I knew I liked them for a reason other than they fit a criteria of women I'd like to date, they get attacked from both right and left like the gamers, men and autists..
Going on from this video from Dev, there seems to a weird attack on them from the more 'manosphere' right where they are saying it's gay to like tomboys (because it's emasculating going out with a woman that works out or likes to help in men roles)
This is weird as on the flip side we have the very known left angle where they basically see tomboys and to a degree femboys as not fully transed and we need to cut their tits off to make them men
Both sides are equally retarded..
It's weird as on the one side, I think they're attacked by the left because tomboys prefer the company of men beyond a purely sexual relationship so are more inclined to be on their side and on the right I'm guessing it's because they aren't the submissive trophy wives they're supposed to be??
It's a weird horseshoe, just let the tomboys hang out with men and quit trying to doll them up or maim them..
By hangs out with guys, I mean in a male dominated workspace or activity, she's not demanding it cater to her and is instead adjusting to the environment.
It's the difference between the tomboy in the video where she says she helps as much as she can but some things she isn't as capable as a woman compared to demanding practices change to cater to her.
The right have blinders on on some of this stuff for sure. They're overgeneralizing and missing the forest for the trees. Here's the thing: I wouldn't want every girl to be a tomboy. That would be obnoxious. So the tradcons or whoever are at least partially right on the matter, they just go about it wrong and try to force it on everyone. Part of what makes tomboys so beloved is that they're not the norm. The more "traditional" people (who, as you said, often can't even live up to their own ideals) need to leave the outliers alone if they're not harming anyone. They should keep clamping down on the actual degenerates (trannies, feminists, communists), and leave the tomboys be.
It really is weird. The left uses individualism as a wedge to drive collectivism. They claim to hate individualism, but also use the worst aspects of it to drive their collectivist nightmare.
I don't think I said that. In fact, we could use a few more tomboys.
It's funny, some of the "traditionalists" are so into gender roles they're horseshoeing. Similar to how leftists are utopianists who don't work in the framework of reality, the ideal trad world can't work because perfect is the enemy of good. They want shape it so everyone woman is feminine, when that doesn't really work given the state of modern women. You can't go from this to trad across the board, and I think "tomboy" would actually help fill in some of the gaps. As others have mentioned, one of the advantages of tomboys is they want to hang out with the guys, so they end up understanding men better than some more feminine women.
Totally agreed. They'll never be as accountable as men, but it would certainly be a good thing to bring some accountability back to women. And some of that does take the shape of less "feminine" things like hard work and understanding men.
It's amazing how crucial this stuff is, and it's a big part of the problem. Entitled generations are raising entitled children, and a lot of people are just generally being shit parents now. Honestly, wish I'd had a bit more of that growing up
Very true, if it was ALL tomboys then it'd be annoying, they supposed to be more of an outlier like goths and emos which they've seem to disappear a lot more..
I'd agree but add that a lot of those trannies are tomboys, autists and other outliers that DIDN'T escape the indoctrination. The rates of detransistion and suicide prove that to be the case.
I dunno about that, almost all the lefties I meet are hiveminded drones, they're the least individualist individuals I know.
It's just part of the script to put on a thin veneer of hivemind approved quirkiness or degeneracy to let other hive members quickly identify each other.
Fair enough, my first instinct is to put the truth in the main text and explain their mistaken delusions in parentheses so I initially read that as if they had some concern with actual individualism as well as being narcissistic assholes.
tomboys are females that act masculine, who know and accept that they are females and have no problem with it. tomboys are not troons, and tomboys are not men, so anyone who says you're gay for liking a tomboy is a retard.
The faggots obsessed with pigeonholing every single person into a collective group identity and set of stereotypes are trash. Regardless of which side they claim to be a part of, they are leftists. Half the modern "manosphere" shit or more is manipulated, astroturfed garbage, like Tate popping up out of nowhere. He was obviously inserted as a political weapon - a degenerate pornographer and pimp is not something that was chosen to represent masculinity by decent humans.
It's a shame, as I think the role the "manosphere" should play is very, very important. But, yeah, a lot of it is absolute shit, psyops, grifters, or some combination thereof. It's either edgy appeals to young people who don't know better, actual crazy sexism, or my least favorite, outright defeatism. I know categorically modern women kind of suck. But these people preaching that there are no good women and we should all give up also suck.
The other thing I've complained about before is, it's just so one-note. Every figure in the manosphere has their own particular angle, and will stick to it. They take one particular small slice of sexual dynamics and run it into the ground. Think women are shit? Here's a thousand videos on women being shit. Think men shouldn't get involved with women at all? Here's a thousand videos telling men not to date.
For whatever reason - and maybe it is actual fed/NGO intervention - the "manosphere" fell super hard to the grifters; much harder than some of the other similar counterculture movements did.
So Dev is blaming the behavior of the left on the right again, just like how he claims the "religious right" tried to go after violent games in the 90s when it was actually Hillary Clinton, Tipper Gore, and Joe Lieberman.
Anyone on the right who joined in on this is an extreme outlier. Almost every single one has been saying that Hannah is hot as hell and that she is wife material. Picking an outlier and blaming the group is the exact same shit that game journalists did to dismiss GG1.0.
No unlike most of his other takes (especially any on the bureaucracy) he's more right on this. He mentioned it that the group that supported the tradthot were a minority mostly getting ratio'd by everyone else.
I think a key takeaway we have from this and the recent Daily Wire crap is while we have the known problem of the left being degenerate monsters, we also have the problem of some on the right, especially on the establishment and grifter side, being just as much problem under the veneer of being 'enlightened'.
Okay but if the "tomboy" has a massive collection of pokemon merchandise, she's just autistic not a tomboy.
Doesn't matter to the left as autists and tomboys are on the primary target list to trans.
And if she's more interested in her hobby than looking pretty, probably get attacked by this side of the right too.
Me she's definitely on the friends list if she has all original 151 pokemon cards in her collection..
If she can name 90% of the original she's more than on my friends list. Shared interests are rather important, I still love old pokemon.
And you are absolutely correct. Autistic girls will behave more like boys do, they will try to trans them and any parent who is not watching like a hawk will have to deal with the consequences.
If I was to go full tin foil hat, I have a deep suspicion that A LOT of the trans campaign is an attempt to remove as many of the groups that would naturally fit in with more men more.
Tomboys, autists, feminine/submissive guys etc, it's just that in their rush to do this they let the door open to predators that saw and opportunity to use it to infiltrate the once locked away female only spaces in a case of ironic karma.
Depends...does the tomboyness go beyond just the Pokemon? Because you can be both autistic and still a legitimate tomboy. If her only claim to the title is her Pokemon collection...yeah, not a tomboy. I knew some girls like that, back in the day. The 'I'm so geeky' types. Anime fans who actually identify with the "tsundere" are scary and should probably be avoided.
I know a worse type, the fan girls like the BTS types.
They are LEGITIMATELY yandere types, avoid unless you can sleep with one eye open for all of eternity..
Oh, man. Thankfully I've never met this type IRL, but from everything I've heard they're scary as shit.
Fandom in general consolidates and concentrates the worst aspects of some people, and you end up with actual psychos.
They send poison to their idols when it is found out they have a GF. If I were to find a girl like that that is obsessed with such a band that would be a huge red flag and I would have to probe to find out. Some of them are butt fuck insane and should be avoided at all cost.
It’s funny that most of these arguments are from political grifters. They know the belt tightening will kill them and they are just fighting for eyes by having bouts of verbal diarrhea.
As an American Southerner, tomboys here meant you were outside for more than half your day (and it was a name of endearment.) I didn’t even know some people saved it for girls until my early 20s. I also assumed that people liked what they liked as I knew girls that liked college football and hunting (and men who hated both.) I feel all this shit throwing is just a distract from the ongoing work economic crisis that all the world’s governments have put us in to.
Re applying my tin hat, I feel that some of these women grifters are switching from onlythots to try and claim trophy wife status because of looks and 'submissive' wife and women like Hannah show how shallow they are.
It won't work for most of them, not just because dating sites, courts and HR have left men jaded as fuck but also because some of these women have body counts higher than what most people earn in a day!
From what I saw in the video, Hannah is also like, several points on the scale more attractive than Samira, or any of the "examples" she presented to "support" her case, lol.
Which... Seems to be backed up by most of the (non-bot) responses she got, and the poll result.
Like, fuck, at least Hannah looks like a real woman, unlike plastic-nose over there.
Yuck (re Samira).
It is as if being active outside causes you to be healthier and prettier than going the lazy route and injecting your body with foreign shit.
Just when I was starting to think the "Lebanese thot vs. Hannah Barron" war on Twitter was an astroturf. Nah, it probably still is. Just an excuse for a bunch of righties to call one of the hottest women on IG hot again and act like they're standing up for truth and justice.
The natural world is abundant with variety. This creates problems for those who wish to standardize things to facilitate automation. Thus, those who can't easily be clearly defined and categorized are treated with hostility.
(Just spitballing ideas) Right-wingers might not like tomboys because
I clarified earlier on 1 when I said hanging around guys and believe that also helped with 2 and 3 in that they were adapting to the space than demanding it cater to her.
But 4, I get people have preferences but are small boobs that much of a factor.
Other than love obviously (still a romantic, I chose Tali in Mass effect for a reason), I only have 3 requirements where she just needs to meet one to be a partner given the current situation:
Be able to hold you own
Be able to run as fast as me
Be light enough to carry
...I really be predicting shit hitting the fan so unless I can carry you to run the fuck away or you have good gun skills, better hit the gym and work on that cardio.
In a sane environment, I would liken male preference for boobs to female preference for height. Sure I would appreciate it, but it would never stop me from going after a girl.
Personally, they just don't understand us tomboy enjoyers want women with minimal emotional stress and who are more likely to share our interests on a non-opportunistic empathetic level.
But more towards your point, the attack from both sides really is rooted in sex (mostly because of the progressives pushing things too far). It's rather simple:
Lefties -> We need more sexual degenerates and sterile feminists, tomboys are troons
Righties -> We need women to be strictly feminine, not enforcing gender roles has infected everyone with teh ghey
That southern girl is not in any way a "tomboy." She has long hair, wears makeup in every video, and flaunts her body. A tomboy is a girl who dresses like a man and hides her femininity, like the character Watts from Some Kind of Wonderful.
That chick is just doing the standard online attention whore bit of "do something men do while wearing less clothing to get famous."
I feel bad for anyone who didn’t grow up in a rural school district. Your dating pool is like, 80% tomboys.
I honestly think (and this applies outside the US, too) that if you get away from the cities and the suburbs, you will largely find what OBrien is talking about.
Not always, but often. Unfortunately where I'm from that also tends to bring with it high levels of single-motherhood, teenage pregnancies and/or Aboriginals (who, no offence to them, are mostly not my "type"), but still...
It was the same in Sweden, Denmark and France, I found (at least in my experience).
Not all tomboys are the same.
The left hates feminine tomboys. The right hates masculine tomboys.
That's the main difference in a nutshell.
See, feminine tomboys are a thorn in the side of leftists because feminine tomboys demonstrate a woman can have similar functions in society to a man without losing any of her core essence that makes her a woman. She doesn't need to transition genders or anything and she can be happy and a woman and still like stuff typically attributed to men.
Masculine tomboys are a problem to the right because these women are basically just less effective men. They've destroyed all of what made them different from men (their femininity) while trying to become like men (have same roles/functions in society) but actually aren't as effective at anything in the end compared to actual men.
The left is obviously wrong. The right is kind of right. I say kind of because some people on the right don't distinguish between feminine and masculine tomboys but just label all tomboys as masculine, which is false. There's tomboys which have more feminine essence to their personality than many ditsy barbie girly girls who've rejected every male-centric "hobby or role". Some of these girls have extremely masculine essences.
At the end of the day this is the part all "sides" are noticing and where the battle lies. Feminine women are good. Masculine women are not. Femininity and masculinity is not directly based on likes, dislikes, hobbies, jobs, makeup, clothes, etc... but it can sometimes be correlated. In the end, a person's femininity and masculinity is something that's part of their core personality that comes out in the essence of their being when they engage with the rest of the world. Feminine women are generally good. Masculine women are generally not. I say generally here because there's exceptions. The reason masculine women are generally not good is because it's rare for a woman's actual spirit to be masculine so when she tries to be masculine she goes against her spirit which then materializes in the real world as mental health issues and body issues generally like anxiety/depression and unhappiness and bitterness etc... The more women embrace their feminine core, the happier they become.
You have picked up on some truths though. Some men's dislike for tomboys is bitterness and frustration over their own lack of hot submissive wife so they see these tomboys as wasted potential in a way. There's truth to what they're talking about but they sometimes miss the whole truth because they're hurt and upset at their own lack of women. Like not all female need to or even should fit some narrow objective mould of some ideal woman. There's always variation. A girl can like shooting guns, it doesn't make her any less of a woman than a girl who doesn't like shooting guns. It's mostly irrelevant. Everything else matters more.
Manosphere guys who go that far are just gay guys lying to themselves. The catfish girl who triggered this round of discourse is an absolute 10/10 knockout under any possible set of criteria that lead to you wanting to have sex with women.
My sister is into videogames, cars, and running marathons. Her dating pool gets annoyed she is better than them. Then they think she must be a man.
Similarly, most of the (straight) women I know who play sports at some sort of rep level seem to have this problem. Some of them have used that as their "impetus" to start dating other women (lol), but for the rest... Yeah that just leaves more for me. Which I'm not complaining about in the slightest.
I saw this in my very lefty highschool and artsy life. Those who don't follow the norm think they must be gay or have some mental illness to explain it.