The left and the judiciary's definition of "violence" is fluid and dishonest.
During the trucker protest in Alberta in 2022, a farmer was sent to jail for running over a traffic cone, with the bitch RCMP officer crying in court claiming he feared for his life.
Pajeet-fucker Vance just said they would NOT pardon anyone who committed "violence." Okay, but based on who's definition? According to the DOJ, they ALL committed some kind of "violence," hence why they were arrested. So who's definition are we using here? I think Trump will once again cuck himself and go by the DOJ's definition for, once again, mUh OpTiCs.
We shouldn't even be having this conversation. It should be blanket pardons across the board. That's what Dems already do for Antifa!
Just see how it plays out as remember, the cops LET them in and they were seen staying within the velvet rope. I wouldn't be surprised if those not pardoned end up being FBI provocateurs.
And a cop shot at random in a crowd ( correction edit : he aimed at the unarmed woman ), killing an unarmed woman. Biden gave him a medal. He should be in jail for 30 years.
And a cop shot at random in a crowd, killing an unarmed woman.
This isn't true and I don't know why people keep saying it is. It's a lot like leftists saying Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people in cold blood.
When Ashlii Babbitt was shot, she was climbing through a broken window to gain access to an area the officer was guarding. There was a shouting, excited crowd behind her, who surely would have followed her in.
Whether the cop was right or wrong to shoot her, he didn't fire randomly into a crowd. He targeted the person breaching a locked (and I think, from memory, barricaded) corridor.
Why misrepresent when there is video of the whole thing? The trigger-happy diversity hire could have shot the armed police officers in full gear behind (typo : ) Ashli Babbit ( and who could have interviened at any time to stop the unarmed woman ).
There was a shouting, excited crowd behind her, who surely would have followed her in.
Like the police officers in full gear carring big guns behind her? Yeah they could have follower her in. Or stop her if they wanted to. Without killing the unarmed woman.
Might I add, those police officers in full gear with big guns right in the middle of the crowd felt safe-enough not shooting anyone. But they sure got agitated and one raised his gun when someone pew-pewed a woman into the afterlife.
Extra : The people who got shot by Kyle RIttenhouse in self-defense were doing things like bashing him in the head with a skateboard or pointing a gun at him first. Ashli Babbit did nothing comparable to get shot. Please don't invoke Kyle Rittenhouse to defend a murderer.
Like the police officers in full gear caring big guns behind her?
Those police actually showed up in response to the gunfire because they were actively searching the crowd for an alleged "active shooter". They weren't actually there when they entered, they were down the stairs.
/u/FreeSpeechSquid is correct, the officer didn't fire randomly into the crowd. He intentionally shot Ashley Babbit in the the chest.
They weren't, we have the badge cams. They originally assumed that it was a the active shooter they were looking for, not a cop, until they were able to get to the scene.
It's obvious she was gaining entry to the barricaded corridor and it's obvious the officer was targeting her specifically with a single shot, not shooting randomly into a crowd as you said.
The crowd was shouting and smashing the windows. Ashlii was climbing through. It's reasonable to think the officer was frightened of what would happen when they gained entry.
Like the police officers in full gear carring big guns behind her? Yeah they could have follower her in. Or stop her if they wanted to. Without killing the unarmed woman.
Sure, but that doesn't mean he wasn't justifiably frightened, and it doesn't change that it is you who mischaracterized the event.
Extra : The people who got shot by Kyle RIttenhouse in self-defense were doing things like bashing him in the head with a skateboard or pointing a gun at him first. Ashli Babbit did nothing comparable to get shot. Please don't invoke Kyle Rittenhouse to defend a murderer.
What is comparable is that you are making things up in order to vilify the shooter further than the facts support. That is exactly what the entire left spent months doing to Rittenhouse. It's what they do all the time. While I advocate for using every single one of the left's tactics against them, we will only betray ourselves if we stop caring about facts.
I will agree the circumstances of the shootings are quite different. The three who were shot by Rittenhouse were brazenly attempting to murder him, and two were armed - whereas Ashlii was unarmed and entering a barricaded room. Unlike them, she did not deserve to be killed.
john sullivan is a BLM activist who shouted he had a knife to get up to the front, along with his npr/pbs journo camerawoman. That's how they got that footage of ashley babbit.
I also saw the protestors pull masked antifa-looking people just smashing windows down and away from the window
Oh and ray epps who seemed to try to organise illegal stuff
There are at least 3 who don't deserve any pardon.
That one guy who kept breaking windows and yelling to rush the place even as protesters were telling him to stop should not be pardoned. Not Ray Epps but another one. Then there's a guy seen from the inside of the building handing a pipe thru a window to a guy outside. Did they ever identify him? Yes once the doors were opened and windows already broken anybody who went in shouldn't have been charged.
I'm ok with a blanket pardon too but taking a few days to make sure you do it right can't hurt.
Then Vance should change his rhetoric that they aren't pardoning glowies then instead of hiding behind his opponents' easily manipulated concepts of "violence".
He married a jeet and gave his half-jeet children full-jeet names.
I'm sure this guy is 100% pro-America and 100% pro-White Americans, definitely not a plant or controlled-opposition, and I have none of the reasons listed above to believe otherwise /s
I guess it’s down to how they apply the conditional in that statement. Because obviously, if they buy into the “‘trespassing’ is violence” line that the left has been taking, that’s bad. If they follow this up by saying “oh, after some review, it turns out none of them committed violence,” that’s great. It makes it harder for the left to individually attack the people that they pardon, or to use those pardons politically.
Remember, both for political narrative and for the sake of the victims themselves, it’s not enough to pardon and forget. They really have to hammer that none of these people have done anything that should even need to be pardoned. Sure, you’re welcome to doom and say “OMG Vance won’t guarantee pardoning everyone!”—and I’ll admit there is a chance that they fumble it—but it’s also important to make statements like this if you’re trying to make it clear that you’re not just blindly pardoning a bunch of violent rioters because they’re on your side.
but it’s also important to make statements like this if you’re trying to make it clear that you’re not just blindly pardoning a bunch of violent rioters because they’re on your side.
No it's not. That means you accept their false position. That the pardons will be ideological and are meant to release a riot squad. Who even believes that bullshit? Then when you explain it away you allow it to become part of the conversation.
Vance is a retarded political operative. This was an intentional failure and a missed opportunity to take control of the typical hand wringing elitist Washington D.C. narrative sphere. Dude is a weakling.
Dooming, shilling, attacking the actually SUCCESFUL right wing elements (attacking the Trump admin, on the literal pro-trump site no less, over your own hysterics) and deliberately advocating for counterproductive retarded stances.
And
15 days old, conpro poster account, brigading a board that you have zero understanding of.
Go tell your wife's boyfriend you can't pay his salary anymore, fed goblin. You're super obvious. You lost, and you'll always lose. Die mad about it.
This might end up playing into the 5D chess meme where the statements being made are specifically worded to provide the rabid Left just enough rope to trip themselves up when it turns out practically everyone gets pardoned because the new admin claims they didn't commit any violence.
Except for the obvious plants that is.
So right now it seems like the planned decision is going to be status quo-ish because normies are all worked up into a frenzy where they believe everyone was violently ransacking the place and throwing pipe bombs, only for the rug to get pulled out in a double whammy that also attacks the reporting that's gone on about the whole thing for the last 4 years.
That's an expected conditional, as a blanket one would be too easy for the opposition to tear into and cause endless headaches about. But by adding the condition it makes it seem like each one was carefully reviewed and then dismissed with consideration.
At least, that's my hope by it. Vance has earned a few modicums of trust from me so far with his oration, so we will see if that evaporates quickly.
As long as they're not counting "one of 20 people pushing on a barrier against some cops who were also pushing on that barrier" as "violence", I don't mind the qualification.
But, like with most things, we're going to have to wait to see how this is implemented before being able to judge.
You know that the media, democrats, and Liz Cheney are going to run with "Trump is pardoning terrorists!" headlines, so it makes sense to try to at least temper that somewhat by getting ahead of it with priming like this.
Vance tweeted about this just a bit ago. Quit the doomposting and black pilling and just see how it plays out. The take is reasonable depending on how it's interpreted. Fed provacateurs don't deserve pardons.
Gotta make sure we punch right just a little, pedes! Even if it's against people who are merely accused of being further right and realistically are neolib boomers.
Having "friends" is what leftists do, and if we sink to their level, they win!
You have to remember this philosoraptor guy is a DeSantoid loss-addicted unstable freak so he's going to do the exact same fixate, intentionally misinterpret, and shriek routine that leftists use any time he sees something that can be used against Trump guys.
Given that pretty much none of them committed any violence...
The left and the judiciary's definition of "violence" is fluid and dishonest.
During the trucker protest in Alberta in 2022, a farmer was sent to jail for running over a traffic cone, with the bitch RCMP officer crying in court claiming he feared for his life.
Lol it's not the left or the judiciary issuing pardons
Pajeet-fucker Vance just said they would NOT pardon anyone who committed "violence." Okay, but based on who's definition? According to the DOJ, they ALL committed some kind of "violence," hence why they were arrested. So who's definition are we using here? I think Trump will once again cuck himself and go by the DOJ's definition for, once again, mUh OpTiCs.
We shouldn't even be having this conversation. It should be blanket pardons across the board. That's what Dems already do for Antifa!
Are you fucking retarded? Was it that hard to read the few words I wrote?
As in, Trump administration is the arbiter of what to pardon? Thankfully.
As in, the Left dosen't hand pardons like candy to actual dangerous criminals? Biden's handlers are currently in a pardon-the-scum-of-the-Earth spree.
So ALL J6ers are getting pardoned then?
Just see how it plays out as remember, the cops LET them in and they were seen staying within the velvet rope. I wouldn't be surprised if those not pardoned end up being FBI provocateurs.
There was some vandalism.
And a cop shot at random in a crowd ( correction edit : he aimed at the unarmed woman ), killing an unarmed woman. Biden gave him a medal. He should be in jail for 30 years.
This isn't true and I don't know why people keep saying it is. It's a lot like leftists saying Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people in cold blood.
When Ashlii Babbitt was shot, she was climbing through a broken window to gain access to an area the officer was guarding. There was a shouting, excited crowd behind her, who surely would have followed her in.
Whether the cop was right or wrong to shoot her, he didn't fire randomly into a crowd. He targeted the person breaching a locked (and I think, from memory, barricaded) corridor.
Why misrepresent when there is video of the whole thing? The trigger-happy diversity hire could have shot the armed police officers in full gear behind (typo : ) Ashli Babbit ( and who could have interviened at any time to stop the unarmed woman ).
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572
Like the police officers in full gear carring big guns behind her? Yeah they could have follower her in. Or stop her if they wanted to. Without killing the unarmed woman.
Might I add, those police officers in full gear with big guns right in the middle of the crowd felt safe-enough not shooting anyone. But they sure got agitated and one raised his gun when someone pew-pewed a woman into the afterlife.
Extra : The people who got shot by Kyle RIttenhouse in self-defense were doing things like bashing him in the head with a skateboard or pointing a gun at him first. Ashli Babbit did nothing comparable to get shot. Please don't invoke Kyle Rittenhouse to defend a murderer.
Those police actually showed up in response to the gunfire because they were actively searching the crowd for an alleged "active shooter". They weren't actually there when they entered, they were down the stairs.
/u/FreeSpeechSquid is correct, the officer didn't fire randomly into the crowd. He intentionally shot Ashley Babbit in the the chest.
Liar. They were standing right behind her when she was shot.
They weren't, we have the badge cams. They originally assumed that it was a the active shooter they were looking for, not a cop, until they were able to get to the scene.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. You can see her falling back from the window in your video, and you can see her climbing through it in this one: https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/videos-show-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-siege/
It's obvious she was gaining entry to the barricaded corridor and it's obvious the officer was targeting her specifically with a single shot, not shooting randomly into a crowd as you said.
The crowd was shouting and smashing the windows. Ashlii was climbing through. It's reasonable to think the officer was frightened of what would happen when they gained entry.
Sure, but that doesn't mean he wasn't justifiably frightened, and it doesn't change that it is you who mischaracterized the event.
What is comparable is that you are making things up in order to vilify the shooter further than the facts support. That is exactly what the entire left spent months doing to Rittenhouse. It's what they do all the time. While I advocate for using every single one of the left's tactics against them, we will only betray ourselves if we stop caring about facts.
I will agree the circumstances of the shootings are quite different. The three who were shot by Rittenhouse were brazenly attempting to murder him, and two were armed - whereas Ashlii was unarmed and entering a barricaded room. Unlike them, she did not deserve to be killed.
The proud boys trial.
They grabbed a police shield that had dropped.
"Violence."
john sullivan is a BLM activist who shouted he had a knife to get up to the front, along with his npr/pbs journo camerawoman. That's how they got that footage of ashley babbit.
I also saw the protestors pull masked antifa-looking people just smashing windows down and away from the window
Oh and ray epps who seemed to try to organise illegal stuff
There are at least 3 who don't deserve any pardon.
Trump needs to pardon every single J6er.
They had their lives ruined and were only in D.C. because of Trump.
Vance hasn't even take the oath and been swore in and he is becoming squishy like Pence.
WTF is this nonsense.
That one guy who kept breaking windows and yelling to rush the place even as protesters were telling him to stop should not be pardoned. Not Ray Epps but another one. Then there's a guy seen from the inside of the building handing a pipe thru a window to a guy outside. Did they ever identify him? Yes once the doors were opened and windows already broken anybody who went in shouldn't have been charged.
I'm ok with a blanket pardon too but taking a few days to make sure you do it right can't hurt.
Then Vance should change his rhetoric that they aren't pardoning glowies then instead of hiding behind his opponents' easily manipulated concepts of "violence".
Lol no his rhetoric is spot on. The admin is defining violence because pardons can't be stopped
He's a racecuck excited to be in hindu-ized. I highly doubt he cares about all the trumper blue collar whites that are in prison.
He went to an ivy league school.
He has/had a lot of gay friends.
He had multiple troon friends.
He was publicly a "never-Trumper".
He married a jeet and gave his half-jeet children full-jeet names.
I'm sure this guy is 100% pro-America and 100% pro-White Americans, definitely not a plant or controlled-opposition, and I have none of the reasons listed above to believe otherwise /s
Oh. The CIA. They're not going to let populism get in the way of their agenda.
I guess it’s down to how they apply the conditional in that statement. Because obviously, if they buy into the “‘trespassing’ is violence” line that the left has been taking, that’s bad. If they follow this up by saying “oh, after some review, it turns out none of them committed violence,” that’s great. It makes it harder for the left to individually attack the people that they pardon, or to use those pardons politically.
Remember, both for political narrative and for the sake of the victims themselves, it’s not enough to pardon and forget. They really have to hammer that none of these people have done anything that should even need to be pardoned. Sure, you’re welcome to doom and say “OMG Vance won’t guarantee pardoning everyone!”—and I’ll admit there is a chance that they fumble it—but it’s also important to make statements like this if you’re trying to make it clear that you’re not just blindly pardoning a bunch of violent rioters because they’re on your side.
No it's not. That means you accept their false position. That the pardons will be ideological and are meant to release a riot squad. Who even believes that bullshit? Then when you explain it away you allow it to become part of the conversation.
Vance is a retarded political operative. This was an intentional failure and a missed opportunity to take control of the typical hand wringing elitist Washington D.C. narrative sphere. Dude is a weakling.
Let's pull the mask off here.
Dooming, shilling, attacking the actually SUCCESFUL right wing elements (attacking the Trump admin, on the literal pro-trump site no less, over your own hysterics) and deliberately advocating for counterproductive retarded stances.
And 15 days old, conpro poster account, brigading a board that you have zero understanding of.
Go tell your wife's boyfriend you can't pay his salary anymore, fed goblin. You're super obvious. You lost, and you'll always lose. Die mad about it.
Why would they need to buy into anything the left says at all
This might end up playing into the 5D chess meme where the statements being made are specifically worded to provide the rabid Left just enough rope to trip themselves up when it turns out practically everyone gets pardoned because the new admin claims they didn't commit any violence.
Except for the obvious plants that is.
So right now it seems like the planned decision is going to be status quo-ish because normies are all worked up into a frenzy where they believe everyone was violently ransacking the place and throwing pipe bombs, only for the rug to get pulled out in a double whammy that also attacks the reporting that's gone on about the whole thing for the last 4 years.
Yeah! Just two more weeks!
5D chess does not exist. Even if it were, no one who has enough money to play it, gives a wet shit about you.
I'm okay with this because it was more than likely the agent provocateurs who initiated and called for the violence.
You mean the guys like Ray Epps, who were never even arrested?
Next week it will change again to any J6ers that committed the heinous crime of trespassing
That's an expected conditional, as a blanket one would be too easy for the opposition to tear into and cause endless headaches about. But by adding the condition it makes it seem like each one was carefully reviewed and then dismissed with consideration.
At least, that's my hope by it. Vance has earned a few modicums of trust from me so far with his oration, so we will see if that evaporates quickly.
As long as they're not counting "one of 20 people pushing on a barrier against some cops who were also pushing on that barrier" as "violence", I don't mind the qualification.
But, like with most things, we're going to have to wait to see how this is implemented before being able to judge.
You know that the media, democrats, and Liz Cheney are going to run with "Trump is pardoning terrorists!" headlines, so it makes sense to try to at least temper that somewhat by getting ahead of it with priming like this.
Vance tweeted about this just a bit ago. Quit the doomposting and black pilling and just see how it plays out. The take is reasonable depending on how it's interpreted. Fed provacateurs don't deserve pardons.
I like how Fox News holds the camera on him to make his very reasonable statement sound as incredulous as possible.
Nobody should hold their breath for a pardon.
But Vance’s answer is intentionally ambiguous as you’d expect on a loaded question
Gotta make sure we punch right just a little, pedes! Even if it's against people who are merely accused of being further right and realistically are neolib boomers.
Having "friends" is what leftists do, and if we sink to their level, they win!
You have to remember this philosoraptor guy is a DeSantoid loss-addicted unstable freak so he's going to do the exact same fixate, intentionally misinterpret, and shriek routine that leftists use any time he sees something that can be used against Trump guys.
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1878461134589575408