EDIT: said accessories "not included" anyways. External disc drive is $80, don't know how much the stand is. Suddenly a gaming PC doesn't seem too expensive.
Yep, I made a reply like that elsewhere here. Moving PlayStation headquarters to California and the subsequent abuse of small Japanese devs was their doom. That was the moment I went PC Master Race.
They literally had a niche carved out where people buy consoles to play japanese games. While xbox was for cod and halo and nintendo was for mario or zelda.
Oh yeah... console controllers where they go bad in a year or two from drifting or dead zones lol. I can use the same keyboars and mouse for 5 to 8 years. Hehe.
Lucky you with the 5 to 8 years. I have had mice break right after warrenty expired. Keyboards are fine, though I won't be buying any mechanical anymore. Every single one I owned had keyboard chatter or multiple inputs, even brand new ones had those issues. Good ol' membrane still going strong that's where 5 to 8 seems more realistic.
Membrane keyboards are not "good ol'" tech, they're mass produced shoddy slop with severe restrictions. They were made for laptops. Do you even know what n key rollover is?
Mice, yeah modern mice are too fragile. But a good mechanical keyboard doesn't break unless you fuck it, and is repairable.
It's honestly for the better going with PC. Consoles are on their last legs, Microsoft might just stop altogether with what? Barely any sales and no exclusives? Sony due to incompetence could also be forced to stop. Only Nintendo will reign supreme I assume. Switch, while way, way older hardware still has the best games on a console.
Exclusives are so terrible for "sales numbers" too. Its like they self sabotage themselves with exclusiveness deals. Pretty much limits the number of people who would buy it.
Just the other day some youtuber I watched said the same: consoles have gotten so expensive that the price of entry is no longer an argument against PC gaming. Which is a real threat to consoles because that was probably the only real argument against PC gaming in the past.
You can get a functional gaming PC for that price. Especially if you piece it together yourself, though that's not something everyone wants to do. ( I don't ).
Hell, if you really find the good deal, a somewhat functional gaming laptop is possible too ( though you're not getting a nice screen in entry-level gaming laptops ).
You're totally not wrong. I find myself more and more amazed at just how many people throw money at things mindlessly. I feel like the only reason I could totally buy this if I wanted is I am prudent, yet the list of people that will buy then then bend over and wait to be fucked by the PS5 Pro Slim model the next year is immense.
I never thought I would, but I'm glad I left the console space. My PC was barely more expensive than an original PS5 and outside of the large SSD I added later (also applicable cost to PS5) it's been fine and will be for a bit longer.
I built my PC....9 years ago? My plan included all kind of upgrades that I never did. It was a "budget" build at $900. I've not done a thing other than add a pinch more hard drive space.
I built it when I still had a 360. I bought an Xbox one, and I bought my sister one.... and I can't think of a single reason to replace it when it dies.
Between steam and emulation, I can run everything on my PC. Hell, most if it I can run on my laptop.
And it all runs smoother, faster, better.
If I find a couple hundred bucks I might be persuaded to upgrade something... but... it won't be to keep up with games technology.
Yeah, I was supposed to be able to upgrade mine. Technically still can but upgrade paths are the problematic 13th and 14th gen Intel. I don't need it now and I don't foresee needing it for a couple more years at minimum.
Yeah.. intel is making me super sad. Im on 9900k and i was planning to get a 14th gen i9 or i7 when it gets cheap. The rusting thing seems like a non issue since it was a batch of bad chips. But the voltage thing is not cool. I tend to use a cpu for 5 years and i dont trust intel being honest with their "fix" via microcode. Maybe just delay the degradtion just enough until warranty is over.
Im waiting on intel arrowlake 15th gen or waiting to see if microcentee will have a 7950x bundle. The ryzen 9000 zeries cpu like 9950x is fucked because of core parking and much higher latencies between ccd. Gaming is secondary foe me these days, so amd x3d variant cpu is a second choice if 7950x bundle doest materialize, arrowlake sucks or overly expensive. I do 3d animations and the thing that uses cpu a lot is baking simulations like fluids and also compiling shaders and cpu inbetween frames when rendering.
All you'd have to upgrade is your video card, any Geforce 3000 series card will play any game out now and any game that's going to come out in the next 10 years.
I'm personally looking at a 4070 Super. There's one with a price tag of $600 and a free featured game bundled. Unfortunately, right now that game is fucking Star Wars- Outlaws. I regret not looking into this when the bundled game was Black Myth- Wukong.
I mean, I could afford it, but that kind of value just seems a bit much. The Super I'm looking at is only $50 more than a 4070. Any further starts to feel like too high a value for diminishing returns.
The other guy is right. If you want longevity you need more vram. There is a reason why gtx 1080ti lasted so long with its 11gb vram. You want 16gb vram MINIMUM. 12gb is okay. But for sure, you want more than 8gb. Im also talking about 1080p gaming. 2k and 4k.. you definitely dont want less than 16gb.
Forgot to add. If you getting a 4070, make sure its gddr6x if possible. Nvidia being nvidia is releasing a gddr6 version and selling it for about the same price. No benchmarks yet.. but its slower memory. Maybe impact performance by 2 or 3 percent.
Its especially telling that they point out the lack of vertical stand, which leads one to believe that this is the price for the most bare bones version of the console. It'll probably have a controller and that's it.
Which means that the person this is meant to entice (people with no PS5) will have to invest at least 100$ more for a game (thing that used to be packed in) to play on it and the various PSPlus type subs they will need to play most games.
All during one of the worst economic downturns in history, where the prices of things have gotten so bad that people are struggling with basic necessities due to inflation. And they are trying this on a luxury item with no games to make it worthwhile.
Businesses are still operating like it's 2021, where stimmies flowed like wine and people used the money just to CONSOOM more instead of paying rent and student loans. You still see the cope that a 50-basis-point rate cut by the Fed will solve the economy forever and the good times will be back.
People will waste all their expendable income on a PS5 and be in lobbies of multi-player games getting muted because nobody wants to hear their shitty built-in microphone on the controller.
No thanks. My 2013 PS4 still works and about the only thing I use it for these days is as a DVD/Blu-ray player. It's probably the last proprietary console I'm going to own.
Buy a Steam Deck or one of its reasonably priced competitors. Load it up with emulators and you're golden.
Ooh. You will probably be able to see every pore on the adams apple of every female protagonist with this thing! If only they would add smell-o-vision so that we could smell the festering wound after they dilate, we could be fully immersed in the wonders of modern AAA gaming.
To be a little fair but mostly just devil's advocate; everything's way more expensive now, and Sony have shit the bed enough recently that maybe it's not such a good idea to sell the consoles themselves as loss leaders anymore. Yeah it's way more expensive than people have become accustomed to, but so are PC builds these days, economy's fucked yo.
But even the devil wouldn't defend the bullshit nickle and diming of charging an extra 25 bucks just to be able to stand the console vertical. So Sony are still an obviously shitty company.
EDIT: said accessories "not included" anyways. External disc drive is $80, don't know how much the stand is. Suddenly a gaming PC doesn't seem too expensive.
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/10/welcome-playstation-5-pro-the-most-visually-impressive-way-to-play-games-on-playstation/
Or the archive:
https://archive.is/VYraB
Plus paying an ever increasing monthly subscription.
Yeah, I keep forgetting about that. At this point, a comparable gaming PC should be cheaper, and doesn't have monthly network fees.
Plus. Any ps5 exclusive games are woke or censored as fuck anyways. They are super biased against japanese/asian made games.
Both ps and xbox are woke as hell. Hope both sony and microsoft's console division dies. There is no saving them anytime soon.
Yep, I made a reply like that elsewhere here. Moving PlayStation headquarters to California and the subsequent abuse of small Japanese devs was their doom. That was the moment I went PC Master Race.
They literally had a niche carved out where people buy consoles to play japanese games. While xbox was for cod and halo and nintendo was for mario or zelda.
Oh yeah... console controllers where they go bad in a year or two from drifting or dead zones lol. I can use the same keyboars and mouse for 5 to 8 years. Hehe.
Lucky you with the 5 to 8 years. I have had mice break right after warrenty expired. Keyboards are fine, though I won't be buying any mechanical anymore. Every single one I owned had keyboard chatter or multiple inputs, even brand new ones had those issues. Good ol' membrane still going strong that's where 5 to 8 seems more realistic.
What dogshit keyboards were you buying?
Membrane keyboards are not "good ol'" tech, they're mass produced shoddy slop with severe restrictions. They were made for laptops. Do you even know what n key rollover is?
Mice, yeah modern mice are too fragile. But a good mechanical keyboard doesn't break unless you fuck it, and is repairable.
It's honestly for the better going with PC. Consoles are on their last legs, Microsoft might just stop altogether with what? Barely any sales and no exclusives? Sony due to incompetence could also be forced to stop. Only Nintendo will reign supreme I assume. Switch, while way, way older hardware still has the best games on a console.
Stellar Blade being a PS5 exclusive is still baffling.
Exclusives are so terrible for "sales numbers" too. Its like they self sabotage themselves with exclusiveness deals. Pretty much limits the number of people who would buy it.
Just the other day some youtuber I watched said the same: consoles have gotten so expensive that the price of entry is no longer an argument against PC gaming. Which is a real threat to consoles because that was probably the only real argument against PC gaming in the past.
You can get a functional gaming PC for that price. Especially if you piece it together yourself, though that's not something everyone wants to do. ( I don't ).
Hell, if you really find the good deal, a somewhat functional gaming laptop is possible too ( though you're not getting a nice screen in entry-level gaming laptops ).
TaKe My MoNeY SoNy! says the "modern audience".
You're totally not wrong. I find myself more and more amazed at just how many people throw money at things mindlessly. I feel like the only reason I could totally buy this if I wanted is I am prudent, yet the list of people that will buy then then bend over and wait to be fucked by the PS5 Pro Slim model the next year is immense.
"CON-SOOOOOOOM!!!!!"
I never thought I would, but I'm glad I left the console space. My PC was barely more expensive than an original PS5 and outside of the large SSD I added later (also applicable cost to PS5) it's been fine and will be for a bit longer.
I built my PC....9 years ago? My plan included all kind of upgrades that I never did. It was a "budget" build at $900. I've not done a thing other than add a pinch more hard drive space.
I built it when I still had a 360. I bought an Xbox one, and I bought my sister one.... and I can't think of a single reason to replace it when it dies.
Between steam and emulation, I can run everything on my PC. Hell, most if it I can run on my laptop.
And it all runs smoother, faster, better.
If I find a couple hundred bucks I might be persuaded to upgrade something... but... it won't be to keep up with games technology.
Yeah, I was supposed to be able to upgrade mine. Technically still can but upgrade paths are the problematic 13th and 14th gen Intel. I don't need it now and I don't foresee needing it for a couple more years at minimum.
Yeah.. intel is making me super sad. Im on 9900k and i was planning to get a 14th gen i9 or i7 when it gets cheap. The rusting thing seems like a non issue since it was a batch of bad chips. But the voltage thing is not cool. I tend to use a cpu for 5 years and i dont trust intel being honest with their "fix" via microcode. Maybe just delay the degradtion just enough until warranty is over.
Im waiting on intel arrowlake 15th gen or waiting to see if microcentee will have a 7950x bundle. The ryzen 9000 zeries cpu like 9950x is fucked because of core parking and much higher latencies between ccd. Gaming is secondary foe me these days, so amd x3d variant cpu is a second choice if 7950x bundle doest materialize, arrowlake sucks or overly expensive. I do 3d animations and the thing that uses cpu a lot is baking simulations like fluids and also compiling shaders and cpu inbetween frames when rendering.
All you'd have to upgrade is your video card, any Geforce 3000 series card will play any game out now and any game that's going to come out in the next 10 years.
I'm personally looking at a 4070 Super. There's one with a price tag of $600 and a free featured game bundled. Unfortunately, right now that game is fucking Star Wars- Outlaws. I regret not looking into this when the bundled game was Black Myth- Wukong.
A 4070 will pretty much keep you set for games until they outlaw unregistered PCs too.
Yeah, I was set on a particular 4070 standard until I saw a 4070 Super that was only $50 more.
If you can spare an extra $200 the 4070 Ti Super has more VRAM and CUDA cores for AI stuff. I'm pretty happy with mine.
I mean, I could afford it, but that kind of value just seems a bit much. The Super I'm looking at is only $50 more than a 4070. Any further starts to feel like too high a value for diminishing returns.
The other guy is right. If you want longevity you need more vram. There is a reason why gtx 1080ti lasted so long with its 11gb vram. You want 16gb vram MINIMUM. 12gb is okay. But for sure, you want more than 8gb. Im also talking about 1080p gaming. 2k and 4k.. you definitely dont want less than 16gb.
Forgot to add. If you getting a 4070, make sure its gddr6x if possible. Nvidia being nvidia is releasing a gddr6 version and selling it for about the same price. No benchmarks yet.. but its slower memory. Maybe impact performance by 2 or 3 percent.
I have a 1060 lol and a 9th generation processor lol.
I mostly play dota anyway
All the boards I have been on are mocking this. Only the rich are going to buy it. They've moved so far upstream there is no one else to sell to.
I get the feeling this is an attempt to fight off the Switch 2. Nintendo's biggest competition will be the original Switch the way things are going.
soyny hasn't done anything good after ps2
I disagree, but to each their own.
Moving PlayStation headquarters to California (during the PS4 era) and their subsequent abuse of small Japanese developers was their doom.
They didn't charge for the online multiplayer until the ps4.
Its especially telling that they point out the lack of vertical stand, which leads one to believe that this is the price for the most bare bones version of the console. It'll probably have a controller and that's it.
Which means that the person this is meant to entice (people with no PS5) will have to invest at least 100$ more for a game (thing that used to be packed in) to play on it and the various PSPlus type subs they will need to play most games.
All during one of the worst economic downturns in history, where the prices of things have gotten so bad that people are struggling with basic necessities due to inflation. And they are trying this on a luxury item with no games to make it worthwhile.
Businesses are still operating like it's 2021, where stimmies flowed like wine and people used the money just to CONSOOM more instead of paying rent and student loans. You still see the cope that a 50-basis-point rate cut by the Fed will solve the economy forever and the good times will be back.
People will waste all their expendable income on a PS5 and be in lobbies of multi-player games getting muted because nobody wants to hear their shitty built-in microphone on the controller.
No thanks. My 2013 PS4 still works and about the only thing I use it for these days is as a DVD/Blu-ray player. It's probably the last proprietary console I'm going to own.
Buy a Steam Deck or one of its reasonably priced competitors. Load it up with emulators and you're golden.
Ooh. You will probably be able to see every pore on the adams apple of every female protagonist with this thing! If only they would add smell-o-vision so that we could smell the festering wound after they dilate, we could be fully immersed in the wonders of modern AAA gaming.
Man, I am really going to miss physical media.
To be a little fair but mostly just devil's advocate; everything's way more expensive now, and Sony have shit the bed enough recently that maybe it's not such a good idea to sell the consoles themselves as loss leaders anymore. Yeah it's way more expensive than people have become accustomed to, but so are PC builds these days, economy's fucked yo.
But even the devil wouldn't defend the bullshit nickle and diming of charging an extra 25 bucks just to be able to stand the console vertical. So Sony are still an obviously shitty company.
What do you mean, tovarish? The economy is doing great. Look at the GeeDeePee.