They are both called "pedos" according to these zealots and according to laws like the ones that Texas is trying to push, and that they are increasingly trying to make this opinion in to law by giving anime characters the same human rights as real people. .
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Im not losing any sleep over it, but being into loli is weird as fuck and degenerate and everyone who isn't into it can see that. Do all the mental gymnastics you want, it's fucking weird. I wouldn't let anyone into loli around kids sorry
Sure, I can agree it's weird. It's just because their interest is only in fictional content, they're less dangerous to kids than those that become teachers, nursery workers, medical professionals, law enforcement and even parents to GET closer to kids to abuse them for their own sick pleasure.
My bigger problem is that it is always used as the foot in the door for more censorship and banning of things because the government said so. Australia banned loli, then they went and said that any porn actress with smaller than a B-cup is a child and also banned (as well as banning many a Japanese video game or anime).
I defend the loli shit for the same reason I defend hate speech and people saying nigger: The government always targets scoundrels to justify targeting everyone else.
You give the censors a chance, they'll strip you of ALL your freedoms as we have history to show that..
And with the amount of parental controls available, there's LESS of an excuse if you try the popular censor angle of 'think of the children', we did, you have the tools to not just block certain content from them but even time lock their device use, USE IT.
And a lot of people dont really seem to grasp the lengths they would go to to do it. My biggest example being that the Soviet Union decided that it was "mental illness" to be against "the Revolution" and would use that to arrest everyone they desired. If you get laws passed to ban "degenerate" behavior, it is only a matter of time before they declare being an enemy of the Globalist order is degeneracy. Hell, I have already seem them starting to try and pull that with Christianity, citing all of the weird shit that happens in the early parts of the Old Testament as proof it is just as "degenerate" as any pornography.
But then I might actually have to do my duties as a parent and not make the government do it all! That's not fair!
Oh yes, please illustrate for us the exact milestones on the slippery slope between banning cartoon child porn and 1984.
I could use a laugh.
Same. And the porn ID laws are the first step toward ending online anonymity, and thus the death of any pushback against the status quo. People who cheer it on, because they have a rightful distaste of porn, are not seeing the full picture.
If someone can convince me that porn isn't speech, and put a law forward that doesn't fuck over everyone, regardless of porn usage, then we can talk. Until then, I'll defend porn, defend loli, and oppose all these stupid laws that massively hurt free speech. I don't have to like the things in question, but when the cure is clearly worse than the disease, I certainly don't feel bad defending them either.
My favorite one is always when they say I should have my hard drives checked, and instead of giving them the answer they want I tell them "Go ahead. You aint gonna find what you are looking for, because it doesnt exist." Because I am sure it will come as a shock to them (since they are usually the types to project), I actually dont have a thing for loli. Hell, if you searched my hard drives, you would be hard pressed to find anything more risque than women in lingerie. Because the only thing I am weird on is that I dont necessarily find skimpy looks to be all that sexy, and in fact find looks like this or this or this to be the infinitely sexier option than just some too small bikini.
That's a fair argument and frankly the only one I'm listening to about this topic.
The saddest part is despite the aggressive stance Australia took with anti-anime policy, they kinda allow real predators to run around and do whatever because the country wants to follow the trend and be the cool progressive.
Well of course. Because it was never actually about preventing that kind of behavior, it was about finding a way to attack a medium that is popular, pushes messages they dont like, and/or is outside of their control. They just know that there are some people who would normally oppose them that are going to lose all sense and go along with it if they say the right trigger words to make it happen.
I'm not going to go into it, but the Australian Aboriginal population has a fucking outrageous rate of child sexual abuse, intimate partner abuse, family violence, and more.
They get a free pass though, because reasons.
Meanwhile, your comic books can get you thrown in prison because you are not an Aboriginal.
This is not an exaggeration.
All laws are selectively enforced, that doesn't mean anarchy is viable.
And the goal is to maximize liberty without allowing anarchy, but not allow so much law it can be used as a cudgel against you.
You void your right to complain about any law that encroaches. You're not perching yourself at the top of a slippery slope, you're on a fucking canyon.
How do we know it's only in fictional content though? It could start with loli and lead to CP or molesting. Someone in one of those positions could have liked loli to start. The point is normalizing child attraction is a problem. The argument that it acts like an outlet and stops them from acting on it is false, it doesn't work like that, it just makes their appetite stronger.
Who said anything about normalizing it? Not criminalizing or banning it doesn't have to mean normalizing it. I am strongly against it being banned but I am even more against it being normalized. It should be banished to secluded corners of the web and should have a stigma associated with being found to like it. But we cannot go even one step down that path of censorship because it doesn't lead to good places.
The people who are into are absolutely trying to normalize it, or minimize what is at least. That's what the "she looks 12 but she's 12,000 years old" memes are making fun of. Based on your post I don't have a problem with your position. I think there's a legit debate to be made about leading to censorship etc, but as to whether it's creepy as fuck and tantamount to bring a pedo, I don't think there's an argument
So if I watch porn and jerk off as an outlet for my sexual needs I'm going to start raping women? Or if I play violent video games I'm gonna shoot up a school?
different things are different
I already said sexual attraction isn't the same. And no but it won't quench your thirst and actually makes you want more sex, it's not an outlet that stops the desire.
Fucking LOL at this being downvoted. This is a fact. You weirdos are super sensitive about your cartoon little girls. Almost like you know it's wrong...
These apologists here are speaking as if what you are saying isn't true?
"Drawings aren't people." "It's policing thought crime."
Both are retarded arguments that ignore the reality of the situation. If you create pornographic sexualized images of children (that are anime/cartoon or otherwise) you are no longer in the realm of intangibles or hypotheticals.
You knowingly created a now existing product or material that serves the purpose of stimulating sexual arousal towards images of children. That's not happening just in your mind anymore.. It has now become something tangible by your actions.
I'm not saying we should lock people up for that alone. But yes, those caught distributing & creating it for the use of pedophiles should be at the very least taken a closer look at.
Also, as you said if anything this is proliferating the problem not keeping it in check. Rarely does behavior like this deescalate of it's own volition.
The central pillar of your argument is assuming that others, like yourself, are unable to distinguish representational art from real people.
I get that you really, really, don't like pedophiles. Your solution is to convict people on what they think rather than what they have done. That is a bridge too far.
That is bullshit.
If you want, argue that people who sexually abuse children should be shot. I won't even protest. As long as they actually did it.
No you don’t understand, she’s just drawn to look 12, she’s really a 13,000 year old god!
You know there are people like that in real life? Say, professional gymnasts or figure skaters.
If you draw one of these people, should you go to prison?
How big are their boobs?
Are you serious? Is cup size the metric of maturity you want to see enforced?
Google Zhou Yaqin Chinese balance beam medalist. She is 19 now.
Does drawing a picture of Zhou Yaqin engaging in sexual acts deserve conviction and sentencing as a sex offender?
In my opinion, the people defending anime of this kind so fiercely need to be on a pedo watch list. Children presented in an overtly sexualized way in any context is wrong. The fact that some are trying say there is some degree of nuance to the argument (like that makes a difference) says a lot about the people making it.
Yup. The only nuance is that not all anime is loli and degenerate. But actual loli is just straight up gross, pedo shit and I can't look at anyone into it without serious concern
And you think the people making these arguments will make that distinction?
Lol, lmao even.
I am, right now. I can't speak for others. But it's not a hard distinction to make.