If these stupid libs cared at all about Ukraine they'd be ecstatic about the prospect of this devastating war coming to an end. But they aren't. It was never about helping Ukraine, always about "defeating Russia".
And look how that turned out. Nearly million dead Ukrainians later and they're going to get a worse outcome than if they'd just negotiated in the beginning.
Don't forget this was after years and years of both Obama and Hillary saying Russia wasn't a threat and mocking the GOPs insistent to consider Russia a potential enemy.
And, for some strange reason, we've got liberals coming out of the woodworks, foaming at the mouth and shrieking about killing ziggers.
Come to think, I wonder if all those Ukraine threads on /k will drop off all of a sudden...
It's all about killing as many Russians as possible to get their revenge for inflicting Trump on them, no matter how many Ukrainians have to die or how much it costs.
That's really the understated truth of the Russian panic. To libs, the Ukraine War is a proxy war between Democrats and Republicans.
They were also paying real money to put spiteful messages on artillery shells in hopes that it'd land on one of the "subhumans" they thought was responsible for Trump, to put things in perspective.
Remember at the start of the war all the libs were begging for Musk and his Starlink to get involved? Now they are terrified he was part of a conference call?
I'd like to find the moment the media become so feminized. Because you're right it's nothing but over-emotional dreck. Even their puff pieces are saccharine enough to give you diabetes.
The United States chose the course of action that guaranteed the maximum amount of death with the least amount of results. Instead of refusing to back a non-NATO member, or fighting the war in earnest and quickly defeating Russia, the Biden administration decided to simply send old weapons to Ukraine, enriching our defense contractors and prolonging the war as much as possible.
the left will say it was all for nothing when they'd happily send another million people to their deaths for the sunk cost fallacy (and their stock portfolios).
End the war, take the L, de-escalate, and move on.
I think Musk has been a friend to Ukraine, vaguely. But he wanted Starlink to be used for peaceful purposes -- essential to lifesaving in a warzone. But not to promote more death which is what ended up happening.
So looks like setting the stage for day one the Ukraine War will be over.
My guess is that the Donbas region will either be independent fully or administratively but more or less a buffer zone. Putin needs an exit that keeps his credibility and Ukraine just needs this to end to begin a century of rebuilding.
Putin's credibility comes from having the most battle hardened army in the world, and redefining the modern concept of land warfare to effectively completely defeat NATO doctrine and equipment. He's beloved at home and the Russians don't have to kidnap old men off the streets to do their "recruiting."
Unlike the United States he doesn't have a credibility problem. The rest of the world knows that Zelensky was trying to detonate the Kursk nuclear power plant. They know we were going to let him do it.
The Russians have no need to accept a white peace, nor the inclination. The Ukies are going to have to surrender.
It was won in a week. We and the British convinced the Ukies that we'd back them to the hilt and it'd let them win. That's why the Ukies didn't surrender in Turkey.
Wars don't mean never taking losses, that's Hollywood horseshit. The Russians are a hard people, they came prepared to absorb and replace losses and they have done so successfully.
And at this point their tech is as good as ours or better, save for in space ISR. Something I once had a personal hand in I might add, so I know this for a fact. Most importantly their tech is reliable and a lot of our stuff is chockablock with proprietary mechanics and prima donna electronics. Their missile tech is a decade ahead of us right now.
Having been part of the thing you're talking up, I assure you you're wrong. The war planners are scared shitless right now.
Especially when it comes to replacement of materiel. We don't even produce as many shells as either the Russians or the Norks let alone both combined. Not to mention that the Khinzal system has essentially a 100% success rate against Patriot batteries.
What are you talking about? The 5th Gen fighter (that uses the same engines as their 4th Gen fighter) is totally stealthy (it has the same RCS as an F-18 Hornet...fully loaded) and is of supreme build quality (it has exposed wood screws). Fear the glorious Su-57....all 9 of them.
This is why I was saying pretty early on to just ignore Russia, respond to their nuclear threats with "You wont, no balls" and let Ukraine off the leash. That time was about a year or two ago, and now the best outcome for everyone is Donbas is lost, Ukraine enters some sort of military protection from the US to make sure this doesnt happen again, and Russia gets to go back home with what is left of its dignity.
They most definitely do not give you cocaine and meth. In fact, if you work at a government contractor you likely though not certainly get drug tested.
Dude it's a joke like how people say Keltec designers are on meth.
When you come up with ridiculous shit but it works (sort of for Keltec) people make jokes about how you must have the smartest people high to come up with it.
I feel like Russia getting off to a slow start is kind of par for the course though. It feels to me like the Russian military is always, for lack of a better word, sluggish and clumsy at the start of the war and takes some time to warm up and figure things out. So while the start of the war might be a disaster for Russia, they do have the stamina to fight it out and harden. From my admittedly amateurish position as armchair general, it looks much like the same pattern the Russians followed in every major war since Napoleon.
Considering all their old soviet junk got destroyed in the early days, their aresenal has been modernized by the conflict. All replacements are modern.
Considering all their old soviet junk got destroyed in the early days, their aresenal has been modernized by the conflict. All replacements are modern.
If these stupid libs cared at all about Ukraine they'd be ecstatic about the prospect of this devastating war coming to an end. But they aren't. It was never about helping Ukraine, always about "defeating Russia".
And look how that turned out. Nearly million dead Ukrainians later and they're going to get a worse outcome than if they'd just negotiated in the beginning.
the tolerant left are happy to send a million men to their deaths to own the chuds. Remember that.
I'm not likely to forget.
Just just men, Caucasian men.
Don't forget this was after years and years of both Obama and Hillary saying Russia wasn't a threat and mocking the GOPs insistent to consider Russia a potential enemy.
And, for some strange reason, we've got liberals coming out of the woodworks, foaming at the mouth and shrieking about killing ziggers.
Come to think, I wonder if all those Ukraine threads on /k will drop off all of a sudden...
This was the 4chan Brony word for Zebras, and I was monumentally confused for a second. Thank you for the chuckle.
It's all about killing as many Russians as possible to get their revenge for inflicting Trump on them, no matter how many Ukrainians have to die or how much it costs.
That's really the understated truth of the Russian panic. To libs, the Ukraine War is a proxy war between Democrats and Republicans.
They were also paying real money to put spiteful messages on artillery shells in hopes that it'd land on one of the "subhumans" they thought was responsible for Trump, to put things in perspective.
Remember at the start of the war all the libs were begging for Musk and his Starlink to get involved? Now they are terrified he was part of a conference call?
They have since "found out" that Musk communicates with Pootie Poot on the regular.
eh.. it's fake and gay both ways..
he was in the room and was handed the phone during an unofficial call.
it's benign. weird for CNN to hyperventilate over it, equally weird to headline it "musk and trump tell zelensky atm is closed."
breathless emotionality on all sides.
I'd like to find the moment the media become so feminized. Because you're right it's nothing but over-emotional dreck. Even their puff pieces are saccharine enough to give you diabetes.
The United States chose the course of action that guaranteed the maximum amount of death with the least amount of results. Instead of refusing to back a non-NATO member, or fighting the war in earnest and quickly defeating Russia, the Biden administration decided to simply send old weapons to Ukraine, enriching our defense contractors and prolonging the war as much as possible.
the left will say it was all for nothing when they'd happily send another million people to their deaths for the sunk cost fallacy (and their stock portfolios).
End the war, take the L, de-escalate, and move on.
lol, lmao even
You love to see it.
Must sting a little after they threathened Musk because he refused to let them use Starlink in direct war operations.
I’m sure he doesn’t have any love lost for that worm Zelensky after he put Musk on the Ukrainian Kill List.
Something which itself would have been big leagues illegal. We're talking casus belli, international crime illegal.
They have no idea what they said.
I think Musk has been a friend to Ukraine, vaguely. But he wanted Starlink to be used for peaceful purposes -- essential to lifesaving in a warzone. But not to promote more death which is what ended up happening.
So looks like setting the stage for day one the Ukraine War will be over.
My guess is that the Donbas region will either be independent fully or administratively but more or less a buffer zone. Putin needs an exit that keeps his credibility and Ukraine just needs this to end to begin a century of rebuilding.
Putin's credibility comes from having the most battle hardened army in the world, and redefining the modern concept of land warfare to effectively completely defeat NATO doctrine and equipment. He's beloved at home and the Russians don't have to kidnap old men off the streets to do their "recruiting."
Unlike the United States he doesn't have a credibility problem. The rest of the world knows that Zelensky was trying to detonate the Kursk nuclear power plant. They know we were going to let him do it.
The Russians have no need to accept a white peace, nor the inclination. The Ukies are going to have to surrender.
Let's be honest here, Russia fucked up, this SHOULD'VE been won in a week but the Russian military leaders were inept and corrupt and fucked it up.
Russia has lost men and equipment it SHOULD NOT have in this war and their military tech is not even on par with the US's 3rd generation gear.
They're winning by doing the WW1 tactic of creeping artillery and moving troops behind but this is far from a decisive win it should have been.
It was won in a week. We and the British convinced the Ukies that we'd back them to the hilt and it'd let them win. That's why the Ukies didn't surrender in Turkey.
Wars don't mean never taking losses, that's Hollywood horseshit. The Russians are a hard people, they came prepared to absorb and replace losses and they have done so successfully.
And at this point their tech is as good as ours or better, save for in space ISR. Something I once had a personal hand in I might add, so I know this for a fact. Most importantly their tech is reliable and a lot of our stuff is chockablock with proprietary mechanics and prima donna electronics. Their missile tech is a decade ahead of us right now.
Laughs in DARPA which is essentially what happens when you give engineers cocaine, meth and a bottomless budget...
No one in the world STILL has a fighter on par with the F22 which is around two decades old.
Having been part of the thing you're talking up, I assure you you're wrong. The war planners are scared shitless right now.
Especially when it comes to replacement of materiel. We don't even produce as many shells as either the Russians or the Norks let alone both combined. Not to mention that the Khinzal system has essentially a 100% success rate against Patriot batteries.
What are you talking about? The 5th Gen fighter (that uses the same engines as their 4th Gen fighter) is totally stealthy (it has the same RCS as an F-18 Hornet...fully loaded) and is of supreme build quality (it has exposed wood screws). Fear the glorious Su-57....all 9 of them.
This is why I was saying pretty early on to just ignore Russia, respond to their nuclear threats with "You wont, no balls" and let Ukraine off the leash. That time was about a year or two ago, and now the best outcome for everyone is Donbas is lost, Ukraine enters some sort of military protection from the US to make sure this doesnt happen again, and Russia gets to go back home with what is left of its dignity.
They most definitely do not give you cocaine and meth. In fact, if you work at a government contractor you likely though not certainly get drug tested.
Dude it's a joke like how people say Keltec designers are on meth.
When you come up with ridiculous shit but it works (sort of for Keltec) people make jokes about how you must have the smartest people high to come up with it.
But we don't even give UA our good stuff?
Yep. But it's still our stuff, so now we have a baseline of the effectiveness against an army that isn't just illiterate desert rats.
And it's not looking good.
I feel like Russia getting off to a slow start is kind of par for the course though. It feels to me like the Russian military is always, for lack of a better word, sluggish and clumsy at the start of the war and takes some time to warm up and figure things out. So while the start of the war might be a disaster for Russia, they do have the stamina to fight it out and harden. From my admittedly amateurish position as armchair general, it looks much like the same pattern the Russians followed in every major war since Napoleon.
Considering all their old soviet junk got destroyed in the early days, their aresenal has been modernized by the conflict. All replacements are modern.
Considering all their old soviet junk got destroyed in the early days, their aresenal has been modernized by the conflict. All replacements are modern.
What makes you say that? Russia is winning decisively. He may not even want to negotiate and just continue steamrolling Donetsk Oblast.
It'll be more than just Donbas. Russia wants to preserve their land bridge to Crimea, so they will want Kherson as well.
Unprecedented old is new developments in our country man.
I hope all these people burn alive
Germany has experience in that part of the world. Let them handle it. It’s not that far for them really probably just a few tanks to get there.
I hear it’s lovely in Winter
Oh yeah, Operation Barbarossa, Stalingrad, the Battle of Kursk, those Germans have a great record of getting ground into hamburger by the Red Army.
my government is too pussy to do anything in that regard.
we still accept that we are under 2+4, which prohibits us from properly arming ourselves.
But not to Israel though
"Full-throated" 🍆(^○^)
Feels a little bit too late to be honest.