualized speech is warranted there?
Nevermind that the vast, vast majority of the nonsense people quote here in their claims is not at all part of say, the Rosary, or any Catholic act of prayer or intercession. Half of it is deliberate mistranslation and the rest is lies. Par for the course when dealing with anyone quoting the King James (heavily revised)Bible.
But you're asking a favor of the Holy Mother for crying out loud. It's not out of line to show a little respect.
As for the saints, which is what I was talking about to begin with, are you seriously about to tell me that saying "Saint Stephen, pray for us sinners" or any variation thereof is out of line?
I think the terms "Mother of Christ" or "Mother of God" are misleading, for one. Sure, you can make the case that they are technically accurate, but they definitely imply that Mary was somehow before God, or literally brought Him into being. I realize that they are not supposed to imply that, but they do.
At any rate, it would be one thing (if unnecessary) to say, "Blessed Mary, please pray for me. I need the help of Jesus." I think it's entirely another to say, "I dedicate my heart and deeds to you."
They do, though. Of course they do. In basically any other context (including terms like "motherland" or "mother of [field]"), a "mother" is someone that literally spawned someone/something that didn't exist before. God spawned Himself on Earth using Mary as a vessel. Boiling that down to "Mother of God" is very misleading.
It's the same with the term "Queen of Heaven." It most definitely implies that she has rulership over heaven, even if it isn't supposed to. It's true that "in My Father's house are many mansions," and it seems like a safe bet that Mary has one of the nicest ones. But Queen of Heaven? No. That's misleading.
I have literally never heard that spoken aloud in my lifetime.
I mean, I literally got it from the source above. If you want to say it isn't official enough, ok, but I'm not making this up.
As opposed to the Mother of Christ?
You don't think a little old timey ritualized speech is warranted there?
Nevermind that the vast, vast majority of the nonsense people quote here in their claims is not at all part of say, the Rosary, or any Catholic act of prayer or intercession. Half of it is deliberate mistranslation and the rest is lies. Par for the course when dealing with anyone quoting the King James (heavily revised)Bible.
But you're asking a favor of the Holy Mother for crying out loud. It's not out of line to show a little respect.
As for the saints, which is what I was talking about to begin with, are you seriously about to tell me that saying "Saint Stephen, pray for us sinners" or any variation thereof is out of line?
I think the terms "Mother of Christ" or "Mother of God" are misleading, for one. Sure, you can make the case that they are technically accurate, but they definitely imply that Mary was somehow before God, or literally brought Him into being. I realize that they are not supposed to imply that, but they do.
At any rate, it would be one thing (if unnecessary) to say, "Blessed Mary, please pray for me. I need the help of Jesus." I think it's entirely another to say, "I dedicate my heart and deeds to you."
They imply no such thing. You might infer that, but that would be ignorance of the theology we're talking about in the first place.
I've been a practicing Catholic for four decades and I have literally never heard that spoken aloud in my lifetime.
They do, though. Of course they do. In basically any other context (including terms like "motherland" or "mother of [field]"), a "mother" is someone that literally spawned someone/something that didn't exist before. God spawned Himself on Earth using Mary as a vessel. Boiling that down to "Mother of God" is very misleading.
It's the same with the term "Queen of Heaven." It most definitely implies that she has rulership over heaven, even if it isn't supposed to. It's true that "in My Father's house are many mansions," and it seems like a safe bet that Mary has one of the nicest ones. But Queen of Heaven? No. That's misleading.
I mean, I literally got it from the source above. If you want to say it isn't official enough, ok, but I'm not making this up.
They really don't, and they originated a thousand years before the English semantic terms you're trying to use to parse them out ever existed.
No, that's just speaking from ignorance again.