Superman was just born with superpowers. Actually this is my gripe with superheroes, they are either just super rich , or get powers accidentally with no training. Superheroes won't represent regular people
We get it, you're a retard who doesn't understand anything about superheroes as per every single whiny blogpost you make about them. The entire point of Superman isn't about punching the problem, it's solving it despite being able to do so.
It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then... he shoots fire from the skies and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him.
Unfortunately it doesn't occur for you either because all you see is the flying brick trope which isn't surprising as with all the clickbait you post your passing interest is only skin deep and misses all the context and nuance behind things.
The whole point of Superman is that he has enough power to take over the world easily, but instead he works a completely normal job, has a normal girlfriend/wife, has children (in some stories). He has all those powers yet all he wants for himself is a normal life. And all he wants to do as Superman is help people, not be an adored figure. He represents what we should all strive to be.
I find Clark Kent to be somewhat inspiring by himself. Aside from being Superman's alter ego; he's honest, reliable, hard-working and considerate...and "in my forty years of journalism he's the fastest typist I've ever seen!"
That's one reason I like One Punch Man so much. It takes that same concept but instead of just wanting to help people he mostly just wants to have fun.
Superheroes were invented by jews and are self ideolized versions of jews, hence why they have 2 identities, and superman is a journalist , spiderman is a nerd that got bullied in school, and Batman and Iron man is rich, and Superheroes don't train to get their powers because jews arent athletic people and they are automatically "special" cause that's how jews view themselves and all the regular people in the superhero world can't inspire to be anything other than victims.
Batman trained to get his training. Him being rich doesn’t mean he didn’t train. X-Men has an entire school for training their powers. Iron man in the MCU only won because of him learning from trial and error and the effort he put into making new technology.
Iron fist. Punisher. Daredevil. The Robins. Nightwing. Cassandra Cain batgirl. Dr Strange. Steel , the black metal superman. Bucky. Falcon. Wildcat. Hawkeye
Yeah Batman, one of the most iconic DC superheroes who has bested your example of Superman is totally just inborn power with no training dedication or thoughtful application of skills. Yup.
I mean he was still born super rich, so fits OPs gripe.
But being born rich so you can dedicate your life to achieving something exceptional instead of struggling with necessity is the essence of "noblesse oblige". And it's still an important moral lesson to teach if you want to continue to encourage human excellence.
Realistically, even exceptional people still need to be freed from daily drudgery to achieve anywhere close to their full potential. And anywhere it's possible to accumulate personal wealth you will have kids born rich enough to do that.
It's best for everyone (even the rich kids) if they believe their most fulfilling goal in life is to achieve great innovation in a field, or that it's their moral responsibility to protect the less powerful from government corruption and criminal elements, rather than pursuing hedonism or filling their Scrouge McDuck moneyvault even higher.
He's not "just super rich" though. He is entirely the product of hard work and dedication to a goal. I'm actually struggling to think of a real "power of money" character. Even wealthy technologists in comics tend to be geniuses capable of and often being first generation gazillionaires. The Fantastic Four for instance were even in a place to receive their powers by being the cream of the crop and being chosen on merit to be deep-space explorers. If op got what he wanted he would just cry harder at half a century of even more extreme power creep in storytelling as the result of "training" and stake raising as the power scale only goes up.
Himmel is barely a character. He is a walking "generic nice guy" whose power seems to be "knows how to recruit the best party." If he hadn't managed to convince the autistic savant whose power level is on par with literal god to join him, his quest would be one of many failures.
It feels like I watched a different series than the rest of these people because he barely has any character that we get to see because he is fucking dead and all the flashbacks are an elf who wasn't paying attention simping for him in retrospect.
I'm glad its helping people, it just don't make sense.
Not at all. Frieren comes to understand just how amazing he was after he's gone. He starts out as a generic hero type but through memories & new experiences Frieren slowly (very slowly!) figures out he was far more amazing than she'd imagined. Not by killing things, but by living every day and helping countless people "along the way".
So he does grow as a character, even though he's, you know, dead and stuff.
That's true, but that's also barely any different than 90% of fantasy heroes. That's going from nothing to generic still. Even when she literally goes back and time and hangs out with him directly, he is the least interesting character who is more the "rock who holds the idiots together."
That's not a bad thing, he does everything he needs to for the story and isn't a detriment. Just I couldn't imagine getting attached to him as a whole.
But if you break it down to that, "helping anyone you see," then it makes a lot more sense why this kid did what he did from him.
if he's "barely any differnt from 90% of fantasy heroes" then he wouldn't be topping the popularity charts of the fandom and more popular than Frieren herself. He's an inspirational character that still feels human and doesn't feel like an unrelatable gary stu with no flaws.
doesn't feel like an unrelatable gary stu with no flaws.
Lol, he is literally so perfect he convinces the unbeatable elf savant to join his party and melts her heart through sheer unstoppable good guy power. His entire personality is described as "always help, always nice."
I get it, you like the show. But let's be real. He is designed as an emotional anchor for her growth, not as a fully rounded character.
IMHO, you're trying to take it directly instead of one layer removed. "The Hero Himmel would have done so," isn't about the actual deeds of Himmel. It's about his legacy and the impact he had to Frieren.
That's kind of the whole point. She's so OP that she's not going to be awed by power anyway. Holding him as aspirational is matter of character and character alone. Makes sense if you consider a more collectivist mindset. You should do the best that you can because it can inspire others to do the same (including those who do have power).
It's putting a face on, "what would a reliably decent person do."
Well this is what happens when people form an emotional weld to characters beyond the usual "that entertained me, had fun." As a result, they intimate values that are not directly expressed in the show. It's a rare phenomenon.
To be clear, everything you said about the story is true. But sentimental attachments to characters with good values, even if they're vague, do help people's lives.
That I understand, its this specific example that throws me off because Himmel is barely a character. His values are beyond vague and generic, as is his personality and presence. I can't grasp getting emotionally invested in his character because there is nothing to grasp on to to begin with. Its just odd, but maybe its those Asian differences cropping up.
Though perhaps the anime did more with him than the manga did and I don't know of it because I'm not a filthy Seasonal FOTM watcher.
Now the kid who thought about Vegeta to survive the bees, that makes a lot more sense.
Now the kid who thought about Vegeta to survive the bees, that makes a lot more sense.
Lol
The conceit of appreciating someone you can no longer spend time with does a lot of heavy lifting in Frieren. Also it's clear that Frieren is the 100% more interesting part of the foil and Himmel is capturing some of her shine. Nobody would watch a Himmel solo series.
Some of Himmel's traits like his unshakable faith in Frieren despite appearances and the ease with which he abandons the hero lifestyle differentiate him ever so slightly, but YMMV.
The conceit of appreciating someone you can no longer spend time with does a lot of heavy lifting in Frieren.
Frieren is a show about that moment in your 20s when you realize that girl was flirting with you in high school, and your reaction to that revelation. Everything else is just details.
Which is why its pretty great and funny a lot of the time. Much more so than whatever "demons are Jews, its all political allegory" point OP has.
if he was just "a generic nice guy" with "barely any character", then he wouldn't be topping the popularity charts of Frieren, . Himmel is the most popular character in the fandom, even more popular than frieren herself.
Doubt. I can log into any social media and see pictures of Frieren and Fern all over, with Ubel not far behind. Like to a dangerous extent the obsession with Frieren herself has become.
I get it, this is your current obsession and anything short of fawning praise of it is heresy. But I can promise you I've consumed more of it than you have and enjoy it enough to discuss it beyond "demons are Jews, Ed Boy."
Its not bad but its nowhere near as wild as OP presents it.
Its a story about an elf mage who did some great shit half a century ago, and her learning to treat time not as infinite (because elf lifespan) and appreciate human lives while she has them.
The demons are more a backdrop because she is a walking genocide on them at any time and just stoically reminds people they are inherently evil over and over as she saves them. They are only part of one major arc and that is a fucking slow dredge of repeating that last thing over and over.
So its pretty good, but if you go into it expecting constant "based takes" you will end up disappointed.
Well technically superman wasn't born with powers as he was born on Krypton under a red sun. It's not until he arrived on earth under it's yellow sun that he got his powers.
I mean it's not hard to be better than Superman whose current accomplishments are: snapping Zod's neck, getting killed, not saving his own father, and being a gay Jesus allegory.
That Frieren show is so huge, I'm considering watching.
Problem is, I was a huge anime fan/collector/fansubber since the 90's and stopped sometime around 2004.
Never watched anything since then... until 2016, because I spent years seeing memes abut Haruhi, and how it became the biggest anime phenomenon since Eva. So I watched a few episodes.
Worst mistake ever.
I was promised a show about a schoolgirl who was LITERAL GOD but didn't know it, and was unknowingly rewriting reality to shape her wishes.
Instead I got high school drama and near zero fantasy/superpowers, with school club meetings and whodunnit mysteries on island vacations.
Then came the (I'm told) notorious "repeated episode" arc where they thought it was CLEVER to repeat the same episode over and over. By the 5th rerun, I quit entirely.
Haven't watched it myself, but I've heard the overall mellow pacing compared to Mushishi (albeit more upbeat) a few times if that gives a reference point.
Haven't seen the show yet, but...
Art should inspire.
Dragon Ball Z has saved people from getting murdered by the Cartel so through Jesus and Anime anything is possible.
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to elaborate on that.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22248376/
It's airing on Netflix right now, afaik.
You should its great
We get it, you're a retard who doesn't understand anything about superheroes as per every single whiny blogpost you make about them. The entire point of Superman isn't about punching the problem, it's solving it despite being able to do so.
Unfortunately it doesn't occur for you either because all you see is the flying brick trope which isn't surprising as with all the clickbait you post your passing interest is only skin deep and misses all the context and nuance behind things.
The whole point of Superman is that he has enough power to take over the world easily, but instead he works a completely normal job, has a normal girlfriend/wife, has children (in some stories). He has all those powers yet all he wants for himself is a normal life. And all he wants to do as Superman is help people, not be an adored figure. He represents what we should all strive to be.
I find Clark Kent to be somewhat inspiring by himself. Aside from being Superman's alter ego; he's honest, reliable, hard-working and considerate...and "in my forty years of journalism he's the fastest typist I've ever seen!"
That's one reason I like One Punch Man so much. It takes that same concept but instead of just wanting to help people he mostly just wants to have fun.
Yeah, but that all makes sense and is reasonable, unlike OP who just wants to seethe about the jews instead.
Superheroes were invented by jews and are self ideolized versions of jews, hence why they have 2 identities, and superman is a journalist , spiderman is a nerd that got bullied in school, and Batman and Iron man is rich, and Superheroes don't train to get their powers because jews arent athletic people and they are automatically "special" cause that's how jews view themselves and all the regular people in the superhero world can't inspire to be anything other than victims.
Batman trained to get his training. Him being rich doesn’t mean he didn’t train. X-Men has an entire school for training their powers. Iron man in the MCU only won because of him learning from trial and error and the effort he put into making new technology.
Iron fist. Punisher. Daredevil. The Robins. Nightwing. Cassandra Cain batgirl. Dr Strange. Steel , the black metal superman. Bucky. Falcon. Wildcat. Hawkeye
Yeah Batman, one of the most iconic DC superheroes who has bested your example of Superman is totally just inborn power with no training dedication or thoughtful application of skills. Yup.
Come off it.
I mean he was still born super rich, so fits OPs gripe.
But being born rich so you can dedicate your life to achieving something exceptional instead of struggling with necessity is the essence of "noblesse oblige". And it's still an important moral lesson to teach if you want to continue to encourage human excellence.
Realistically, even exceptional people still need to be freed from daily drudgery to achieve anywhere close to their full potential. And anywhere it's possible to accumulate personal wealth you will have kids born rich enough to do that.
It's best for everyone (even the rich kids) if they believe their most fulfilling goal in life is to achieve great innovation in a field, or that it's their moral responsibility to protect the less powerful from government corruption and criminal elements, rather than pursuing hedonism or filling their Scrouge McDuck moneyvault even higher.
He's not "just super rich" though. He is entirely the product of hard work and dedication to a goal. I'm actually struggling to think of a real "power of money" character. Even wealthy technologists in comics tend to be geniuses capable of and often being first generation gazillionaires. The Fantastic Four for instance were even in a place to receive their powers by being the cream of the crop and being chosen on merit to be deep-space explorers. If op got what he wanted he would just cry harder at half a century of even more extreme power creep in storytelling as the result of "training" and stake raising as the power scale only goes up.
he's rich
Oh boy that orphan privilege.
Himmel is barely a character. He is a walking "generic nice guy" whose power seems to be "knows how to recruit the best party." If he hadn't managed to convince the autistic savant whose power level is on par with literal god to join him, his quest would be one of many failures.
It feels like I watched a different series than the rest of these people because he barely has any character that we get to see because he is fucking dead and all the flashbacks are an elf who wasn't paying attention simping for him in retrospect.
I'm glad its helping people, it just don't make sense.
Not at all. Frieren comes to understand just how amazing he was after he's gone. He starts out as a generic hero type but through memories & new experiences Frieren slowly (very slowly!) figures out he was far more amazing than she'd imagined. Not by killing things, but by living every day and helping countless people "along the way".
So he does grow as a character, even though he's, you know, dead and stuff.
That's true, but that's also barely any different than 90% of fantasy heroes. That's going from nothing to generic still. Even when she literally goes back and time and hangs out with him directly, he is the least interesting character who is more the "rock who holds the idiots together."
That's not a bad thing, he does everything he needs to for the story and isn't a detriment. Just I couldn't imagine getting attached to him as a whole.
But if you break it down to that, "helping anyone you see," then it makes a lot more sense why this kid did what he did from him.
if he's "barely any differnt from 90% of fantasy heroes" then he wouldn't be topping the popularity charts of the fandom and more popular than Frieren herself. He's an inspirational character that still feels human and doesn't feel like an unrelatable gary stu with no flaws.
Lol, he is literally so perfect he convinces the unbeatable elf savant to join his party and melts her heart through sheer unstoppable good guy power. His entire personality is described as "always help, always nice."
I get it, you like the show. But let's be real. He is designed as an emotional anchor for her growth, not as a fully rounded character.
IMHO, you're trying to take it directly instead of one layer removed. "The Hero Himmel would have done so," isn't about the actual deeds of Himmel. It's about his legacy and the impact he had to Frieren.
That's kind of the whole point. She's so OP that she's not going to be awed by power anyway. Holding him as aspirational is matter of character and character alone. Makes sense if you consider a more collectivist mindset. You should do the best that you can because it can inspire others to do the same (including those who do have power).
It's putting a face on, "what would a reliably decent person do."
Well this is what happens when people form an emotional weld to characters beyond the usual "that entertained me, had fun." As a result, they intimate values that are not directly expressed in the show. It's a rare phenomenon.
To be clear, everything you said about the story is true. But sentimental attachments to characters with good values, even if they're vague, do help people's lives.
That I understand, its this specific example that throws me off because Himmel is barely a character. His values are beyond vague and generic, as is his personality and presence. I can't grasp getting emotionally invested in his character because there is nothing to grasp on to to begin with. Its just odd, but maybe its those Asian differences cropping up.
Though perhaps the anime did more with him than the manga did and I don't know of it because I'm not a filthy Seasonal FOTM watcher.
Now the kid who thought about Vegeta to survive the bees, that makes a lot more sense.
Lol
The conceit of appreciating someone you can no longer spend time with does a lot of heavy lifting in Frieren. Also it's clear that Frieren is the 100% more interesting part of the foil and Himmel is capturing some of her shine. Nobody would watch a Himmel solo series.
Some of Himmel's traits like his unshakable faith in Frieren despite appearances and the ease with which he abandons the hero lifestyle differentiate him ever so slightly, but YMMV.
Frieren is a show about that moment in your 20s when you realize that girl was flirting with you in high school, and your reaction to that revelation. Everything else is just details.
Which is why its pretty great and funny a lot of the time. Much more so than whatever "demons are Jews, its all political allegory" point OP has.
if he was just "a generic nice guy" with "barely any character", then he wouldn't be topping the popularity charts of Frieren, . Himmel is the most popular character in the fandom, even more popular than frieren herself.
Doubt. I can log into any social media and see pictures of Frieren and Fern all over, with Ubel not far behind. Like to a dangerous extent the obsession with Frieren herself has become.
I get it, this is your current obsession and anything short of fawning praise of it is heresy. But I can promise you I've consumed more of it than you have and enjoy it enough to discuss it beyond "demons are Jews, Ed Boy."
Might have to start reading Frieren, it sounds kind of based.
Its not bad but its nowhere near as wild as OP presents it.
Its a story about an elf mage who did some great shit half a century ago, and her learning to treat time not as infinite (because elf lifespan) and appreciate human lives while she has them.
The demons are more a backdrop because she is a walking genocide on them at any time and just stoically reminds people they are inherently evil over and over as she saves them. They are only part of one major arc and that is a fucking slow dredge of repeating that last thing over and over.
So its pretty good, but if you go into it expecting constant "based takes" you will end up disappointed.
It's out on Netflix right now, I think? It is very based. Probably the best Anime in the past 20 years.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22248376/
Well technically superman wasn't born with powers as he was born on Krypton under a red sun. It's not until he arrived on earth under it's yellow sun that he got his powers.
Can you lower your faggotry for this anime. Fucking Christ.
Not to get too "every single time," but you should look up the early life of every American superhero creator.
Has there been a new season announcement or what's going on with the Frieren spam?
I mean it's not hard to be better than Superman whose current accomplishments are: snapping Zod's neck, getting killed, not saving his own father, and being a gay Jesus allegory.
Is this the thread to ask who'd win, red Hulk or superman
"The winner is whoever the writer WANTS to win!"
Stan Lee
Superman throws hulk into space. Red Hulk is now floating through space forever.
That Frieren show is so huge, I'm considering watching.
Problem is, I was a huge anime fan/collector/fansubber since the 90's and stopped sometime around 2004.
Never watched anything since then... until 2016, because I spent years seeing memes abut Haruhi, and how it became the biggest anime phenomenon since Eva. So I watched a few episodes.
Worst mistake ever.
I was promised a show about a schoolgirl who was LITERAL GOD but didn't know it, and was unknowingly rewriting reality to shape her wishes.
Instead I got high school drama and near zero fantasy/superpowers, with school club meetings and whodunnit mysteries on island vacations.
Then came the (I'm told) notorious "repeated episode" arc where they thought it was CLEVER to repeat the same episode over and over. By the 5th rerun, I quit entirely.
Haven't watched any anime since.
Watch the first 2-3 and make up your own mind.
Haven't watched it myself, but I've heard the overall mellow pacing compared to Mushishi (albeit more upbeat) a few times if that gives a reference point.