There's an episode where they find a huge underwater pyramid that has ancient Greek writing on it. A character gets possessed and starts speaking Greek. It turns out it's The Temple of Minerva built by Neptune. Now if you had a thing for mythology, like I did, as a kid you probably notice those are the Roman names of the gods. And Minerva is a black woman. This is in the early 90s.
This "replacement rot" has been going on for a long time
WE WUZ GODESSES N SHEET
Goddess of the sea no less. How well or even often do blacks swim?
Yes, this shit started in the 90s. Remember Xena Warrior Princess? There were a lot of non whites in that TV show, which takes place in Ancient Greece. Some episodes take place outside of Ancient Greece I think but they had non whites in episodes that take place in Ancient Greece as well. I shouldn't have to remind anyone that there were no non whites in Ancient Greece. Not around 58 BC when the show takes place. No sane non white person would even want to be there back then. Ancient Greeks were so xenophobic, they didn't even tolerate other Greeks from different parts of Greece. How much would your life suck ass as a black man in Ancient Sparta? LOL You wouldn't have even been seen as a human being.
90s Disney "underdog wins" sports movies inevitably had a "diverse" cast as the heroes and the WASPiest looking all-White villains. Probably even earlier than that, with the major bad guys in the Goonies being rich whites.
Even a lot of the action movies back then, even popular ones, always had White villains, but everyone else was diverse. Check out the Lethal Weapon movies (except for 4). Lethal Weapon 2's villains were, to make it even more on the nose, racist South African Whites, to help demonize the evil apartheid state of South Africa.
But, hey, at least we proved the racists wrong, and South Africa is paradise now!
And rich White jocks were always the villains in movies like Revenge of the Nerds.
I'd never really thought about it, but when I heard someone else discussing the phenomenon it made sense; it's written by the theatre kids.
It's at least in part resentment, while also being very exaggerated. Jocks are bad because they had a better time in school than the people writing the fictional character did.
Though granted, a lot of jocks across America get a much sweeter deal than they probably should because of the absurd level some people get invested into kid's sports.
I don't have any lingering grudges, all the ones I knew growing up were alright guys and a few were in the Anime Club with me even, but we had teachers who'd literally stop class to applaud them for plays or give them outs on doing homework because they had practice/games.
Its one of those things where its kinda true, but then gets blown up into delusional by guys who were probably the problem themselves.
I was more talking attitudes. It's not that they weren't privileged in some ways, it's that they often weren't jerks and meatheads.
That portrayal was largely resentment-fueled. The stereotypical jock is a senseless, malicious bully with the IQ of a sponge, and that's certainly at the very least exaggerated.
Right. If I was getting at they do get the kind of special treatment that that alone could fuel resentment. And if they were a less upstanding person, could absolutely abuse that position to be as bad as a lot of movies portrayed. It wasn't my experience, but I could see how it could happen somewhere.
At the very least, every non-ghetto school I've known for a very long time now had some form academic requirement to be involved in athletics, so they can't be that stupid unless they are getting a lot of background support to hide their failing grades.
The mean ol' bullies were the heroes all along, while the "scrappy underdog resistance" were really just filthy degenerates and the "oppressive system" they were rebelling against was natural order.
Karate Kid is a perfect example of this. https://youtu.be/C_Gz_iTuRMM?si=O7K8ee0IiFwuK611
For a time every villain was English.
Hah, just remembered the White South African villain in Lethal Weapon 2. Buddy cops good preserving cultural and ethnic harmony bad amirite??
Ace Ventura 2 also did that.
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Vincent_Cadby
Mass Effect 2 did it, too!
https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Donovan_Hock
Must be a thing with sequels.
This was heard a thousand times a day in 8th grade
I think I read somewhere originally the villains weren't South African but they changed it to protest Apartheid
Of course.
Man, that just felt so out of place. It was just a very, very weird plot. Stilted and nonsensical.
Well this is something I can understand.
Although back then I didn’t have to endlessly hear about diversity and representation. Other than that nonsense, is it a good show? Have it on my list to check out eventually. I remember it being on but I had very little access to the remote then
The first season is pretty solid near-future sci-fi. Season 2 went completely off the rails. Season 3 was much darker, competent military Sci fi, but by that time half the original cast were gone and it didn't feel like the same show at all
Thanks. Maybe I’ll just watch season 1
I haven't made it to Season 3 yet. I'm looking forward to Michael Ironside though
DarkseidIronside is.I didn't hate it. It's a bit unsatisfying as it got cut short when the ratings didn't improve and the network canceled it.
It's cheesy and inconsistent in tone and canon. Plots and character arcs change from episode to episode. The effects are bad, even for 90s tv. And as I pointed out they make mistakes like I pointed out above, using the Roman gods name to a temple they claim is Greek. It's a silly mistake, and I wonder how that makes it to the final print. I personally wouldn't recommend it
Yea you’d think somebody would have some mythology knowledge at a basic level
Wasn't that what the GELF storyline touched on at times?
They had a bunch of minority analogies treated badly episodes.
I would still say the occasional “racism is bad” using the standard definition isn’t anywhere near endless lectures about how bad white ppl are. I remember a few Different World episodes where black characters were called out for their anti white racism. One episode the character asked why he needed to learn European history and the professor gave a good explanation. Definitely wouldn’t see that today
There was only one season of seaQuest. If you say otherwise...
Which season is that
It's been going on since at least the 1960s and likely before that.
The Bill Cosby Show started airing in 1969 and while it's not explicitly replacement demonstrates that even at that time the media was pushing the Africans-are-just-like-Americans/Euros propaganda to national audiences with big money supporters behind it.
Thank you for this comment -- I was about to make the exact same comment. This has been going on since the 1960s. Most people simply did not pay attention. It started subtle and escalated rapidly after that. The unique slate of cool movies in the 80s helped bury some of the propaganda, but when Hollywood/congress cracked down on the "ultra violence" era at the end of the 80s, you could more clearly see the messaging rearing its head in the 90s and beyond.
Literally every part of the 90s was diverse. Any show you turned on had a super mixed up cast in some way. From Power Rangers to the "random kids on the Burger King bag." Its almost surreal to go back and see how common place it was compared to how much you remember.
I think the difference is, and why it doesn't jump out to people as much, is because it didn't feel as malicious. Like, it was the frog slowly boiling but it felt like at least partially there was some sincere attempts at racial harmony being tried for.
I'm sure the Elites at the top and all the various Jews and Commies were pulling strings to make it happen, but the lack of overt malice made it far less egregious and offensive then compared to now.
Feminism have been cancer since its inception. People are either will fully ignorant or forget such damaging actions like white feather, prohibition, tender years doctrine, no fault divorce etc etc that happened for years far before "third wave" feminism.
Was that the episode where Neptune actually shows up and one guy says he doesn't want the story to come out because he wants to run for office?
That be the one
That's one of the few episodes I've seen. It turned me off from the whole show.
Yeah the pointing out it's an ancient Greek temple, using Greek language, and showing Greek writing but using Roman names was silly.
Honestly, that's common even among college professors. The guys who study it directly screw it up, and then lecture us on the differences. Hercules is very different even on the era let alone Greek and Roman.
Everyone gets Heracles and Hercules wrong. Even the Disney movie is wrong. The syndicated Kevin Sorbo show got it wrong.
Hate to be that guy but I gotta put my college elective in Greek Mythology to use when I see the chance:
🤓 I believe you mean Herakles 🤓 - (no “c”s in Greek!)
Listen I use the soft C in Macedonia too. Mack-a-don my butt
I don't think the Kevin Sorbo show was trying to tell it right. I will say it matched the folkloric hero stories much better, but they all had swords.
Yeah it wasn't a fateful adaptation of Hercules, but I was being more specific about using the name Hercules. It really should have been Heracles, or made the gods Roman
I watched it when I was younger. I liked it at the time. One interesting point is they declared Colin Powel the current president and the Admiral had a signed picture of him. That was a pretty bold move given the time.
The only truly good episode of Seaquest is when the dude gets stuck under the soda machine and has a scorpion sting him repeatedly to get high