Looks like they forgot that it isn't that Vulcans don't have emotions, it's that they're all a bunch of psychopaths who are so crazy they somehow gaslit themselves into being emotionless. These four should be one small step from fucking feral.
Also, great callback to Amok Time. It's very important that you remind people that the girlboss you're trying to make into a sympathetic character will eventually pit Kirk and Spock in a fight to the death because she wants to fuck another man.
Bro I promise bro SNW is actually good Trek it cares about the setting bro PLEASE bro watch it
They already proved that when they had an episode where Spock became 100% human, and suddenly bursts out in cringe emotion.
Vulcans have TOO MUCH emotion, that they had to take extreme measures with their cultural conditioning to prevent self-destruction. To take an idea I mentioned elsewhere, they went Absolute Law (via Logic) because they were destroying themselves as a race of True Chaos (unchecked emotion).
Vulcans have TOO MUCH emotion, that they had to take extreme measures with their cultural conditioning to prevent self-destruction
This is correct. When Spock's father started mentally breaking down the first time anyone really noticed is when he cried at Data's concert performance, and it was one tear, not an outburst. That one simple break in discipline instantly told everyone that something was wrong with the guy.
For all of Jar Jar's faults at lease he understood that aspect of Vulcans.
Well, the faggots who "sought a better way" followed Surak. The ones who were happy with the way they were became Romulans. I think the peaceful faggots started a war and chased the proto-Romulans away, iirc ...
That one Enterprise two-parter to finally explain away the Klingon Forehead Problem was weird enough, and at least addressed a decades-old plot hole caused by advances in makeup techniques and budget.
Accused witches and lycanthropes were also accused of using potions or salves for to shapeshift ... the alleged recipes for which are all nothing but psychoactive and somewhat toxic plants.
First robots, now witchcraft. Might as well be a different IP.
I just finished listening to Leonard Nimoy’s I Am Spock ready by the man himself. It was interesting listening to him talk about how he approached being a Vulcan and how much he fought to change scripts to keep Spock from becoming… this.
But then something else struck me. Nimoy was also into theater and reading a variety of things. A lot of writers for television, movies, or video games today are not creative people. Sure there are plenty of people today that could paint you a perfect replica of The Starry Night. How many of those same people would have the ability to make their own? It’s why everything is derivative self insert fan fiction. When they got their degrees in “journalism through the queer lens” they never had to read anything outside their safe spaces with intellectual training wheels.
It was interesting listening to him talk about how he approached being a Vulcan and how much he fought to change scripts to keep Spock from becoming… this.
Indeed. I believe that's how the Vulcan neckpinch came into being. I believe Nimoy complained that Spock was supposed to knock out an enemy with a blow to the head and how primitive that was and was a waste of opportunity to give the audience more knowledge on Vulcans. And the scene was changed to Spock using intellect over brawn to disable his enemy.
There was a time when actors seemed to care about the characters they portrayed. Meanwhile Patrick Stewart doesn't and never will understand Jean Luc Picard and why fans love the character.
as much as Patrick Stewart doesn't care about the characters and would rather just do Shakespeare plays, he was at least professional when acting the roles he was given
Picard season 3 doesn't exist, there's only seasons 1 and 2 then what is basically a spinoff/spinback with "In case of emergency break glass and do TNG again".
I'm not well versed in any of Star Trek lore at all so any bastardization of that will be lost on me. So all I see is absolutely dreadful writing, casting, acting, and music.
Haven’t watched any new Star Trek. Loved TOS through Enterprise and only recently started getting the books. Amazing they put someone in charge who attacks fans and doesn’t seem to care about Star Trek. Well I guess that’s normal now
Lower Decks has been the most Trek thing going at the moment. That's where all the writers who cared went, I think.
The first episode did irk me, though. Redoing the whole "Officer and its Kid" dynamic is tired enough, but anyone who doesn't understand that whether something is "farm equipment" or "weaponry" is entirely in how it's being used at the moment and declares how much they "hate authority" should never have graduated Starfleet Academy in the first place. Show gets better from there, though, esp. from the second season on.
Nobody in the Lower Decks crew should have made it past the academy. Starfleet is meant to be the best of the best, not an extended gap year for a group so belligerent and incompetent they shouldn't be put in charge of raking leaves in autumn let alone being stationed on an intergalactic starship that a handful of safety features from going back in time and/or destroying localised space.
Starfleet is meant to be the best of the best, but we all know that for every Archer or Sisko, there's nine, ten, dozens of plodders or absolute shits. That's one reason why I love Attack Pattern Tuggs, it's Trek, and lovingly so, but it shows a crew of misfits and burnouts who fly those old ships that get a few seconds of screen time in the shows.
we all know that for every Archer or Sisko, there's nine, ten, dozens of plodders or absolute shits
The problem with the main cast is most of them are the literal best Starfleet has, more so than the general elite nature of the organisation. Even just the captains highlight the to the extreme.
Archer is the first warp 5 captain. The flashback episode regarding Robinson shows it was an extremely competitive contest as it was so important to Starfleet and humanity as a whole.
Picard commands the flagship of the fleet. His face is basically Starfleet at that point.
Sisko is taking over a still smouldering powderkeg with Bajor immediately after the end of the Cardassian Occupation.
Kirk is considered to be a tactical genius by both Starfleet and other alien empires.
Of the main lineup Janeway ends up being the only one who isn't someone special. She's meant to be tracking down her tactical officer and gets stuck 70'000 light years away because of it. While the idea of how other captains might have faired is brought up a few times, like with Captain Ransom and the USS Equinox that was in the same situation, it was still people that weren't meant to be there so we're out of their depth a lot of the time by design.
Everyone else is still meant to be highly competent even if they end up being one of the background crew or the actual lower decks as the TNG episode did first. Those crewmen showed they weren't just brainless cogs in a machine when one of them figured out the bridge officers were setting up a secret mission instead of just testing phaser fire on a shuttle because the blast patterns were being done in a way to fake live fire damage.
Instead Lower Decks ends up with a crew that should be arrested for treason at a minimum, court martialed, and probably spaced for the safety of everyone else in Starfleet.
that doesn't really make sense, star trek is an automated, post scarcity, mostly peaceful world, serving in the star fleet isn't a mandatory military service where they have to accept almost anyone or people signing up for a paycheck because there's nothing else to do. burnouts and misfits have no place there, they either don't pass the initial assessments or get filterd out through evaluations later, they don't need to be there if they have no motivations to do so
It's kind of a reminder that for every Wesley who passes with a 90+ average, there are also the Barclays who just fumble through and pass with one mark over the pass-fail threshold ...
Wesley failed the entrance exam the first time he took it, as did Picard, then later fucked up with the flight maneuver that killed a fellow cadet and set Wesley back a year. The started him down a path that ended with him quitting Starfleet before graduating. Picard at least stuck through all the shit he went through at the academy, and that included being stabbed in the heart!
Picard didn't pass the first time, either, however he did graduate from Starfleet unlike Wesley who quit then wandered off with a creepy old man offering candy The Traveller who offered to show him the back of his van mysteries of reality.
Good to hear. I know they are doing an academy show. I saw the animation for Lower Decks and assumed it was current year stuff. Thanks for setting me straight. Have you read any Trek books? I’ve been reading Star Wars EU since age 12 but never thought about Trek books or comics til I was at a comic convention and a guy was selling old Trek books for a quarter and I spent like 60 bucks.
It's been a while, but yeah, I did do a binge read of a bunch of mostly TNG books, especially Diane Duane (at least she tended to remember the cat folk existed). But that was years and years ago now.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve only read one so far that takes place in TOS era. I have books from TOS through Enterprise along with Titan and the one Shatner wrote about Kirk coming back to life. I know with Star Wars Lucas wouldn’t allow certain things like I think he made them kill off Anakin.
Looks like they forgot that it isn't that Vulcans don't have emotions, it's that they're all a bunch of psychopaths who are so crazy they somehow gaslit themselves into being emotionless. These four should be one small step from fucking feral.
Also, great callback to Amok Time. It's very important that you remind people that the girlboss you're trying to make into a sympathetic character will eventually pit Kirk and Spock in a fight to the death because she wants to fuck another man.
They already proved that when they had an episode where Spock became 100% human, and suddenly bursts out in cringe emotion.
Vulcans have TOO MUCH emotion, that they had to take extreme measures with their cultural conditioning to prevent self-destruction. To take an idea I mentioned elsewhere, they went Absolute Law (via Logic) because they were destroying themselves as a race of True Chaos (unchecked emotion).
This is correct. When Spock's father started mentally breaking down the first time anyone really noticed is when he cried at Data's concert performance, and it was one tear, not an outburst. That one simple break in discipline instantly told everyone that something was wrong with the guy.
For all of Jar Jar's faults at lease he understood that aspect of Vulcans.
Right, so turning a human into a Vulcan without the training and discipline built up over a lifetime would have terrible consequences.
I'm with the others that Star Trek died after Enterprise.
Well, the faggots who "sought a better way" followed Surak. The ones who were happy with the way they were became Romulans. I think the peaceful faggots started a war and chased the proto-Romulans away, iirc ...
That's a good point, but they'll probably claim that this is another 'timeline'.
They took a 'serum' that changed them into Vulcans. Apparently, the serum also immediately alters their hairstyles. :')
That one Enterprise two-parter to finally explain away the Klingon Forehead Problem was weird enough, and at least addressed a decades-old plot hole caused by advances in makeup techniques and budget.
This?
This is dumb.
Accused witches and lycanthropes were also accused of using potions or salves for to shapeshift ... the alleged recipes for which are all nothing but psychoactive and somewhat toxic plants.
First robots, now witchcraft. Might as well be a different IP.
I just finished listening to Leonard Nimoy’s I Am Spock ready by the man himself. It was interesting listening to him talk about how he approached being a Vulcan and how much he fought to change scripts to keep Spock from becoming… this. But then something else struck me. Nimoy was also into theater and reading a variety of things. A lot of writers for television, movies, or video games today are not creative people. Sure there are plenty of people today that could paint you a perfect replica of The Starry Night. How many of those same people would have the ability to make their own? It’s why everything is derivative self insert fan fiction. When they got their degrees in “journalism through the queer lens” they never had to read anything outside their safe spaces with intellectual training wheels.
Indeed. I believe that's how the Vulcan neckpinch came into being. I believe Nimoy complained that Spock was supposed to knock out an enemy with a blow to the head and how primitive that was and was a waste of opportunity to give the audience more knowledge on Vulcans. And the scene was changed to Spock using intellect over brawn to disable his enemy.
There was a time when actors seemed to care about the characters they portrayed. Meanwhile Patrick Stewart doesn't and never will understand Jean Luc Picard and why fans love the character.
Picard was so badass, he Vulcan Neckpinched Tuvok!
as much as Patrick Stewart doesn't care about the characters and would rather just do Shakespeare plays, he was at least professional when acting the roles he was given
Its women.
The more women who are allowed input into a project, the worse it gets. This applies to everything, not just entertainment.
picard season 3 didn't totally suck, it wasnt good and it relied on memberberries but Jack ended up being an actually good character
Picard season 3 doesn't exist, there's only seasons 1 and 2 then what is basically a spinoff/spinback with "In case of emergency break glass and do TNG again".
I fuckin lol'd
Enterprise D death star run through a Borg cube.
I'm not well versed in any of Star Trek lore at all so any bastardization of that will be lost on me. So all I see is absolutely dreadful writing, casting, acting, and music.
same, don't really care if the aliens are lore/time-line consistent, but I can't stand the cringe
Haven’t watched any new Star Trek. Loved TOS through Enterprise and only recently started getting the books. Amazing they put someone in charge who attacks fans and doesn’t seem to care about Star Trek. Well I guess that’s normal now
"Sheer. Fucking. Hubris"
Was aimed at Picard but was always the writers projecting.
That is what I always thought
Lower Decks has been the most Trek thing going at the moment. That's where all the writers who cared went, I think.
The first episode did irk me, though. Redoing the whole "Officer and its Kid" dynamic is tired enough, but anyone who doesn't understand that whether something is "farm equipment" or "weaponry" is entirely in how it's being used at the moment and declares how much they "hate authority" should never have graduated Starfleet Academy in the first place. Show gets better from there, though, esp. from the second season on.
Nobody in the Lower Decks crew should have made it past the academy. Starfleet is meant to be the best of the best, not an extended gap year for a group so belligerent and incompetent they shouldn't be put in charge of raking leaves in autumn let alone being stationed on an intergalactic starship that a handful of safety features from going back in time and/or destroying localised space.
Starfleet is meant to be the best of the best, but we all know that for every Archer or Sisko, there's nine, ten, dozens of plodders or absolute shits. That's one reason why I love Attack Pattern Tuggs, it's Trek, and lovingly so, but it shows a crew of misfits and burnouts who fly those old ships that get a few seconds of screen time in the shows.
The problem with the main cast is most of them are the literal best Starfleet has, more so than the general elite nature of the organisation. Even just the captains highlight the to the extreme.
Archer is the first warp 5 captain. The flashback episode regarding Robinson shows it was an extremely competitive contest as it was so important to Starfleet and humanity as a whole.
Picard commands the flagship of the fleet. His face is basically Starfleet at that point.
Sisko is taking over a still smouldering powderkeg with Bajor immediately after the end of the Cardassian Occupation.
Kirk is considered to be a tactical genius by both Starfleet and other alien empires.
Of the main lineup Janeway ends up being the only one who isn't someone special. She's meant to be tracking down her tactical officer and gets stuck 70'000 light years away because of it. While the idea of how other captains might have faired is brought up a few times, like with Captain Ransom and the USS Equinox that was in the same situation, it was still people that weren't meant to be there so we're out of their depth a lot of the time by design.
Everyone else is still meant to be highly competent even if they end up being one of the background crew or the actual lower decks as the TNG episode did first. Those crewmen showed they weren't just brainless cogs in a machine when one of them figured out the bridge officers were setting up a secret mission instead of just testing phaser fire on a shuttle because the blast patterns were being done in a way to fake live fire damage.
Instead Lower Decks ends up with a crew that should be arrested for treason at a minimum, court martialed, and probably spaced for the safety of everyone else in Starfleet.
that doesn't really make sense, star trek is an automated, post scarcity, mostly peaceful world, serving in the star fleet isn't a mandatory military service where they have to accept almost anyone or people signing up for a paycheck because there's nothing else to do. burnouts and misfits have no place there, they either don't pass the initial assessments or get filterd out through evaluations later, they don't need to be there if they have no motivations to do so
It's kind of a reminder that for every Wesley who passes with a 90+ average, there are also the Barclays who just fumble through and pass with one mark over the pass-fail threshold ...
Wesley failed the entrance exam the first time he took it, as did Picard, then later fucked up with the flight maneuver that killed a fellow cadet and set Wesley back a year. The started him down a path that ended with him quitting Starfleet before graduating. Picard at least stuck through all the shit he went through at the academy, and that included being stabbed in the heart!
Wesley didn't pass the entry exam the first time. He had to reapply at least once. That's how elite Starfleet is supposed to be.
Picard didn't pass the first time, either, however he did graduate from Starfleet unlike Wesley who quit then wandered off with
a creepy old man offering candyThe Traveller who offered to show him theback of his vanmysteries of reality.Good to hear. I know they are doing an academy show. I saw the animation for Lower Decks and assumed it was current year stuff. Thanks for setting me straight. Have you read any Trek books? I’ve been reading Star Wars EU since age 12 but never thought about Trek books or comics til I was at a comic convention and a guy was selling old Trek books for a quarter and I spent like 60 bucks.
It's been a while, but yeah, I did do a binge read of a bunch of mostly TNG books, especially Diane Duane (at least she tended to remember the cat folk existed). But that was years and years ago now.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve only read one so far that takes place in TOS era. I have books from TOS through Enterprise along with Titan and the one Shatner wrote about Kirk coming back to life. I know with Star Wars Lucas wouldn’t allow certain things like I think he made them kill off Anakin.
Any era of books for Trek you like most?
Read the TOS novel Kobayashi Maru.
I may have that already but I’ll get it if I don’t. Thanks!
There isn't a single good thing about this. There isn't even an angle from which this can be seen as good. It's bad in every single way.
What they've done to Star Trek is disgusting.
Does SNW always have the zany music and madcap style sound FX? The clip (does the show?) always have a parody vibe going on? WTF is this?
I didn’t have the words for what I saw, but that’s it. At least a parody would be funny. I’m pretty sure this is supposed to be serious.