The new law is for ID scanners to be at every place alcohol is sold. I don't think it's a bad law. But I do reject the framing as this kid as a victim. He bought alcohol numerous times and drove drunk. It caught up to him and he crashed. He's not a victim.
Edit - The mother initiated a civil suit against the store, but the jury rejected her claim
The new law is for ID scanners to be at every place alcohol is sold. I don't think it's a bad law.
It’s an unnecessary cost because of a lowered societal trust and an increasing nanny state as a result. These are the straws that make up the government bloat.
I mean, we've already degenerated as a society when we started selling alcohol and other vices like it at places like a grocery store to begin with. It we are going to just leave major temptations out in the open around children, we should probably at least put a token effort in to preventing them from getting to it.
It shouldn't need a law, its already illegal to sell to minors. It should be just basic planning.
Theoretically the barcode on the back calls to the DOT database and if there's a record matching it comes back as valid, if not it comes back as fake. Where I live it just says "yes there's a match" it doesn't pull up any further information due to privacy laws. Obviously the way around that is to just copy a valid barcode, but I would hope any mass use of the same barcode would be flagged.
That's what I'm wondering. There's a lot of strict liability laws when it comes to selling alcohol to minors. I'd hope the clerk's ass would be covered in the event of a false negative.
All part of the Real ID program, they’re pushing us into a world where we need to use a digital identity for everything, “to keep the children safe”, of course, oh and to protect us from cyber attacks….tyranny is always sold behind the veil of public safety. This has nothing to do with making sure kids can’t drink, we already have policy in place for that, show the cashier your ID, he can tell if you’re too young based on looks in the vast majority of cases, and if you look too young, he should be looking over that ID to see if it’s actually you or a fake. The cashier failed at his job and is the sole person responsible for a child getting alcohol illegally. Scanning ID’s is for the track, trace, database future where everything you do is scrutinized, and will be limited greatly by a social/ carbon credit score.
The "child" was 18 years old. Under the legal age but not a child. I'd say the guy knew what he was doing and is culpable in his actions to get alcohol illegally
Someone doesn't retroactively cease to be a parent because they couldn't deal with living with a black woman. Dad is out there somewhere and he can be an alcoholic there.
Kinda feel bad for the liquor store guys. If they didn't sell, they might get stabbed in vital organs by a rage-fueled niglet, then sued for racism. If they did, well... here we are.
If they refuse a sale they're charged as racists and could even go to jail. At least around here.
Our (Manitoba) laws say if they MIGHT be 25 or under? Check ID. That's just for smokes. To even enter a liquor store you have to show photo ID which is scanned & recorded. Beer and wine shops exist, but convenience stores can't sell any booze... yet.
It would be a terrible idea too. We have enough shoplifting & theft without adding beer as bait 😡
The new law is for ID scanners to be at every place alcohol is sold. I don't think it's a bad law. But I do reject the framing as this kid as a victim. He bought alcohol numerous times and drove drunk. It caught up to him and he crashed. He's not a victim.
Edit - The mother initiated a civil suit against the store, but the jury rejected her claim
It’s an unnecessary cost because of a lowered societal trust and an increasing nanny state as a result. These are the straws that make up the government bloat.
I agree in principle but since we are in a low trust society the necessity is debatable, unfortunately.
I mean, we've already degenerated as a society when we started selling alcohol and other vices like it at places like a grocery store to begin with. It we are going to just leave major temptations out in the open around children, we should probably at least put a token effort in to preventing them from getting to it.
It shouldn't need a law, its already illegal to sell to minors. It should be just basic planning.
Good. The store should now counter-sue.
How do ID scanners stop fake IDs?
Theoretically the barcode on the back calls to the DOT database and if there's a record matching it comes back as valid, if not it comes back as fake. Where I live it just says "yes there's a match" it doesn't pull up any further information due to privacy laws. Obviously the way around that is to just copy a valid barcode, but I would hope any mass use of the same barcode would be flagged.
In reality it does little to nothing.
Or paying adults to make purchase for them.
That's what I'm wondering. There's a lot of strict liability laws when it comes to selling alcohol to minors. I'd hope the clerk's ass would be covered in the event of a false negative.
They don't.
They'll make it worse.
The cashier won't even look if they don't have to. Just swipe, wait for the beep, complete the sale.
This is the worst idea.
I'm sure they won't stop good counterfeiters.
I bet the screeching from the mother after that rejection could be heard from three counties away.
All part of the Real ID program, they’re pushing us into a world where we need to use a digital identity for everything, “to keep the children safe”, of course, oh and to protect us from cyber attacks….tyranny is always sold behind the veil of public safety. This has nothing to do with making sure kids can’t drink, we already have policy in place for that, show the cashier your ID, he can tell if you’re too young based on looks in the vast majority of cases, and if you look too young, he should be looking over that ID to see if it’s actually you or a fake. The cashier failed at his job and is the sole person responsible for a child getting alcohol illegally. Scanning ID’s is for the track, trace, database future where everything you do is scrutinized, and will be limited greatly by a social/ carbon credit score.
The "child" was 18 years old. Under the legal age but not a child. I'd say the guy knew what he was doing and is culpable in his actions to get alcohol illegally
There's no fucking hoodrat the doesn't know what the effects of alcohol are.
Ah yes, the black kid dindu nuffin wrong, besides being stupid and doing crime.
Somehow this is white people's fault.
black parents refuse responsibility for their children.
$50 says both the parents are reckless alcoholics.
Optimistic.
Someone doesn't retroactively cease to be a parent because they couldn't deal with living with a black woman. Dad is out there somewhere and he can be an alcoholic there.
Too bad the nig survived.
Edit: I stand corrected. He is chillin with fentanyl George.
He didn't
nah it's your fault, not the store
Kinda feel bad for the liquor store guys. If they didn't sell, they might get stabbed in vital organs by a rage-fueled niglet, then sued for racism. If they did, well... here we are.
If they refuse a sale they're charged as racists and could even go to jail. At least around here.
Our (Manitoba) laws say if they MIGHT be 25 or under? Check ID. That's just for smokes. To even enter a liquor store you have to show photo ID which is scanned & recorded. Beer and wine shops exist, but convenience stores can't sell any booze... yet.
It would be a terrible idea too. We have enough shoplifting & theft without adding beer as bait 😡
We need a new law to prevent this sort of thing. Foxford is on the case: https://i.imgur.com/gUVj9tC.png