Vigilantism is what happens when people don't have faith in the system to bring sufficient consequences for unjust actions.
Seeing how in some areas child abuse is even government supported, don't be surprised if this is the new normal or even escalates because a lot of those pedophiles are kept in an Epstein like blackmail way as they can't betray the elites due to the information they have on them unlike a normal person. You can look at Stalin's regime for how that's worked in history.
No idea but the fact he killed himself as he was being confronted before anything else happened or before the livestream could even END makes me think he had a very guilty conscience
Yes they need it when mob justice actually comes and they experience it. Not in the middle of a non violent verbal confrontation . They're not women
There was a case of a teenager here who was accused of molest. They took him down to the police station but he didn't kill himself at the station. He did it at home when the reality started sinking it and he started thinking of his life being ruined. This guy straight away went to the my life is ruined part which is not a normal first reaction when confronted with being a pedo as a non pedo
Nobody said they involves IRL mobs with pitchforks. Did you imply that? You're literally arguing a point no one made to make yourself seem smarter. I'm pretty sure everyone on this board knows how cancel culture operates so I'm not sure who this explanation is for
Again, my point was that it took time for him to go oh shit my life is fucked and he didn't do it instantly. Supposedly he didn't even react very emotionally during the interrogation or they would have stopped (polices own words so take that with a grain of salt if needed)
This guy went from 0-100 when being accused of being a pedo. It's not whether vigilantism is a normal thing or not, it's when accused of being a pedo, he went to kill himself while being initially accused. Are you going to do that? Or is the normal reaction to deny if you've not done anything, or you just going to kys straight away
That took a while to sink in for him. He didn't kill himself immediately but after it was publicised and went around and he started feeling the effects of that accusation. This guy didn't even get to that part. He just got confronted and boom instant suicide. You think that's what normal men do? Before the accusation can even get around or is finished they kill themselves?
Of course there's other explainable circumstances. But based on the fact he offed himself right in the middle of the confrontation, the most likely one is he had a very guilty conscience.
Also, I don't think Rosen has been wrong once with his confrontations and he's been doing this for a while and boasts of his arrest record. So again, more probabilities leaning towards the fact that the dude was a pedo who had a sudden realisation of what this arrest would do to him
I don't think that logic applies when the accuser is both a stranger who means nothing to you, and standing right there. If you're going to shoot someone in that scenario, why not shoot the asshole who's trying to blackmail you?
The guy in the zoe quinn rape accusation is a retard. As peter griffin told a caller in a suicide hotline who told peter he was gonna kill himself because his wife cheated in him.. "wouldn't it make more sense to kill her?"
Where im heading with this is.. Guy shouldve done the world a favor.
So here is the thing, guy. The only credible investigations of false rape accusations put the number at about 40%. It is probably more.
As a counterpoint, there is a credible study that says of the female collage students surveyed about 40% admitted to behavior considered to be sexual assault. You know, like blackmailing a guy into sex, or having sex with him while he is too drunk to resist, or even using violence to get sex.
So until our society manages to overcome this crippling blind spot when it comes to women, I think that vigilante justice to "protect the children" is probably going to be a fucking terrible idea. In the same way that "Me Too" was a terrible idea, but with more bloody violence.
There is a weird blind spot within the right wing (which you can see in this very thread) that loses their fucking minds when there is any whiff of pedophilia/child abuse going on.
Any semblance of "yo can we wait until all the info is available" disappears if someone even suggests it. Yes, I know, the risk is high and the potential damage it can cause to kids makes taking them seriously important, but this shit is how we ended up with PizzaGate and Q-anon freaks saying there were these imaginary tunnels where the Elite held hundreds of thousands of kids captive and was rescued by the "alliance".
Only problem is both law enforcement and worst of all, the FBI, are sometimes incompetent at capturing these predators, so I don't know what the "perfect" answer to this shit is.
Either I'm just too much on the Internet, but it feels like there have been an increase of these e-celebs interacting with these kids and being caught over the past 10 years. Kris/Chris/that Troon was recently caught with his mutilated dick out flirting with a 13 y/o boy. Blech.
I agree that most vigilantes are retards and narcissists who have no business in that line of work, but Alex Rosen is basically a pro at this. He's made mistakes early in his career that spoiled police investigations, but he learned from his mistakes and now works closely with police and has put lots of actual predators in prison.
Even if you thought you were selling Marijuana but were selling oregano the entire time, you can't be arrested for attempting to distribute narcotics.
How one can even be arrested for talking to an adult, no matter what they were pretending to be, is still far beyond me. For one to be guilty of the crime there has to be am actual victim somewhere and dateline way back in the Chris Hansen days learned this the hard way as they failed to convict and found their convictions overturned in nearly every single case.
"You thought you were talking to a 12 year old" "Okay. But am I guilty of talking to any 12 year Olds? Or am I guilty of talking to a 40 year old? Did I ever speak to a 12 year old?" May not morally be just. But lawfully, is just.
It really doesn't matter what the person in question thought they were doing. It matters what they were doing.
Am a subscriber to this guy, support the work because he tends to move these moments into busting CP, which is a provable offense. But the entrapment at best and (pun unintended) role-playing at worst isn't a crime and really shouldn't be treated as such.
Morally. Would we rob a victimless Fed sponsored bank if we had the opportunity? Of course. We are morally obligated to do so even.
This does, in fact. Make us robbers, just pulled from the opportunity. So. We should all be held as if we are the average jogger breaking into houses and beating people in their sleep for 34.00 and cheap jewelry?
What we would do if given the opportunity is far separated from what we do do. A long list of enemies to us would have a long list of very bad things happening to them if we had the opportunity. Should we be treated as if we have executed those actions?
I'm not arguing in abstraction. I'm saying this particular guy would have boned a minor had he been given the opportunity. I'm also saying the world is better off without him in it.
Just like Trump and Kavenaugh and every other #MeToo victim should be instantly put to death?
Just because someone said so. Not a victim. Just someone who said it for whatever abstract reason? This guy was entrapped for clicks, not busted talking to minors. Not caught in the act of being a pedophile.
Shoot your local pedophile. But that isn't what is happening here. This is glorified #metoo for clicks.
Even saying these things. I'm a subscriber and support several of these creators. Especially this one because of his focus on drawing out confessions of actual crimes. Getting them to admit to the CP is key for Alex and that's a plus.
The chat itself proves and means almost nothing, however. Talking to an adult pretending to be something else isn't and shouldn't ever be considered a crime.
Vigilantism is what happens when people don't have faith in the system to bring sufficient consequences for unjust actions.
Seeing how in some areas child abuse is even government supported, don't be surprised if this is the new normal or even escalates because a lot of those pedophiles are kept in an Epstein like blackmail way as they can't betray the elites due to the information they have on them unlike a normal person. You can look at Stalin's regime for how that's worked in history.
No idea but the fact he killed himself as he was being confronted before anything else happened or before the livestream could even END makes me think he had a very guilty conscience
Yes they need it when mob justice actually comes and they experience it. Not in the middle of a non violent verbal confrontation . They're not women
There was a case of a teenager here who was accused of molest. They took him down to the police station but he didn't kill himself at the station. He did it at home when the reality started sinking it and he started thinking of his life being ruined. This guy straight away went to the my life is ruined part which is not a normal first reaction when confronted with being a pedo as a non pedo
Nobody said they involves IRL mobs with pitchforks. Did you imply that? You're literally arguing a point no one made to make yourself seem smarter. I'm pretty sure everyone on this board knows how cancel culture operates so I'm not sure who this explanation is for
Again, my point was that it took time for him to go oh shit my life is fucked and he didn't do it instantly. Supposedly he didn't even react very emotionally during the interrogation or they would have stopped (polices own words so take that with a grain of salt if needed)
This guy went from 0-100 when being accused of being a pedo. It's not whether vigilantism is a normal thing or not, it's when accused of being a pedo, he went to kill himself while being initially accused. Are you going to do that? Or is the normal reaction to deny if you've not done anything, or you just going to kys straight away
https://x.com/iFightForKids/status/1815975562537583023
this is the video
You wouldn't do it right there on stream.
That took a while to sink in for him. He didn't kill himself immediately but after it was publicised and went around and he started feeling the effects of that accusation. This guy didn't even get to that part. He just got confronted and boom instant suicide. You think that's what normal men do? Before the accusation can even get around or is finished they kill themselves?
Of course there's other explainable circumstances. But based on the fact he offed himself right in the middle of the confrontation, the most likely one is he had a very guilty conscience.
Also, I don't think Rosen has been wrong once with his confrontations and he's been doing this for a while and boasts of his arrest record. So again, more probabilities leaning towards the fact that the dude was a pedo who had a sudden realisation of what this arrest would do to him
Does he post his proof? As someone else mentioned, I would never trust anyone with a name like Rosen to investigate paedophilia.
There's video of the confrontation and the guy admits to having photos of people cumming on infants among others
I don't think that logic applies when the accuser is both a stranger who means nothing to you, and standing right there. If you're going to shoot someone in that scenario, why not shoot the asshole who's trying to blackmail you?
There was a video I saw where an accused pedo tried that. But he was actually confronted by cops who were prepared for him and took the gun away iirc
The guy in the zoe quinn rape accusation is a retard. As peter griffin told a caller in a suicide hotline who told peter he was gonna kill himself because his wife cheated in him.. "wouldn't it make more sense to kill her?"
Where im heading with this is.. Guy shouldve done the world a favor.
That would be the rational thing to do, but he wouldn't be suicidal if he was thinking rationally.
Yeah this guy admitted to it on camera...
Or he knew that being publicly accused of being a pedo will utterly ruin your life even if you're innocent.
You can watch the video and see if your guess is correct then
So here is the thing, guy. The only credible investigations of false rape accusations put the number at about 40%. It is probably more.
As a counterpoint, there is a credible study that says of the female collage students surveyed about 40% admitted to behavior considered to be sexual assault. You know, like blackmailing a guy into sex, or having sex with him while he is too drunk to resist, or even using violence to get sex.
So until our society manages to overcome this crippling blind spot when it comes to women, I think that vigilante justice to "protect the children" is probably going to be a fucking terrible idea. In the same way that "Me Too" was a terrible idea, but with more bloody violence.
There is a weird blind spot within the right wing (which you can see in this very thread) that loses their fucking minds when there is any whiff of pedophilia/child abuse going on.
Any semblance of "yo can we wait until all the info is available" disappears if someone even suggests it. Yes, I know, the risk is high and the potential damage it can cause to kids makes taking them seriously important, but this shit is how we ended up with PizzaGate and Q-anon freaks saying there were these imaginary tunnels where the Elite held hundreds of thousands of kids captive and was rescued by the "alliance".
Only problem is both law enforcement and worst of all, the FBI, are sometimes incompetent at capturing these predators, so I don't know what the "perfect" answer to this shit is.
Either I'm just too much on the Internet, but it feels like there have been an increase of these e-celebs interacting with these kids and being caught over the past 10 years. Kris/Chris/that Troon was recently caught with his mutilated dick out flirting with a 13 y/o boy. Blech.
I agree that most vigilantes are retards and narcissists who have no business in that line of work, but Alex Rosen is basically a pro at this. He's made mistakes early in his career that spoiled police investigations, but he learned from his mistakes and now works closely with police and has put lots of actual predators in prison.
lol based
Where did he get "alt right" from?
Off-topic I just noticed we're all no longer random cats, and are now represented by boring letters. I liked my cat.
Everything is alt right to them
Rosen is conservative and doesn't like Israel so alt right it is
Anyone to the right of Pol Pot is 'an insurrectionist!!!', 'alt-right' , a 'maggat' and 'deplorable' to them.
I only access KIA2 via the kotakuinaction2.win domain. It doesn't have any icon next to user name and is much cleaner (the letters are jarring).
Opposing pedophilia is alt-right behavior, now.
Weird looking cats though
Nonce's are now turning themselves from criminals to holy men with one simple trick.
The cops - "That's our job (sometimes).
Not all heroes wear capes.
Pedos are a protected class, just look at the people defending the Mr Beast troon
Praying for Alex and his crew they get let off, no charges! They do the lords work by unveiling evil that LE won't bother with.
https://x.com/iFightForKids/status/1815975562537583023
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This is something actually relishing in gore.
sigh I miss the old internet.
It's still of primary law "habeas corpus"
Even if you thought you were selling Marijuana but were selling oregano the entire time, you can't be arrested for attempting to distribute narcotics.
How one can even be arrested for talking to an adult, no matter what they were pretending to be, is still far beyond me. For one to be guilty of the crime there has to be am actual victim somewhere and dateline way back in the Chris Hansen days learned this the hard way as they failed to convict and found their convictions overturned in nearly every single case.
"You thought you were talking to a 12 year old" "Okay. But am I guilty of talking to any 12 year Olds? Or am I guilty of talking to a 40 year old? Did I ever speak to a 12 year old?" May not morally be just. But lawfully, is just.
It really doesn't matter what the person in question thought they were doing. It matters what they were doing.
Am a subscriber to this guy, support the work because he tends to move these moments into busting CP, which is a provable offense. But the entrapment at best and (pun unintended) role-playing at worst isn't a crime and really shouldn't be treated as such.
"mens rea"
You are right, they aren't legally guilty.
But are morally, and the WOULD have done it had they been given the opportunity. Therefore no tears shed and public shaming is the correct punishment.
You cannot legislate morality, though.
Every single law on the books is a declaration of morality. A lot of it is incorrect morality but it is a morality nonetheless.
"cant legislate morality" is liberal nonsense meant to discredit anyone who speaks out against degeneracy.
Morally. Would we rob a victimless Fed sponsored bank if we had the opportunity? Of course. We are morally obligated to do so even.
This does, in fact. Make us robbers, just pulled from the opportunity. So. We should all be held as if we are the average jogger breaking into houses and beating people in their sleep for 34.00 and cheap jewelry?
What we would do if given the opportunity is far separated from what we do do. A long list of enemies to us would have a long list of very bad things happening to them if we had the opportunity. Should we be treated as if we have executed those actions?
I'm not arguing in abstraction. I'm saying this particular guy would have boned a minor had he been given the opportunity. I'm also saying the world is better off without him in it.
Just like Trump and Kavenaugh and every other #MeToo victim should be instantly put to death?
Just because someone said so. Not a victim. Just someone who said it for whatever abstract reason? This guy was entrapped for clicks, not busted talking to minors. Not caught in the act of being a pedophile.
Shoot your local pedophile. But that isn't what is happening here. This is glorified #metoo for clicks.
Even saying these things. I'm a subscriber and support several of these creators. Especially this one because of his focus on drawing out confessions of actual crimes. Getting them to admit to the CP is key for Alex and that's a plus.
The chat itself proves and means almost nothing, however. Talking to an adult pretending to be something else isn't and shouldn't ever be considered a crime.