That’s such a weird argument to make. I still say that if I was in charge of making a game during that period my priority would not be on Yasuke. Seems like common sense. Can’t wait for Assassin’s Creed: Zulu where you play as a former British officer who defects to join Shaka Zulu. Not quite the same thing but the principle remains. Also, anyone claiming they did this organically is being ridiculous especially after the guy who worked on the game in the early stages came out and said they changed the story
Seeing the American Revolution as an Indian? Seeing the crusades as a muslim? In a vacuum, the idea of showing a perspective outside of the norm is fine, obviously though in our “modern world” the driving motivation behind these decisions is the issue.
I mean shit, I liked Afro Samurai, didn’t you guys? That was “yasuke” too
I've never watched Afro Samurai so I don't know how they handled making a black dude a samurai. I'm guessing they didn't say he was an actual real person though. That's the difference with the whole Yasuke thing.
AC3 did the Native American during the revolutionary war and no one cared because they didn't claim the dude was a real guy with a real history.
Afro Samurai has Samuel L Jackson starring as Afro and his friend Monkey. Afro has the voice he uses for serious characters and Monkey has the voice he used in Pulp Fiction.
I think a black samurai being in a show where he fights a white cowboy is on a completely different planet from this shit.
Because it's a clearly fictional story you imbecile.
The white cowboy has a fucking third arm, the headband gives you immortality and prevents war. There's a random combination of ancient, contemporary and futuristic technology including a guy who is kept alive by being put into a robotic suit with a mascot teddy bear head. They're not claiming it's real, dude just liked rap music.
Fuck in the movie Lucy Lu's character revives Afro's dad from a single scrap of DNA with help by a scientist who is just a head on a spider robot body.
There's a random combination of ancient, contemporary and futuristic technology
Crazy, you mean like…in the assassins creed franchise where humans were genetically engineered as a slave race by aliens who to people in the future through their genetic memories?
And don’t try and make this about 3 pieces of marketing where some SJW DEI hires got too big for their britches, or however you want to frame the “historical samurai” claims, because that’s never been what I was discussing
It’s not bad you might like it. They handle it by making the world blatantly fictional from the jump.
I'm guessing they didn't say he was an actual real person though. That's the difference with the whole Yasuke thing.
For sure. It should be obvious I’m not in any way defending that angle of the discussion. Clearly their motivations there range from ignorance to malevolence. I’m just trying to show that there can be other perspectives on the whole subject that aren’t necessarily solely the result of DEI brain worms.
The Last Samurai, with Tom Cruise, as another example of this kind of “outsider perspective” done well (atleast, well enough, it’s all still hollyweird after all)
Yea I enjoyed Afro samurai and liked the song. You are right though about perspectives outside the norm but I wouldn’t trust modern writers to do a good job because so many are the usual college grads who see everything as oppression and colonialism
These types of people were the ones that will argue until they are blue in the face about cultural appropriation and how amazing brown people are compared to dirty white trash. Now they flip the script and say “wow bigot, race matters to you that much? Just let the black samurai exist! It’s not that big of a deal”
How did being "the first" become such an obsession?
"OMG guyz I'm the first black trans midget to fly across the Atlantic, I'm so stunning and brave! Call the media!"
Is this a strange offshoot of sports stats, where they have run out of interesting things to talk about because baseball is fucking stupid and boring, so they invent bizarre stats to talk about? "This is the first time a left handed pitcher named Jose has struck out a right handed batter named Javaunte on a Monday with an average windspeed higher than 5mph."
It's the obsession with records and being remembered combined with the participation trophy mentality. They forget that most of the time, the people we actually remember as "the first" actually did something genuinely impressive, like Neil Armstrong being the first man on the moon. By creating an infinite number of mundane "Firsts" to claim, the value of those records dissolves to sheer inflation.
What I find hilarious is the desperation to create a fantasy black man, built on the fantasy of romantic samurai, when reality was far from.
Ultimately when you stray from the truth, depending on how far you have deviated, it doesn't take many deviants to U-turn and start attacking the truth.
Other people through the threads have posted enough around the Samurai NOT being 'good', and the entire society being a rigid warrior caste based one, with everyone else serving as samurai fodder. Samurai's themselves being fodder for their 'Lords' but at least these Lords took to the battle field, unlike our skirt wearing furry generals.
Yasuke has been getting pushed for years. They already dumped him into the Samurai Warriors franchise. I'm hoping the push back grows and people realize that in most countries throughout history, you only saw foreigners at ports, trading posts, and during wars. And that's okay.
It's ironically very racist to say "Asian samurai" to describe Japanese samurai. Is he thinking all asians are the same? Just another case of woke people showing their true color.
But I bet he can't even name 2 games anyway, and certainly not a single real Japanese samurai.
That’s such a weird argument to make. I still say that if I was in charge of making a game during that period my priority would not be on Yasuke. Seems like common sense. Can’t wait for Assassin’s Creed: Zulu where you play as a former British officer who defects to join Shaka Zulu. Not quite the same thing but the principle remains. Also, anyone claiming they did this organically is being ridiculous especially after the guy who worked on the game in the early stages came out and said they changed the story
Seeing the American Revolution as an Indian? Seeing the crusades as a muslim? In a vacuum, the idea of showing a perspective outside of the norm is fine, obviously though in our “modern world” the driving motivation behind these decisions is the issue.
I mean shit, I liked Afro Samurai, didn’t you guys? That was “yasuke” too
I've never watched Afro Samurai so I don't know how they handled making a black dude a samurai. I'm guessing they didn't say he was an actual real person though. That's the difference with the whole Yasuke thing.
AC3 did the Native American during the revolutionary war and no one cared because they didn't claim the dude was a real guy with a real history.
Yea, Afro Samurai was fiction and they never tried to act like he was real. As far as I remember. I played the game before I saw the anime
Afro Samurai has Samuel L Jackson starring as Afro and his friend Monkey. Afro has the voice he uses for serious characters and Monkey has the voice he used in Pulp Fiction.
I think a black samurai being in a show where he fights a white cowboy is on a completely different planet from this shit.
Weird opinion considering the jap who made it was inspired by both yasuke and his love for blacks. How is that so different from this again?
Because it's a clearly fictional story you imbecile.
The white cowboy has a fucking third arm, the headband gives you immortality and prevents war. There's a random combination of ancient, contemporary and futuristic technology including a guy who is kept alive by being put into a robotic suit with a mascot teddy bear head. They're not claiming it's real, dude just liked rap music.
Fuck in the movie Lucy Lu's character revives Afro's dad from a single scrap of DNA with help by a scientist who is just a head on a spider robot body.
Crazy, you mean like…in the assassins creed franchise where humans were genetically engineered as a slave race by aliens who to people in the future through their genetic memories?
And don’t try and make this about 3 pieces of marketing where some SJW DEI hires got too big for their britches, or however you want to frame the “historical samurai” claims, because that’s never been what I was discussing
Were you lying then or are you lying now? Do you make it a habit of switching your opinions all the time?
You could clearly see the difference earlier, but now you act like it's exactly the same thing.
It’s not bad you might like it. They handle it by making the world blatantly fictional from the jump.
For sure. It should be obvious I’m not in any way defending that angle of the discussion. Clearly their motivations there range from ignorance to malevolence. I’m just trying to show that there can be other perspectives on the whole subject that aren’t necessarily solely the result of DEI brain worms.
The Last Samurai, with Tom Cruise, as another example of this kind of “outsider perspective” done well (atleast, well enough, it’s all still hollyweird after all)
The biggest problem with AC3 is that there's hardly any buildings in the US that were over 5 stories.
Yea I enjoyed Afro samurai and liked the song. You are right though about perspectives outside the norm but I wouldn’t trust modern writers to do a good job because so many are the usual college grads who see everything as oppression and colonialism
These types of people were the ones that will argue until they are blue in the face about cultural appropriation and how amazing brown people are compared to dirty white trash. Now they flip the script and say “wow bigot, race matters to you that much? Just let the black samurai exist! It’s not that big of a deal”
Wow, nigger insertion, such innovation.
Lefty devs actually believe this is innovation. Part of why games suck these days. Reskin old game. Insert woke. Claim it's new. Big profit.
Everything except the big profit part
How did being "the first" become such an obsession?
"OMG guyz I'm the first black trans midget to fly across the Atlantic, I'm so stunning and brave! Call the media!"
Is this a strange offshoot of sports stats, where they have run out of interesting things to talk about because baseball is fucking stupid and boring, so they invent bizarre stats to talk about? "This is the first time a left handed pitcher named Jose has struck out a right handed batter named Javaunte on a Monday with an average windspeed higher than 5mph."
It's the obsession with records and being remembered combined with the participation trophy mentality. They forget that most of the time, the people we actually remember as "the first" actually did something genuinely impressive, like Neil Armstrong being the first man on the moon. By creating an infinite number of mundane "Firsts" to claim, the value of those records dissolves to sheer inflation.
Great point, I hadn't considered the accomplishment inflation factor.
All the important milestone achievements were already done by whites and Asians
What I find hilarious is the desperation to create a fantasy black man, built on the fantasy of romantic samurai, when reality was far from.
Ultimately when you stray from the truth, depending on how far you have deviated, it doesn't take many deviants to U-turn and start attacking the truth.
Other people through the threads have posted enough around the Samurai NOT being 'good', and the entire society being a rigid warrior caste based one, with everyone else serving as samurai fodder. Samurai's themselves being fodder for their 'Lords' but at least these Lords took to the battle field, unlike our skirt wearing furry generals.
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"Yeah, but this irrelevant to the topic point you guys!"
Whataboutism.
Yasuke has been getting pushed for years. They already dumped him into the Samurai Warriors franchise. I'm hoping the push back grows and people realize that in most countries throughout history, you only saw foreigners at ports, trading posts, and during wars. And that's okay.
So they want another Tom Cruise Samurai flick?
Afro samurai also had fan service =p. Better times.
Now I'm always gonna wonder how awesome an assassins creed could have been set in feudal Japan.
They literally had the ticket to print money. (And look at it now)
Ah, are they already at the "It's weird that you care so much!" stage already? This is coming along quickly.
There will literally never be enough Japanese Samurai you retarded faggot.
It's ironically very racist to say "Asian samurai" to describe Japanese samurai. Is he thinking all asians are the same? Just another case of woke people showing their true color.
But I bet he can't even name 2 games anyway, and certainly not a single real Japanese samurai.
Still fucking retarded