They are both called "pedos" according to these zealots and according to laws like the ones that Texas is trying to push, and that they are increasingly trying to make this opinion in to law by giving anime characters the same human rights as real people. .
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Sure, I can agree it's weird. It's just because their interest is only in fictional content, they're less dangerous to kids than those that become teachers, nursery workers, medical professionals, law enforcement and even parents to GET closer to kids to abuse them for their own sick pleasure.
My bigger problem is that it is always used as the foot in the door for more censorship and banning of things because the government said so. Australia banned loli, then they went and said that any porn actress with smaller than a B-cup is a child and also banned (as well as banning many a Japanese video game or anime).
I defend the loli shit for the same reason I defend hate speech and people saying nigger: The government always targets scoundrels to justify targeting everyone else.
You give the censors a chance, they'll strip you of ALL your freedoms as we have history to show that..
And with the amount of parental controls available, there's LESS of an excuse if you try the popular censor angle of 'think of the children', we did, you have the tools to not just block certain content from them but even time lock their device use, USE IT.
And a lot of people dont really seem to grasp the lengths they would go to to do it. My biggest example being that the Soviet Union decided that it was "mental illness" to be against "the Revolution" and would use that to arrest everyone they desired. If you get laws passed to ban "degenerate" behavior, it is only a matter of time before they declare being an enemy of the Globalist order is degeneracy. Hell, I have already seem them starting to try and pull that with Christianity, citing all of the weird shit that happens in the early parts of the Old Testament as proof it is just as "degenerate" as any pornography.
But then I might actually have to do my duties as a parent and not make the government do it all! That's not fair!
Oh yes, please illustrate for us the exact milestones on the slippery slope between banning cartoon child porn and 1984.
I could use a laugh.
You want to ask a none openly biased question or you going to be a DC judge in this?
Same. And the porn ID laws are the first step toward ending online anonymity, and thus the death of any pushback against the status quo. People who cheer it on, because they have a rightful distaste of porn, are not seeing the full picture.
If someone can convince me that porn isn't speech, and put a law forward that doesn't fuck over everyone, regardless of porn usage, then we can talk. Until then, I'll defend porn, defend loli, and oppose all these stupid laws that massively hurt free speech. I don't have to like the things in question, but when the cure is clearly worse than the disease, I certainly don't feel bad defending them either.
My favorite one is always when they say I should have my hard drives checked, and instead of giving them the answer they want I tell them "Go ahead. You aint gonna find what you are looking for, because it doesnt exist." Because I am sure it will come as a shock to them (since they are usually the types to project), I actually dont have a thing for loli. Hell, if you searched my hard drives, you would be hard pressed to find anything more risque than women in lingerie. Because the only thing I am weird on is that I dont necessarily find skimpy looks to be all that sexy, and in fact find looks like this or this or this to be the infinitely sexier option than just some too small bikini.
No jetpack for you
That's a fair argument and frankly the only one I'm listening to about this topic.
The saddest part is despite the aggressive stance Australia took with anti-anime policy, they kinda allow real predators to run around and do whatever because the country wants to follow the trend and be the cool progressive.
Well of course. Because it was never actually about preventing that kind of behavior, it was about finding a way to attack a medium that is popular, pushes messages they dont like, and/or is outside of their control. They just know that there are some people who would normally oppose them that are going to lose all sense and go along with it if they say the right trigger words to make it happen.
I'm not going to go into it, but the Australian Aboriginal population has a fucking outrageous rate of child sexual abuse, intimate partner abuse, family violence, and more.
They get a free pass though, because reasons.
Meanwhile, your comic books can get you thrown in prison because you are not an Aboriginal.
This is not an exaggeration.
And I wasn't even aware of that, still it reinforces me further to ignore a lot of anglo puritan hysterics about loli anime even more. What I said about Britain a few days ago seems to apply to just about any anglo-countries. They force their own unreasonable cultural standard and in my opinion they are pretty inconsistent about the rules. What's more ironic is the westerners in general love making fun of busybody karens on the internet, but many of them are inherently karens as seen in the goonergate fiasco. What an absolute shitshow, the modern culture is.
All laws are selectively enforced, that doesn't mean anarchy is viable.
And the goal is to maximize liberty without allowing anarchy, but not allow so much law it can be used as a cudgel against you.
That is all laws, all laws can be used against anyone who publicly engages in any activity because they are all subjective to a "reasonableness" test.
And that is good because the real purpose of laws isn't to tell people what to do and not to do but to be a legitimizing pretext for collectively harming bad people.
You void your right to complain about any law that encroaches. You're not perching yourself at the top of a slippery slope, you're on a fucking canyon.
Says who? You are making these proclamations like you are wearing a crown. Anyone can complain about anything.
How do we know it's only in fictional content though? It could start with loli and lead to CP or molesting. Someone in one of those positions could have liked loli to start. The point is normalizing child attraction is a problem. The argument that it acts like an outlet and stops them from acting on it is false, it doesn't work like that, it just makes their appetite stronger.
Who said anything about normalizing it? Not criminalizing or banning it doesn't have to mean normalizing it. I am strongly against it being banned but I am even more against it being normalized. It should be banished to secluded corners of the web and should have a stigma associated with being found to like it. But we cannot go even one step down that path of censorship because it doesn't lead to good places.
The people who are into are absolutely trying to normalize it, or minimize what is at least. That's what the "she looks 12 but she's 12,000 years old" memes are making fun of. Based on your post I don't have a problem with your position. I think there's a legit debate to be made about leading to censorship etc, but as to whether it's creepy as fuck and tantamount to bring a pedo, I don't think there's an argument
So if I watch porn and jerk off as an outlet for my sexual needs I'm going to start raping women? Or if I play violent video games I'm gonna shoot up a school?
different things are different
I already said sexual attraction isn't the same. And no but it won't quench your thirst and actually makes you want more sex, it's not an outlet that stops the desire.
Fucking LOL at this being downvoted. This is a fact. You weirdos are super sensitive about your cartoon little girls. Almost like you know it's wrong...
Japan has the one of the lowest rape rates and child abuse per capita in the world, yet Netherlands is the country that hosts most csa material in the world...
I was simply pointing out the flawed logic in your argument. Unless you already have a violent nature and/or seriously lack empathy you won't start raping kids or women because of pornography or start up shooting schools because of violent video games or hack people to death because you look at gore.
Mind altering drugs can completely twist your personality and make you do things you would never be capable of under normal circumstances but media? Absolutely not.
Actually jerking off is an outlet that stops desire. It's called postnut clarity.
Not everyone who disagrees with (parts of) your statements is an individual who wants to normalize loli porn. You can be against it and still point out a deeply flawed argument.
These apologists here are speaking as if what you are saying isn't true?
"Drawings aren't people." "It's policing thought crime."
Both are retarded arguments that ignore the reality of the situation. If you create pornographic sexualized images of children (that are anime/cartoon or otherwise) you are no longer in the realm of intangibles or hypotheticals.
You knowingly created a now existing product or material that serves the purpose of stimulating sexual arousal towards images of children. That's not happening just in your mind anymore.. It has now become something tangible by your actions.
I'm not saying we should lock people up for that alone. But yes, those caught distributing & creating it for the use of pedophiles should be at the very least taken a closer look at.
Also, as you said if anything this is proliferating the problem not keeping it in check. Rarely does behavior like this deescalate of it's own volition.
The central pillar of your argument is assuming that others, like yourself, are unable to distinguish representational art from real people.
I get that you really, really, don't like pedophiles. Your solution is to convict people on what they think rather than what they have done. That is a bridge too far.
That is bullshit.
If you want, argue that people who sexually abuse children should be shot. I won't even protest. As long as they actually did it.
I don't see how this matters in regard to creating pornographic images of children? Whether the child is real or not doesn't change the purpose of the imagery. Which is to produce sexual arousal towards children.
Wrong. I already addressed this point in my other reply here. Once you create pornographic images of children (anime or otherwise) that has the sole purpose of sexual arousal for pedophiles, you are no longer in the realm of thought, intangibles or inaction. It's extremely suspect that so many here cannot make this distinction and are fervoursly defending the creation and distribution of pedophilic imagery.
I also never said they should be in jail for this act alone. Although if it were up to me, I probably would just put a bullet in their head as you suggested. I said they should be looked at more closely. Because rarely is this a behavior that exists in a vacuum, that doesn't escalate into further interest and/or action.