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Elon speaks out against the “big beautiful bill” (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend +110 / -0
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– Ahaus667 39 points 1 year ago +39 / -0

Even “republicans” run under the Keynesian lie that more government spending will solve any problem. Rand is completely correct that this passing will damage the Republicans and will probably lose them the midterms. The sad thing is that is by design to keep the cogs rolling.

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– TheOutlaw 36 points 1 year ago +36 / -0

Let's be honest here. We're fucked on the midterms already because we still don't have a solution to the fraud problem that doesn't involve Trump being on the ballot.

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– undecidedmask2 40 points 1 year ago +40 / -0

I mean, can you blame people? Everybody we vote in immediately changes their positions and conforms to the uniparty on stuff.

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– Kopkot 24 points 1 year ago +24 / -0

Republicans are fucked because they have done nothing while their white voter base is replaced. They are quickly pivoting to muh based spics.

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– AntonioOfVenice 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Even “republicans” run under the Keynesian lie that more government spending will solve any problem

They don't care about the problems, they care about remaining in office.

And if you start doing stupid crap that no one wants based on lolbertarian ideology, you're not going to remain in office.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 25 points 1 year ago +25 / -0

DOGE was a major feature of the Trump ticket, and the Republicans basically voided any gains made by the DOGE. I'd be willing to bet they will lose more Republican supporters than if they had stuck to the cuts.

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– Smith1980 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

I hope you are wrong but I’m worried about that. Actually cutting govt and abolishing unconstitutional agencies is impossible since there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth

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– Gizortnik 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

this passing will damage the Republicans and will probably lose them the midterms.

I doubt this. Libertarians are mostly annoyed by this, but not to the point that Republicans will lose the mid-terms over this.

Sure, there's not enough cuts, but Rand wasn't gonna get the cuts he wanted either.

The cuts that were needed are simply impossible, politically.

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– Ahaus667 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

I doubt this. Libertarians are mostly annoyed by this, but not to the point that Republicans will lose the mid-terms over this

There’s absolutely no way to motivate a base for midterms when the polling all said 1. Was immigration and 2. Was economy/ government spending/ inflation. This is going to deflate the base massively as they haven’t really deported shit, still keep mass importing H1Bs, and haven’t stopped spending.

Sure, there's not enough cuts, but Rand wasn't gonna get the cuts he wanted either. The cuts that were needed are simply impossible, politically.

True, which is why Trump should be outing every single faggot congressman who demanded a payout for his vote, instead he went after Rand for being the only one willing to actually put his foot down.

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– Gizortnik 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Deportations are still ongoing, and still being quite public. I don't see inflation going crazy in the future, and I think the economy is going to improve.

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– Ahaus667 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Yes, and those public numbers are showing at most 40k and shrinking per month. He’s not even on pace for 100k deportations this year. Inflation is going to increase if this bill passes, that’s undeniable, if the bill helps the economy more than it hurts it won’t be as noticeable, but it will be there. There’s also the problem that more spending will keep the fed rates higher and fuck the housing bubble more.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Considering that Trump is now deporting families as well as the criminals/terrorists suggests to me that they are going to be increasing the deportation rate. Prosecutions against employers means that even without physical deportations, the number of self-deportations are going to continue to increase. I expect that the deportation numbers will continue to increase, and most of the inflow has been shuttered as it is.

The spending means that inflation will take place, but no one besides literally me is pushing for deflation because they have no way to prevent a deflationary spiral that would basically kill the world economy. I expect the spending bill to help the economy a bit, along with further de-regulaiton efforts, so price rises are probably going to continue to be within the target 2% year over year, while wages continue to rise and employment goes up.

There's no good solution for the housing bubble besides further deportations (and to be clear there's only about 400k houses on the market at any given time). Prices of homes aren't going to collapse with a working economy, but the prices might stabilize with increased supplies and increased domestic demand.

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– Ahaus667 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Considering that Trump is now deporting families as well as the criminals/terrorists suggests to me that they are going to be increasing the deportation rate. Prosecutions against employers means that even without physical deportations, the number of self-deportations are going to continue to increase. I expect that the deportation numbers will continue to increase, and most of the inflow has been shuttered as it is.

These are all hypotheticals and the “self deportations” were thwarted by sanctuary states in the first term and will be again unless action is taken, which hasn’t happened.

The spending means that inflation will take place, but no one besides literally me is pushing for deflation because they have no way to prevent a deflationary spiral that would basically kill the world economy. I expect the spending bill to help the economy a bit, along with further de-regulaiton efforts, so price rises are probably going to continue to be within the target 2% year over year, while wages continue to rise and employment goes up.

This is patently false. The 2% myth is cherry picked, heavily government subsidized products. Wages have not met inflation for decades and are continuing to crash at higher income brackets, the H1B supply chain tied with inflation was enough to gut engineer pay to be 2/3s of its equivalent in the 90s. There’s no provided solution from the Trump admin other than more of the same.

There's no good solution for the housing bubble besides further deportations (and to be clear there's only about 400k houses on the market at any given time). Prices of homes aren't going to collapse with a working economy, but the prices might stabilize with increased supplies and increased domestic demand.

The best solution to a bubble is to pop it before it becomes problematic, it is already too late for this. The average home is 100k more expensive than 3 years ago, the only way it would settle is if we didn’t keep mass importing immigrants and subsidizing their home buying, same with corporations. This is again something that has not been addressed by the Trump admin other than “more of the same”.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Self-deportations haven't been thwarted at all, and of course their hypotheticals, this is month 6th of the administration and midterms are over a year away.

Nothing I said in my 2nd quote is false and you didn't re-buff it either. I didn't say that 2% wasn't cherry picked, the CPI is always a cherry pick. I never said that wages didn't meet inflation. I didn't say anything about higher wages or the H1B supply chain.

I said wages will continue to go up. They will. Will they surpass inflation, probably not for a while, but for the first time in decades they are actually rising. The CPI is what it is and you'll have to deal with that. The wages of engineers are not going to be 2/3rds of what they were by the 90's because basically no wage has done that. I've seen nothing to suggest that higher income brackets are decreasing in money.

Your lying that the administration isn't reducing mass immigration and subsidizing home buying. They're actively deporting them, you're just complaining it's not fast enough. It is not a good idea to pop the housing bubble and let houses fall 80% in value in 6 months because that would implode the entire world economy and probably start several civil wars, a regional war, and a few famines. What the administration is trying to do is grow the economy around the bubble, which should reduce the damage as it deflates. Like I said, if 400k homes are on sale at any given time, and we've removed 100k illegals so far, that is a reduction on the effect of immigration on housing. Your real problem is the amount of homes being rented which are taken off the market for sale.

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– deleted 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0
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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

True, the largest ethnic group is German. They're the descendants of Hessians. Are they even white?

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– MLGS 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

The Republican party is so generally unpopular that even a tiny subgroup deciding to not vote out of spite could be enough to flip the 1-2 seats that are the difference between the Mars Base and Brown Tidal Wave futures. Libertarians are especially hysterical and very stupid in these situations.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The Republicans aren't gaining support enough because their not following Trump's lead.

Rand and Massie are more in danger of loosing their seats than MAGA die-hards because the population is very Trumpists.

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– MLGS 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

The options here are "spend the money" or "Thousand Year Libtard Reich begins in 2026".

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Few reichs last even 100 years, let alone 1000. Russia or China would destroy the weakened (on purpose) "reich" nation well before a century passes.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

There is no rationality involved in this.

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– bloodguard 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

At this point it's not a matter of if there's going to be a catastrophic financial collapse due to the debt but when. And I'm guessing it's less than a decade away.

Hopefully I'll be way (way) off grid in five or so years. Already have a nice corner of the extended family ranch in Wyoming cleared.

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– Vivs3rdSock 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Wyoming

Brb, figuring out a joke where the punchline is the Chinese being asked "Why O, Ming?"

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– CaptainTrouble 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

It's about 20 years away and what it will be will be the admission that the government can't fund pensions any longer. It'll be fun times. Boomers will fuck over their kids in death.

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– FellowCanuckIstan 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Is this up on losers.win?

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– FrozeInFear 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

There's something adjacent to it pinned on TD at the moment: a comic presenting a fat fed on a doge treadmill followed by the party reps coming in with a ton of food.
https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/19BGYCzYVH

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– Vivs3rdSock 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Has it been posted? Maybe.

Will it still be up given the stance it automatically takes? Also maybe.

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– FellowCanuckIstan 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

After I posted the comment, I saw on the rising feed, not many upvotes or comments

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– Vivs3rdSock 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

If it doesn't get pinned it won't get much of either, and the things that do get pinned range from topical to downright social media normie tier memes, so often actual news gets lost.

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– Jalapeno_gringo 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Might awaken the cult members

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– SophiesBoyfriend [S] 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

they refused to “sticky” it….

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– Benevolentdictator 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Well, I guess the announcement last week that Elon was leaving DOGE and returning to private life makes more sense now.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 24 points 1 year ago +24 / -0

That was announced months ago he'd only be there for 5 months or so, this is just convenience because now he can talk without directly criticising his employer while still working there.

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– akira2501 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

If he wanted to stay longer he would have had to divest himself or create a blind trust.

This wasn't a decision. It was a compromise.

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– censorthisss 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

There's always some fucking retard asking grok to explain whatever the comment is about.

I saw someone ask grok to summarize a 30 second video clip of a cyclist standing in front of a car yelling at the driver. That shit has to be astroturfed and it's so annoying.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

NPCs outsourcing their own reasoning. It's never been so blatant.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Have the archive: https://ghostarchive.org/archive/bOMmw

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